Is it any surprise the Nose pickers in Michigan are cheaters? Currently under investigation by the NCAA illegally scouting

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Heard on the radio interesting take on Harbaugh.... Owner of the Las Vegas Raiders has always wanted Harbaugh and has a very good relationship with him. He fires the current coach McDaniels and GM this week making an opening. He starts courting Harbaugh. The NCAA is always slow to investigate this allows Harbaugh to take a run at the national championship before any sanctions hit. If he were to win the natty makes the scUM fans happy regardless of what sanctions come down. Harbaugh bolts for the NFL and probably gets a slap on the wrist penalty wise that Mark Davis is willing to accept to get the coach he has always wanted.
 

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Heard on the radio interesting take on Harbaugh.... Owner of the Las Vegas Raiders has always wanted Harbaugh and has a very good relationship with him. He fires the current coach McDaniels and GM this week making an opening. He starts courting Harbaugh. The NCAA is always slow to investigate this allows Harbaugh to take a run at the national championship before any sanctions hit. If he were to win the natty makes the scUM fans happy regardless of what sanctions come down. Harbaugh bolts for the NFL and probably gets a slap on the wrist penalty wise that Mark Davis is willing to accept to get the coach he has always wanted.

DC talk radio also throwing around Harbaugh's name as next HC (along with Bill Belicheck) for the Commanders...(the other scenario I've heard bantered about is drafting Shadeur Sanders and hiring Deion as HC). So yeah, @LionJim will be happy.
 
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DC talk radio also throwing around Harbaugh's name as next HC (along with Bill Belicheck) for the Commanders...(the other scenario I've heard bantered about is drafting Shadeur Sanders and hiring Deion as HC). So yeah, @LionJim will be happy.
Looks as if Rivera is on his way out. It’s time, this good man needs to move on. Deion isn’t a pro coach, nobody NFL is hiring him. Harbaugh? It’s not an outlandish hire. Magic Johnson is a partner in ownership and has been very vocal and very real about WFT shortcomings. I’m glad Magic is on Team WFT. No idea what Magic thinks about the WFT HC position.
 
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Looks as if Rivera is on his way out. It’s time, this good man needs to move on. Deion isn’t a pro coach, nobody NFL is hiring him. Harbaugh? It’s not an outlandish hire. Magic Johnson is a partner in ownership and has been very vocal and very real about WFT shortcomings. I’m glad Magic is on Team WFT. No idea what Magic thinks about the WFT HC position.
I was shocked that WFT got only a 3rd round pick for sending Chase Young to the 49ers. He wasn’t the best example in the WFT locker room, is what I’m reading.

The old Redskins teams were always high-character. It was a joy to experience their run, a privilege. I think the Eagles these days are similar high character. I had to laugh when someone compared AJ Brown to Terrell Owens. Brown is Owens without the bs, so much more valuable than Owens was. Anyway…
 

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I thought the beginning of this Ohio State podcast was interesting. There is a Michigan blog, where they do a review of the game, and one of the analytics they have is a section called rock paper scissors, and it basically analyses when one team or another has such a perfect play call, that the other really stood no chance. The OSU take on this, is that at a high level, these numbers should be about even.

Last year, Michigan was +18 against Penn State and +14 against OSU, meaning, there were that many plays where there was essentially no way the other teams call would be successful.


Seriously you have to be an absolute idiot to even post this. I don't even have enough time to shoot all the holes in this "analysis" that I could
 
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I was shocked that WFT got only a 3rd round pick for sending Chase Young to the 49ers. He wasn’t the best example in the WFT locker room, is what I’m reading.

A few things. He's a one-season rental, as he'll be a FA after this season. So unless a team can work out a contract in advance of a trade for such a player, their value is somewhat reduced just on their FA status. Young also has the cancer in the locker room issues you mentioned, plus he's had trouble staying healthy. On pure talent, a 3rd round pick seems like a steal for the 49ers, and a give-away for Washington. But when you factor in the aforementioned, it seems about right

The old Redskins teams were always high-character. It was a joy to experience their run, a privilege. I think the Eagles these days are similar high character. I had to laugh when someone compared AJ Brown to Terrell Owens. Brown is Owens without the bs, so much more valuable than Owens was. Anyway…

TO was an absolute stud as a WR. One of the best WRs to play in the NFL. AJ has been very good; just not at TO's level (IMHO). AJ has elevated his game this season, and if he maintains this level (or something close to it) for a few years, he will be, IMHO, in TO's level.

While AJ isn't without emotion and without a little drama, he is far more of a team player than TO ever was. TO's drama will always be an asterisk on his career. TO was a phenomenal player for the Eagles in the 2004 season. The fan base was solidly behind him, in part because of his performance and in part because he was on very good behavior (for him). Alas, after promising the Birds that he would not cause any problems, or attempt to renegotiate his contract, he did just that after the 2004 season. (It didn't help that he hired Drew Rosenhaus as his new agent, and his 7-year contract with the Birds was heavily back loaded.) And then TO, with his antics, pretty much severed his relationship with the team and the fan base. While injuries to a number of starters led to a losing record for the Birds in 2005, TO's antics were thought by many to be the main cause for the Birds doing poorly that season. (After a season of never-ending drama, the team basically suspended him for the rest of the season in early Nov.)
 
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Michigan cheated, period. They deserve to not play another game until it is figured out. How they found out is still interesting. There is a rumor that a MI staffer was being investigated for an online interaction with a minor. The interaction was a fake and the guys that tricked him confronted him. The video of the confrontation is out there. The implication I have heard was that the investigation into this was what brought the sign stealing to light.
 

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Seriously you have to be an absolute idiot to even post this. I don't even have enough time to shoot all the holes in this "analysis" that I could

I think the idiot is the Michigan troll who insists on posting on a Penn State website despite nobody here wanting them or caring what their biased opinion is. I can't imagine the boredom and sadness that drives one to constantly seek negative attention.
 

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I think the idiot is the Michigan troll who insists on posting on a Penn State website despite nobody here wanting them or caring what their biased opinion is. I can't imagine the boredom and sadness that drives one to constantly seek negative attention.

He doesn't have enough time to provide a thorough analysis. hehehe
 
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I can't wait to see this board burn to the ground next saturday around 4 PM. What a show thats going to be. Change your signs fellas. Change em

You're such an *******. You make your ****** fanbase somehow look worse. Maybe you're an osu troll. Who knows but you can all go to hell.
 
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I think the idiot is the Michigan troll who insists on posting on a Penn State website despite nobody here wanting them or caring what their biased opinion is. I can't imagine the boredom and sadness that drives one to constantly seek negative attention.
Be nice to wolvie, he's entertaining himself, most likely michnit or similar from the old site
 
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BTW, the B10 coaches meeting was a rollicking good time and word is something is coming BoogerEater's way. Most likely a suspension and the B10 working with the NCAA.

The B1G has to do something or this whole thing falls apart. Each AD stands to lose a lot of money if Michigan isn't hit with hard hitting sanctions. Do you want to financially contribute to a program that plays in a conference where the other programs are allowed to play with an unfair advantage over your program?
 
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And....to the guy who wore a Michigan hat and hoodie to the PSU/IU game last Saturday, and of course he sat directly in front of me....WTF! And the abuse he was taking as he walked up the steps to his seat...WHAT the hell were you thinking!
 
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BTW, the B10 coaches meeting was a rollicking good time and word is something is coming BoogerEater's way. Most likely a suspension and the B10 working with the NCAA.
I agree. I think jimmy (and both coordinators, hopefully) will be suspended today. I'm betting the Purdue coach practically demanded it on that conference call yesterday.
 
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I agree. I think jimmy (and both coordinators, hopefully) will be suspended today. I'm betting the Purdue coach practically demanded it on that conference call yesterday.
The university presidents and the trustees at the schools remaining on Michigan's schedule hold the right cards.
They could all agree not to play Michigan unless appropriate action is taken. I'm not a lawyer, but if I'm a university president I am instructing my legal team to research contracts, bylaws and appropriate constitutions to see if this is possible. That would bring things to a head quickly. If something like this were to be threatened, there would be am immediate trip to reality for the Michigan Men.
It is reported that Big Ten ADs have sited "injury concerns," I know from experience that this is generally a precursor to cancellation. Wouldn't that be interesting?
I wonder if any official will tell a Michigan player.....you are lucky to be playing?
 

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There will be a conference call of the Big Ten Presidents today. Santa Oh No will explain that this is just one big misunderstanding. He will remind everyone that they are all just lucky to be playing Michigan.
 

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The university presidents and the trustees at the schools remaining on Michigan's schedule hold the right cards.
They could all agree not to play Michigan unless appropriate action is taken. I'm not a lawyer, but if I'm a university president I am instructing my legal team to research contracts, bylaws and appropriate constitutions to see if this is possible. That would bring things to a head quickly. If something like this were to be threatened, there would be am immediate trip to reality for the Michigan Men.
It is reported that Big Ten ADs have sited "injury concerns," I know from experience that this is generally a precursor to cancellation. Wouldn't that be interesting?
I wonder if any official will tell a Michigan player.....you are lucky to be playing?
@marshall23 My post on Premium from yesterday:


ApexLion said:
Here's another kicker for consideration. Maybe our own @NateBauer would like to consider the implications of the following and share a take:

What if this thing keeps snowballing into next week and more info comes out... does Kraft dare to question the validity of the game between PSU and UM? In other words, can a member of the conference postpone a game due to extraneous circumstances? I have to think there are 'act of god' provisions in the conference contract as well a means to petition the conference. If you are sure the game is compromised in some way, why play?

Put simply, could Kraft say 'we aren't playing Michigan now.'?

Before you brush aside the notion during your busy week, think about the issue in its totality. You are essentially party to a fraud if you play. Additionally, millions of dollars could hang in the balance depending on the outcome as bowl slotting will be affected. As a business person and steward of the university, is Kraft not obligated to consider the implications of playing vs. not playing such a game?

BTW, this is very similar to the BC point shaving scandal which nearly wrecked NCAA basketball but some level heads worked quickly and intelligently to investigate, working with the FBI to get to the facts. Before the Internet, people saw things and couldn't figure out why games ended the way they did. Eventually, some witnesses came forward. Guess Pettiti wasn't alive back then.
 
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@marshall23 My post on Premium from yesterday:


ApexLion said:
Here's another kicker for consideration. Maybe our own @NateBauer would like to consider the implications of the following and share a take:

What if this thing keeps snowballing into next week and more info comes out... does Kraft dare to question the validity of the game between PSU and UM? In other words, can a member of the conference postpone a game due to extraneous circumstances? I have to think there are 'act of god' provisions in the conference contract as well a means to petition the conference. If you are sure the game is compromised in some way, why play?

Put simply, could Kraft say 'we aren't playing Michigan now.'?

Before you brush aside the notion during your busy week, think about the issue in its totality. You are essentially party to a fraud if you play. Additionally, millions of dollars could hang in the balance depending on the outcome as bowl slotting will be affected. As a business person and steward of the university, is Kraft not obligated to consider the implications of playing vs. not playing such a game?

BTW, this is very similar to the BC point shaving scandal which nearly wrecked NCAA basketball but some level heads worked quickly and intelligently to investigate, working with the FBI to get to the facts. Before the Internet, people saw things and couldn't figure out why games ended the way they did. Eventually, some witnesses came forward. Guess Pettiti wasn't alive back then.

Given that it‘s um and We Are…Just PSU! (the worst of the worst), I’m sure PSU will be told that a refusal to play will result in a forfeit.
 

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It appears the commish can ONLY suspend coaches for 2 games max.
This is a bit of a monkey wrench. If he drops the hammer now, Tosu fans will be upset. If he waits, PU and possibly PSU fans will be upset.

Nice job jimmy.
 

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It appears the commish can ONLY suspend coaches for 2 games max.
This is a bit of a monkey wrench. If he drops the hammer now, Tosu fans will be upset. If he waits, PU and possibly PSU fans will be upset.

Nice job jimmy.
I believe more severe penalties can be imposed with approval of an executive committee comprised of university presidents.
 

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The university presidents and the trustees at the schools remaining on Michigan's schedule hold the right cards.
They could all agree not to play Michigan unless appropriate action is taken. I'm not a lawyer, but if I'm a university president I am instructing my legal team to research contracts, bylaws and appropriate constitutions to see if this is possible. That would bring things to a head quickly. If something like this were to be threatened, there would be am immediate trip to reality for the Michigan Men.
It is reported that Big Ten ADs have sited "injury concerns," I know from experience that this is generally a precursor to cancellation. Wouldn't that be interesting?
I wonder if any official will tell a Michigan player.....you are lucky to be playing?
Cancellations will punish the home teams and their communities. What is the effect on Michigan?
 

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Cancellations will punish the home teams and their communities. What is the effect on Michigan?
No game. No CF playoff berth. Forces the conference to act. The increased negative impact on the program. Look at what the Michigan coaches have done to the kids on their team.
 

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No game. No CF playoff berth. Forces the conference to act. The increased negative impact on the program. Look at what the Michigan coaches have done to the kids on their team.
I'm not sure how it would affect a playoff berth. If the committee deems them worthy now, would not playing mean that they were not as good later? I know it happens in other polls but have teams dropped in the CFP rankings during bye weeks? Yes, I agree that it will make UM look bad but, beyond that, will UM care?
 

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I'm not sure how it would affect a playoff berth. If the committee deems them worthy now, would not playing mean that they were not as good later? I know it happens in other polls but have teams dropped in the CFP rankings during bye weeks? Yes, I agree that it will make UM look bad but, beyond that, will UM care?
Of course, if they dont play Penn State and Ohio State, how impressive is their resume? They've beaten the hell out of a bunch on non-ranked teams. Other teams would have more opportunities to impress and pass them in the CFP rankings.
 

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It appears the commish can ONLY suspend coaches for 2 games max.
This is a bit of a monkey wrench. If he drops the hammer now, Tosu fans will be upset. If he waits, PU and possibly PSU fans will be upset.

Nice job jimmy.

Why would OSU fans be upset? OSU would LOVE them to drop the hammer because it would assure them the Big Ten championship irregardless of if we beat UM or not. They don't want us to beat UM and then have UM beat them. Taking them out of the equation fully makes it happen.
 
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Of course, if they dont play Penn State and Ohio State, how impressive is their resume? They've beaten the hell out of a bunch on non-ranked teams. Other teams would have more opportunities to impress and pass them in the CFP rankings.
What if the PU Pres/AD/Coach tell the Commish today that they aren't playing in AA tomorrow with that staff (jimmy, oc, dc) on the sideline?
 

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I'm not sure how it would affect a playoff berth. If the committee deems them worthy now, would not playing mean that they were not as good later? I know it happens in other polls but have teams dropped in the CFP rankings during bye weeks? Yes, I agree that it will make UM look bad but, beyond that, will UM care?
I think the committee is saying they are not the "governing" body to pass judgement. They don't have investigators etc. Its up to the NCAA and the Conference to level any sanctions. The Executive Council of Presidents (conference), could suspend Harbaugh "indefinitely." This would cover the next 4 weeks and allow for the investigation to be near complete. To do nothing is or should not be an option. Harbaugh will not be at Michigan next season. He should not escape punishment.
 
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