Franklin to UCLA as HC; Manny Diaz promoted to PSU HC; Joe Moorhead to PSU as OC!
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The rumor's going round that UCLA will likely fire him.
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Because his recruits stole Colorado stuff?
Doubtful UCLA would pay Franklin's going rate. They kinda don't give too much of a sh*t about football. I don't think it's as attractive to top talent in state like USC is. Campus is beautiful, stadium is old but Pasadena is awesome, co-eds are brainy and beautiful. I thought Kelly would do pretty well there but he's fairly expendable with an $8.6mm buyout. He's been there since 2017, and his recruiting is as follows:
Per Rivals:
2018 - 19th
2019 - 24th
2020 - 37th
2021 - 33rd
2022 - 64th
2023 - 55th
Not gonna cut it.
Per Rivals:
2018 - 19th
2019 - 24th
2020 - 37th
2021 - 33rd
2022 - 64th
2023 - 55th
Not gonna cut it.
Don’t need to plot a graph to detect a trend on this data . Ouch .
A dream come true!
If true it would be the best ever early Christmas gift.
Horrible plan. Feel free to try again.
Sorry!
Sorry!
Why would UCLA recruits be going into the the visiting locker room anyway? What is wrong with these kids?
UCLA would die for a few 10-2 seasons. CJF a perfect fit! And it would solve our $64M problem.
A boy can dream, can’t he?
A boy can dream, can’t he?
Your comment about "die for a few 10-2 seasons" is interesting.
CJF has been here for 9 full seasons (currently on 10th). He has 4 seasons with 11 wins. (And ostensibly, going for the 5th, but we can wait on that). I will use 11 rather than 10 as that is what the final records state.
In the nine full seasons prior to CJF's arrival, PSU had 3-11 win seasons. Granted, the sanctions were a major issue on the 2 years under O'Brien and I don't think you can look at those two seasons with the same lens as the seasons before.
So, if you take those two years out of the equation and push back the nine year time frame by two more years, you still only have 3-11 win seasons.
Again, ignoring the two years under O'Brien, BUT including the first two years under CJF, when he was still dealing with the remnants of the sanctions - PSU won 71 games in the nine full years before the sanctions and have won 78 games under CJF in the same timeframe.
Since you seem to be concerned about 10-2 seasons - I think PSU is giving you something to live for.
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Your comment about " die for a few 10-2 seasons" is interesting.
CJF has been here for 9 full seasons (currently on 10th). He has 4 seasons with 11 wins. (And ostensibly, going for the 5th, but we can wait on that). I will use 11 rather than 10 as that is what the final records state.
In the nine full seasons prior to CJF's arrival, PSU had 3-11 win seasons. Granted, the sanctions were a major issue on the 2 years under O'Brien and I don't think you can look at those two seasons with the same lens as the seasons before.
So, if you take those two years out of the equation and push back the nine year time frame by two more years, you still only have 3-11 win seasons.
Again, ignoring the two years under O'Brien, BUT including the first two years under CJF. when he was still dealing with the remnants of the sanctions - PSU won 71 games in the nine full years before the sanctions and have won 78 games under CJF in the same timeframe.
Since you seem to be concerned about 10-2 seasons - I think PSU is giving you something to live for.
Sanctions impacted recruiting so it’s not just two years. I’d say four. Bottom line is we mostly beat the teams we should and lose to those better than us. I do not think Franklin is the only coach capable of that at PSU.
If the sanctions impacted four years, (and I believe you to be correct on that), then CJF's wins in the same time span should be considered even more impressive.
You are correct that CJF is not the only coach capable of losing to teams better than PSU. Looking at the previous coaches, (and again not including O'Brien) and the two programs that have recently been considered better than PSU - Ohio State and Michigan:
Joe was 6-12 against Ohio State. Rip Engle was 3-0 (and I believe that was before Woody). Bob Hollenback was 1-0. Tom Bradley (interim) is 1-0. Rip was the only coach who coached more than one game against OSU that had a winning record.
Against Michigan, Joe was 6-10. Including 9 straight losses.
But, the goal of the OP (and fans) is to find a coach who will start defeating these two programs on a semi-regular (or regular) basis. So, considering PSU has not had a history of being able to beat these programs, who out there is the magic elixir that will suddenly come in here and do it, when no other coach has shown a capacity to do so?
Joe could elevate his team to win when they weren’t favored. Again - won two B1G championships from 2005 - 2011 and did so with far inferior talent (average recruiting ranking of somewhere in the mid-20’s or worse). Franklin’s roster this year is better than Michigan’s - that according to the Bluechip Roster Ratio and experts on this site who said on the whole, Penn State is more talented on offense and defense than Michigan. The issues are player development, game plan, play calling, roster - those are coaching issues. Execution is lacking too but coaches aren’t doing any favors with scheme/playcalling. So, you’re wrong in your assertion that no other coach has shown a capacity to do so - Joe did fairly well given the massive disparity in talent. Better than Franklin in the six years I mentioned. Quit setting expectations on the past when we barely made an effort to recruit.
How am I setting expectations of the past? All I did was report the wins and losses.
I am asking you not to evaluate what CJF did this year - I am asking you who is the magic elixir that will routinely beat Ohio State and Michigan, when no one else has been able to do it?
The answer is "not Franklin." That raises the question should PSU stick with him or go in search of the "magic elixir?" I have no answer for that
OK - not Franklin. And, based on history, no one else either. So, if no one has been able to do it, what would be the logical next step in the evaluation process as to why?
The answer is "Nobody" is beating them consistently right now.
And.....that might be the only correct answer at this point........
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I don't know if there is a coach out there who, if hired by PSU, would regularly (my definition is circa .500) beat OSU and Michigan. History does not determine that.
No, history does not determine the future. However, history may tell us about the bigger picture of why it has not happened on a regular basis.
Someone with more time and energy than me can do the research - I would love to read it, however.
Edit: And for the record, I am not sure if there is any other program or coach in the conference that can/will regularly beat OSU and Michigan - by the definition you provided.
MSU is 8-6 vs. Michigan since 2010. They are a train wreck right now but never recruit to our level. Ohio State is a unicorn and should be treated as such. This was the year to beat Michigan and we couldn't - even with out their HC and knowing they were not going to attempt a pass against our defense. Time to try something new.
So the year to beat UM was the year they have been in the top 3 all year and their best team in a long time? How has MSU done the last 2 years? How about any other B1G team the last 2 years? I get the frustration as PSU is knocking on the door, but this opinion as fact that it’s just a new HC is nothing more than a guess. It’s not right or wrong, just a guess which is fine. There are a ton of crappy coaches out there in the SEC and B1G....except for 2 in each. That has to be it.
Researching that question is pointless. Too many factors for there to be a definitive answer. Te question remains: does PSU make an attempt to do it, or do they just concede the field?
And.....that might be the only correct answer at this point........
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But it's not.
The field....take any HC but this one. It's easy to take the field knowing it's not happening.
Great point. Not sure why you picked 2010 to start, but great point.
Conversely, MSU is 3-10 against OSU in the same time span.
Top three is meaningless given the competition they've played. We would have been undefeated too had we not played OSU before them. No excuses for losing to Michigan this year and OSU was there for the taking with a competent offense. Could be that Yurcich is just a disaster, but I don't believe that to be the case. Everyone sees the problem at Penn State. MSU the last two years has very obvious issues, but Dantonio was F*CKING 8-5 VS. MICHIGAN from 2007 to 2019. You can look up their recruiting class rankings vs. Penn State's over that time period and compare our record vs. Michigan. But you know you don't need to do that. Anyways.
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