They’re Notre Dame. Too much history and $ to keep them out. They’ll find some sort of handhold and latch on.
Hmmm....
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There has to be some sort of history about this, a perspective on academic expectations for college football players over the decades. There has to be something out there.
Joe Namath was all set to go to Maryland but he didn’t hit the test scores he needed. Would that happen today? I think no way.
I’d love to read something about how the early superstars, Nevers, Grange, Gipp, got paid.
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There is plenty out there - for people willing to see it. One can just start right at home, with PSU - or just about any other big $$ program.
One year? Helluva' trend.
I'll give you a hand. College football viewership numbers in 2023 were the best they were since 2019. Whoopee!
BTW, I'm not interested in the NFL. You and others might be, but I'm not.
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That means it’s more popular with all these changes, not less. People will never stop watching it no matter what changes they make.
Which means that it was less popular in 2022, 2021 and 2020. than it was in 2019. Maybe you'd like to find numbers that stretch further back. Gonna guess you wouldn't.
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I don’t care if it’s getting more popular like I don’t care if you buy msg Billy Joel tix. I’m sad the tradition is over
So you’re saying Covid didn’t have an impact on college football viewership? Yeah, keep trying.
Sure it did. And if you look back further, you'll see the effect and the decline that had nothing to do with it. But stick with your one year analysis on a depressed base.
And before 2019? There is a reason that the networks cite that year, if you can read between the lines.
As college athletics morph into minor league professional sports with the eventual dropping of academic requirements...no longer will the school loyalty be as large as it is today...you won't have PSU students competing against other schools....but rather players bought to represent the school same as the NFL teams representing a town. I do believe there will be a decline in game attendence....not sure how many people will drop $1000/weekend game without the school/alumni tradition/connection.
NCAA Football attendance has been dropping for 20 years - an occasional blip up in a given year, but definitely a downward trend. This story is a year or so old - but the trends are long term (FWIW, IIRC, 2023 was an "up" year from the year before - but those have been infrequent) College football attendance declines for seventh straight season to lowest average since 1981 - CBSSports.com
TV watching is a much more nebulous thing to define - 1) the way the figures are calculated has changed over the years (probably inevitable w streaming, mini-networks, etc) and 2) with the change in number of slots (ie, wasn't that long ago that games were on Saturday - now its Saturday, Thursday, Friday, and even mid week) and 3) the near death of traditional over the air - and even some cable - networks (and the need for live programming vav advertising)
The one certainty is that times are changing. Where they end up? Who knows?
Don’t ask me.If PSU spent $700 MM and no one was there to hear it, would it make a sound?
It's a good question that many don't even want to think about. I often hear or read that college sports are changing and "fans will have to accept that fact." In many cases, the underlying implication is that fans may not like the changes, but they will have to accept them and continue to respond as they always have. College football and college sports in general are a product, and fans are customers. Customers may have to accept the reality that a product changed, but they don't have to keep buying the product if they don't like the new version. History is filled with examples of vendors who decided their customers would always be their customers no matter what they did to the product only find out they were wrong. Will fans continue to vigorously support "college" football were the only connection to the team and the school is ownership? I guess we will find out.
This is exactly why i have reached a pause on my feelings to renovate the Beav....700 million dollars....and i would give odds it will be more....to a sport that has questionable longevity. Maybe we need to consult a tarot card reader?If PSU spent $700 MM and no one was there to hear it, would it make a sound?
Sheriff's sales can get quite noisy.If PSU spent $700 MM and no one was there to hear it, would it make a sound?
I picture a dilapidated Beaver Stadium 50 years from now. On campus tours, prospective students and their parents would be told, “And this is where Penn State played “football” back in the old days until its demise due to greed.”
Of course, that could be the entire campus in 50 years (or even sooner).
And you keep thinking the whole country is going to stop watching because everyone thinks like you do. They’ve chased the dollar with the NCAA basketball tournament and it’s still going strong. College football is too big to fail.
because it has no real connection to the college experience, any more than pro football does
so why watch an inferior product when we have the NFL?
Totally stop watching probably not....however the casual fans will find other interests since there is no longer "My School" fan rational. That is the point your argument misses....the NCAA Tournament is "My School" vs "Your School"....remove the school affiliation and it now becomes a pickup tournament
Because it's entertainment and in the end that's all people want. As long as the college is shown in the jersey, people will tune in. As long as it's still called Penn State football, you will too.
Who said anything about removing school affiliation? I agree that would be detrimental.
I was thinking about this. There is some brand equity, but at some point the school has to benefit from the sports team that is using its name. If the two entities no longer ahare the smae values, would the school charge the team to license the name, how much? Would the team find value in the name?
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