Most of the comments and articles saying it's a non issue seem to be in the "everyone does it" camp, and don't seem to understand that there's a difference between in game sign stealing from the opposite sideline (allowed and common) and in person advance scouting and video recording (illegal). I don't think this is common at all based on how 12 of 13 schools in the Big 10 have, anonymously, stated that Stalions bought sideline tickets to their games and the also tipped off schools outside of the conference that this was happening. If everyone was doing this they wouldn't all be coming forward so quickly with these reports because they'd want to keep it under wraps and continue doing it themselves. This is a clear game day competitive advantage sort of issue too, which isn't something we see often, so who knows what the NCAA or Big 10 will do but that is what will drive urgency. Imagine nothing happens and UM makes the playoff. If so, the Big 10 conference would look like idiots on a national scale as a team accused of cheating to help win games plays on the biggest stage in the sport. Because of that I think it will move faster than most investigations. However I don't agree with the prior poster that we'll see coaching suspensions before the PSU game, but I think punishment of some sort will be coming relatively quickly.
Is it any surprise the Nose pickers in Michigan are cheaters? Currently under investigation by the NCAA illegally scouting
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Thanks for the warning. I think PSU will be fine. In any event, my playing days were over long ago. Unlike a stud like you, I realize PSU victories or loses don't enhance or diminish who I am. Glad Michigan is doing so well that it makes you feel successful.
Michigan spit on the God of college football. Vegas. There will be a reckoning. HC and OCs will get a show cause for starters. It probably won't impact this year. But next. People should not discount the possibility that OSU takes them out this year. One also should remember that The Lions have beaten them recently. Can you imagine the abuse their fans will take from opponents fans if they reach the playoffs?
Man says U-M staffer paid him to tape Big 10 foes
Suspended Michigan football staffer Connor Stalions compensated at least one person for recording future Wolverines opponents with "a couple hundred dollars" and a ticket to a Michigan home game, according to the person.
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This Stalions dude was only making 50k…. So who was paying the coin to these people as well as paying stub hub for the choice seats??Man says U-M staffer paid him to tape Big 10 foes
Suspended Michigan football staffer Connor Stalions compensated at least one person for recording future Wolverines opponents with "a couple hundred dollars" and a ticket to a Michigan home game, according to the person.
Exactly. These were work expenses, which you wouldn’t expect him to pay out of his own pocket, but we’re also talking about nearly a third of his salary. Yeah, he wasn’t footing the bill.
But the thing is, we already learned that a bunch of the money movement was public until the scandal hit. Public! Venmo! I'd expect that the investigators captured it before it was changed to private.
Mulling that over for a minute... I wonder what the expense reports said? Please make that public I bet it's at least Ron Mexico level funny. Probably not Wildman T Ball Lifter in Scarlet funny but we can only dream.
I keep forgetting about this historical tidbit of info. ScUm meets human scum
Poggi’s success at Gilman had prompted University of Michigan coach Harbaugh to hire him as a special adviser and assistant head coach in 2016. Poggi returned to Baltimore a year later, then worked at Michigan in 2021 and 2022. He had
Poggi’s success at Gilman had prompted University of Michigan coach Harbaugh to hire him as a special adviser and assistant head coach in 2016. Poggi returned to Baltimore a year later, then worked at Michigan in 2021 and 2022. He had
met Harbaugh when Michigan recruited Poggi’s son Henry. Harbaugh credits Poggi’s counsel with helping reverse the Big 10 school’s fortunes.
businessnc.com
Poggi’s success at Gilman had prompted University of Michigan coach Harbaugh to hire him as a special adviser and assistant head coach in 2016. Poggi returned to Baltimore a year later, then worked at Michigan in 2021 and 2022. He had
Poggi’s success at Gilman had prompted University of Michigan coach Harbaugh to hire him as a special adviser and assistant head coach in 2016. Poggi returned to Baltimore a year later, then worked at Michigan in 2021 and 2022. He had
met Harbaugh when Michigan recruited Poggi’s son Henry. Harbaugh credits Poggi’s counsel with helping reverse the Big 10 school’s fortunes.
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If you don't want Anyone to see your hairy ***...don't walk around with your pants around your ankles
No one cares. You won't find sympathy here michigan man. Crying about NCAA overreach is actually a pretty nervy thing to do here, don't you think? Where were you when we were down? You kicked us. Now you can kick rocks.
I haven’t read much of this thread, nor followed much of this situation all that closely. Would I be wrong to say this is a little like Nick Nolte’s character in Blue Chips who knew his *** was on the chopping block and just decided to cheat to try to win again?
The bigger story is, who paid the PI firm to dig this stuff up?
no, that is absolutely NOT the bigger story
Likely hired by U of M, ironically to get to the bottom of the Weiss case. They found the scouting stuff and forwarded it to the proper governing body to evaluate what it was.
Along this line of thinking without the second CFP participant part. Might PSU be on the receiving end of a favorable official’s ruling (or two) in their matchup with UM?
A hypothetical UM loss would almost assuredly eliminate it from CFP participation and allow all of the “governing” bodies to punt the ball down the road and not have to make a rushed (rash?) decision this season.
Except it will be against OSU that this happens, not PSU
Michigan could very well need 2 losses to miss the playoffs. Only loss to a potentially undefeated OSU, that's a strong resume most years.
This may already have been posted, but Connor Stalions hired a guy to video tape Penn State's sideline during the UMass game. This guy was also going to video tape our sideline during this week's Indiana game. But since this story broke, he will not be traveling to Penn State. He remains anonymous as he spoke to ESPN this week.
Desmond Howard was full on s**T head today with his comments, can't stand that guy.
Why do you watch that show?
Yeah.... it went from a fairly serious show that I used to watch regularly to a circus. Despite his OSU homerism, I do like Herbstreit, but the rest of them are clowns.
It became unwatchable as soon as they added Mushmouf to the announcer crew.
Best be safe and make sure they lose to Penn State too. Can't have cheaters in the playoffs!
If they were reimbursed work expenses that sounds like a loss of institutional control. Seems like scUM has a culture problem.
"Most years." Their schedule is absolutely awful outside of OSU and PSU so the committee won't do them many favors if they lose a game or two, depending on what the rest of the field does. PSU is in the same boat. OSU has the benefit of the win over ND.
WSJ News Exclusive | Michigan Rescinded Contract Offer to Jim Harbaugh After Sign-Stealing Allegations
A deal was on the table to make the 59-year-old the Big Ten’s highest paid coach until allegations of wrongdoing in the football program scuttled talks.
www.wsj.com
Paul Harvey, and here is the rest of the story...................... (at least up to the time of the post)
According to Pat Forde at SI, that may not have been the only way Michigan tried to improperly gain an edge, as the outlet says an unnamed Big Ten program was told to keep an eye out for ball boys relaying plays to the home team’s sideline:
A coach at a different school called them before playing Michigan to warn them about Wolverines ball boys on their sideline listening to play calls and communicating information to the Michigan sideline—holding the football up in one hand to indicate an expected pass, and in the other hand to indicate a run
According to Pat Forde at SI, that may not have been the only way Michigan tried to improperly gain an edge, as the outlet says an unnamed Big Ten program was told to keep an eye out for ball boys relaying plays to the home team’s sideline:
A coach at a different school called them before playing Michigan to warn them about Wolverines ball boys on their sideline listening to play calls and communicating information to the Michigan sideline—holding the football up in one hand to indicate an expected pass, and in the other hand to indicate a run
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Frankly, I don't think any of this is news; Michigan has always cheated. They've had referees in their pockets for decades. Literally!
And the BIG and NCAA has covered for their sorry azzez all that time. And they will find a way to cover for them again this time.
Move along. Round up the usual suspects. Etc.
And the BIG and NCAA has covered for their sorry azzez all that time. And they will find a way to cover for them again this time.
Move along. Round up the usual suspects. Etc.
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