Franklin to UCLA as HC; Manny Diaz promoted to PSU HC; Joe Moorhead to PSU as OC!
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I already dismissed OSU as a 50/50 game. Noting we have the same or better talent than Michigan and they've managed to beat OSU two years in a row.
Snark. This magic silver bullet has a TON of programs looking for it around the nation. Then again most aren’t firing a HC who is winning pretty consistently, never mind the contract nightmare. It’s just people venting TBH. Take the field, cherry pick 2 games or certain times or years and you can say....you see in this equation I can make my point. You just need to disregard the wins and only focus on 2 games a year....that is what makes a good coach.
Snark or serious?
But in reality, who knows if he's still "got it"....been away from the game for a bit and ain't young anymore
Frustration amongst fan bases is relative. Sure, most would love to win 11 games and go to a NY6 Bowl. We've *been* doing that.
If he gets back into coaching he will recruit like crazy. He has what - three NC rings and is 2-2 vs. Nick Saban? He will kill anywhere he goes.
FWIW, Joe Tiller was undefeated vs. Nick Saban (4-0).
Yeah, I get it. The venting is fully understood. The belief that there is someone out there who is going to be the silver bullet makes me SMH.
Silver Bullet? How about losing without looking like a clown show? Not a lot to ask. This is the national perspective on the program. Beat who you should (and barely at that in some instances) and lose to those perceived to be better than you (ESPN had PSU as the favorite to beat Michigan this year FWIW). Not just losing against Michigan and OSU but doing so in embarrassing fashion. *This* was the year until it was obvious it wasn't. Maybe it was Yurcich. Good news is we have 8 more years of data to look forward to.
You know, looking at CJF's post game press conference, and the Monday and Wed media confabs, I am of the opinion that "looking like a clown show" was the primary factor that led to MY's dismissal. For both OSU and Michy.
ESPN had Michigan/PSU at 50/50 in what I saw just before the game.
We will see what the future holds. Hopefully in the future, the downfield receivers can get some separation - that might help.
I know...the struggle is real here. I'm still not sure who this magic HC is that people have in mind who will come for a job that clearly isn't available, but I can pretend to be upset over it as I literally have zero say in it other than....he cannot get over that final hump which is true currently. Until he does, that will remain his knock. So many teams chase that next HC and it becomes a was cycle of medicrity for decades in some cases. USC, Texas, FSU, UF, Aub, A&M, Neb, Ole Miss, UT.....and how many of those schools have 2 top 4 teams in their division? I'm not sure why you are so bothered that not everyone is calling for a change that we know cannot happen, but clearly we are being irrational...and I apologize for that.
Not bothered by something that is obviously not going to happen, but curious as to why there is still a vocal minority sentiment to the contrary. I know he's not going anywhere and that nothing I say or do here will change that. I am not rooting for him to fail; doing so means Penn State fails. Right now I'd like to see a great hire at OC and go from there. But I have seen enough of Franklin to know we probably wouldn't do worse, and if so, might at least be exciting to watch. Not fun to see these highly ranked recruiting classes (on par or better than Michigan) flop when it matters. That's not all CJF's fault, but how does an entire room stink so bad (WRs) with half of it being 4*? So, don't want a silver bullet - just a different bullet.
Here is the thing with recruit rankings, they are a very GOOD loose guide to how things will shake out. tOSU, Bama, and UGa CONSISTENTLY put up top 5 classes. The one year in recent years where tOSU did not, they only had 17 commits. That doesn't mean these teams cannot lose to anyone along the way and it doesn't mean teams that are 5-15 consistently cannot catch a break and outperform their rankings. We did that in 2016, but if we are talking about consistency, revenue earned and spent.....PSU is right where their money is currently.
Teams can over perform their recruit rankings and some underperform. USC, Auburn, A&M, and Texas up until this year after 2 decades of mediocrity all had great resources and decent recruiting....but they weren't getting it done consistently. Hell I doubt most of those teams have had a run of 4 NYD bowl in 7 years anytime recently. UM underperformed for the last 2 decades prior to this one and started to cheat to take that next step as well as invest more. There isn't some magic equation other than get top 5 classes EVERY year....which isn't going to happen IMO at PSU. PSU has gotten better, but they happen to be in a division where they are facing 2 top 5 teams....and that will not carry on year after year. Hell PSU could take a big step back next year or even lose this weekend. Nothing is a given, but I try to look at the entire picture as well.
LSU, Michigan, TCU, Washington, Oklahoma, and Georgia made coaching changes since Penn State hired Franklin and got to the CFP. Convenient of you to ignore them. Texas and FSU, other teams with new coaches, are more highly rated than PSU, with FSU a good candidate for the CFP this year, and Texas having a shot. Ole Miss and Tennessee recently made changes and are ranked in the top 20 and very competitive. Even Liberty and Tulane are ranked with new coaches.
After ten years of the same old same old I can only hope someone like A&M, UCLA, Florida, South Carolina, or Arkansas come calling for Franklin.
"Magic HC that people have in mind?" There are twenty or more coaches that people name who could come into the Penn State situation and win just less than 63% of their B1G games, not win against a top ten team since 2017, and beat the bottom feeders to fatten up their resume. What a joke that your ilk think it would be so hard to replace Bottom Feeder.
For an $8.5 million salary, before bonuses, tens of millions in NIL and facilities donations to the athletic program, and purchases of expensive tickets and merch, the Penn State fan base DESERVES MORE for what they pay. You have to be a fool to think we do not deserve the best results for the tremendous financial commitment. Only the minority of Franklin fan boys think he should not be accountable for his results, good and bad. WE DESERVE MORE!
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Name one of those schools who fired a HC who was coming off of a top 10 finish and 11 W's. 4 NYD bowl game wins in 7 years. I'm just asking for some reality here....this should be a long list...go ahead. You can talk about firing him, but that isn't going to happen. I'm not sure you are picking up on that, but it's not occurring. Get mad and fuss all you want to...maybe root for RU and MSU the next 2 weeks if you want that momentum there....,it's clearly not an option currently. Santa wasn't real either...sorry...not sure what to tell you other than it's not going to occur...even more so if he does get 10 W's again. Well.....I could be wrong there, I'm sure you have the people ready to go for that buyout...you'll be the hero. Now go get it done. Midnighter is a level headed dude....you're a nightmare....so don't be upset when I don't respond anymore to your fantasies.
How about that losing season three years ago? That .500 regular season two years ago? 0-6 the last three years against the only two teams in the conference that matter? Are we any closer to the B1G championship and a CFP appearance than we were in 2016? I think not.
I know that Bottom Feeder only goes with a program collapse leading to loss of donations and income, or if someone comes and grabs him. I have posted that many, many, times.
Asking for reality? You have a ten year record to look at. Bottom Feeder has a miserable record against ranked teams. Worse than Jimbo Fisher!
Your constant defense of this bottom feeding, scapegoating, horrid gameday coach, is your reality.
I don't want to ever accede to the idea that we cannot be on the same level as tOSU and scUM. Anyone who does is a loser. We have all the resources we need to be on the same level. Now, I do get that we will lose some games to the Big 2, but what I cannot accept is that while we lose to them (4-16 over last 10 years) our HC makes bonehead decisions like when to go for 2 or not, and when to go for it on 4th down or punt. I don't get how a guy paid $8M annually is not an expert on field position, momentum, crowd enthusiasm, student section advantage, feel for the game, in-game strategy changes, influencing the referees, etc. Sure, JoePa lost to them too, but he almost never did while getting outcoached.
If we have all of the same resources, how come they spend 10's of millions more a year? Don't forget JF has been also fighting that fight too since he arrived which is good for the program whether he is here or not. OB said the same exact thing when he was here, but they were just making excuses. Joe had 4 losing seasons in 5 years too....and he had more talent than many of those teams in that run.....and poof he won it again in 05 after he really should have been fired the year prior. That will never happen again. Again...anyone can cherry pick as it's easy to do.
It is the same thing over and over and over again with you Franklin fan boys.
The same tired old defenses.
"Name me someone who could do as well?" - You are given a couple dozen names and then just ignore them and ask the question again.
"Look 10-2 seasons!" You ignore the losing season and the mediocre seasons. No mention of the horrid record against ranked opponents. No mention of the less than 63% W/L record against B1G teams.
"See what happened to Nebraska." 6-8 other teams with new coaches in recent years and great results are brought up, and you ignore them.
"We deserve better? Laugh!" - For $8.5 million, before bonuses, and hundreds of millions put up by fans you do not think we deserve better?
"Why complain? Just be fans." - Then you go and adjust the kick me signs you wear. Just ignore the problem and it will go away? We can hope. I prefer pointing out the failures and turning the heat up on Bottom Feeder. He either improves, feels the heat, or runs away to another team with more money than sense (the most likely outcome in my view).
"We are so close to where we want to be." - Like Charlie Brown looking to kick that football Lucy is holding. We went from victories over Michigan and close losses against tOSU back in 2017, to being humiliated with all hopes gone this year.
Because they have it to spend?
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I missed these names - could you please list them for me again? I will make sure to write them down so I have them for the future.
Thanks.
Huhhhh, but we are equal.... a poster said so online...it's apples to apples. That is fake news and we know what to do when we don't like something printed....we say it's fake and ignore it.Because they have it to spend?
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Did you ever the list of two dozen coaches he mentioned? I did a quck search and cannot locate that list.
Don’t you fret. Dave has a great list ready for a job that isn’t available. Kyle Shanaham, Belichick, Sean Payton, and a talking unicorn are all coming to coach in Fantasy land.Did you ever the list of two dozen coaches he mentioned? I did a quck search and cannot locate that list.
Because they have it to spend?
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This is useful; how and why is OSU #1? Above Texas even. What expenses are covered here? Athletic department salaries? Scholarships? Travel? Coaching salaries? All of the above? We're behind both OSU and Michigan, but still top ten. They make more money, but also have significantly more expenses. If anything this is illustrative of the need to spend more IMO. Even more so when you consider Penn State has about 30 scholarship sports and Alabama has half that.
I wasn't trying to be snarky (which is rare), but if there is some sort of list I swear I have not seen it.
I would love to hear whom people think would come here and be able to defeat OSU and Michigan on a regular (which is a .500 clip) basis. If possible I would also like to know why they have not been approached already and are in place.
Yes, it is quite useful. Like a brothel for a group of sailor on shore leave after a year at sea.
I am not sure if OSU and the other schools get any funds from the University. If I recall (and Barry can clarify for me), PSU's athletic department is self funded - so not much from the general budget. I would imagine the expenses are what you would expect - salaries, travel, meals, etc.
On a related note, I had spoken to a guy I know who is big Villanova booster/alum - he indicated that when 'Nova played here a couple of years ago, they chose PSU over another school further away because their travel costs (busses vs. planes) is significantly less. PSU offered less than the other school, but because they would spend less, obviously they would pocket more. I found that interesting in their decision making process.
There isn't a list because no one really knows. The 'sure fire' guys we can't get - Meyer being one of them. Would you have hired Nick Saban to LSU based on his average performance at MSU? How about Tomlin to the Steelers? He was a DB coach in Minnesota. How about Kirby Smart to Georgia, given he was never a HC anywhere before? Dantonio had more success at MSU than Saban. Part of it is it's a guessing game; the most successful guys are successful within the first four-five years. It's why Michigan didn't sit around and wait to see if Hoke or Rodriguez would pay off. The good news for Franklin is he gets a much longer timeline than most because PSU isn't in a position to buy him out, and no one is going to hire him away. So, maybe he gets there. We'll find out together.
Ok but I was told there are two dozen guys. So someone is lying to me? Or wishful projecting?
There could be 100 - no one knows. Let's deal with what we *do* know - Franklin isn't the guy; at least not after 10 years and 22 coaching changes (and an average recruiting ranking of about 14).
Maybe CJF isn't the guy. But, in all honesty, I am not sure anyone else is either.
The devil you know vs. the devil you don't?
OSU and Michigan account for 17% of the schedule and he is responsible for that. The HC also has responsbilities beyond just those two games.
From the perspective of a hiring/firing manager, do you make a decision - and a multi-million dollar one at that - based on 17% of an annual football schedule; a percentage of obligations that decrease when you add in all the other tasks the football coach must deal with on a yearly basis?
Edit - and if you do, wouldn't you have to guarantee that your new coach addresses the 17% that the current guy has failed to address and everything else that the position requires? From the perspective of a hiring/firing manager, that is actually a very daunting consideration.
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All of the above.
OSU's athletic department receives no money from the school's general fund. Some schools do, and in some cases, like Rutgers, the amount is considerable. Some programs, like Alabama's, actually contribute money to the general fund of their school.
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