Now this is funny and reminds me of a story. A good friend of mine is a Director of Logistics for an S&P 30 company. About 3 years ago she had made a written offer for a position to a new college grad. A few days later she received a phone call from the kids mother asking for clarification about the health insurance. She told the mother that she was sorry but she thought she hiring an adult and told the mother to inform her son that the offer was being rescinded and the paperwork would go out that day. Said good day and hung up. I often wonder how that mother broke the news.
Middle aged rant....
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Kids today see jobs very differently. They (largely) don’t believe they are defined by their work and the only questions I routinely got involved work life balance. The work from home and flexibility has many getting up at noon and doing their work after hours ( saying they still get their work done). Even the titans of industry are very different. I had a co worker who left and was a direct report to Bill Gates. If he was up at 4:00 AM and he had a question, you were on the clock. I have a friend whose daughter worked for Musk’s brother and he made Elon look like Henry Ford. The stories I heard about their annual parties where they hired the best chefs in the world to do the food would have been rated XXX if they filmed them. If you are a kid with a modicum of work ethic, you can really stand out today.
The thought crossed my mind also. Maybe he thought being so off the wall unconventional in his approach might peak their interest. If so, a big gamble that failed.
The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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You’ll be happy to know sons 1&2 were never allowed to act like asses to adults. Both employed at state senior year job fair, hang in there.
Erial, you do understand a two foot sub is not on the menu.
Spent nearly 5 years on all ends of a survey crew before going to the railroad. Fun times.
I got hired and sent out of town without ever knowing specifically what I'd be doing. First morning in the parking lot I asked what I'd be doing. They handled me a pole and asked if I could keep it level. I did, so they said I was good.
The entire time I was reading the OP’s post, I’m thinking this is probably what was going on…..
This ^^^^. He should have been sent on his way by phone. Then, after he shows up in jeans and a tshirt, he should have been shown the door and told his interview was over and his application was rejected.
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Based on your user name we might go to the same Primos. If so I can confirm previous not so good experiences there. I stick with Aversa’s now
Ask any of these numb nuts what happened on September 11 2001 and they will give you a dumb look.
Based on that comment, I’m sure that it is.
I like Aversas a lot, but they just close too early. If I’m ordering out or picking up a sub, it’s usually after kid’s sports or something like that and definitely too late for Aversas (but I will swing over there for lunch every now and then). I’ve probably had Primo 10-12 times and never had an issue with the quality…however, it often takes a lot longer than it should.
Yea we use them and Scarpinattos a lot for food for parties. Totally get what you mean about the hours. I do liscios hoagie trays sometimes too. If you ever see an SUV with PSU stuff on it going around traffic circles too many times bc I can’t get the exit right it’s probably me, still getting used to these jersey roads
have a great night!
So glad my kids’ elementary school does a lot for 9/11. I have been very pleasantly surprised. My daughter came home asking questions about Pearl Harbor today. Not sure how much detail they went into but at least it was addressed (this is 4th grade)
Jersey roads...NO LEFT TURNS!? Driving a mile past where you want to go is maddening. Then missing the proper traffic circle and having to drive another mile, loop around, then drive 2-3 back the other direction only to repeat this again....F that place and it's crappy roads.
Need mandatory draft into the military for this generation!!!
I know I sound like an old crank too but I'm hearing stories like this from multiple different sources. This generation of Millenials, Generation Z or whatever they call themselves are a different breed. These are the people who will be doing maintenance on your car, building a power grid for the 21st century and delivering all the groceries to your supermarket. People blame shortages of toilet paper, coins and everything else on COVID but I think there is lot more to it than that.
And thats one of the MAIN reasons we have what we have today. there is NOT ENOUGH PAIN nor PRIDE different subject but related
The ones we see fresh out of college want to sit on their butts in front of a computer and start at $150k.
DING DING DING DING DING!
Either 3 years on a FARM or 3 years in the Military and this ENTIRE COUNTRY CHANGES for the BETTER!
"But what do you do with the liberal nerdy book reading New Yorker from Manhattan?"
"Well we send her to Ft. Polk LA and have her guard an Auxiliary Gate checking IDs"
"What about the Nerdy Book keeping type?"
"Well he works behind the desk in the Finance group"
"What about the Dysfunctional Kid who plays on his computer all day?"
"Well he might be sent to Ft. Gordon to our Signal corp as a Computer Analyst"
Uniforms, Yes Sir No Maam, develop organization and a Sense of Urgency, Some form of Exercise, and for the Weight challenged imagine the Diets and body reshaping etc...TIMELENESS or lol your life is miserable lol it works People for all People!
A lot of our Problems today go away with this small 3-yr Regimented lifestyle...
Oh and I will be Nice--you can either do 3 years out of High School or go to College first--but after College you owe 4 years to your Country.
Many many reasons why we are the way we are today--Kids living at home with No Pressure, No real Pain or Pride to move out.
Entitlements out of Yazoo for almost all classes of our society.
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Yes you are Correct...and that Engineering candidate student the OP shared--he thinks he has Leverage--Engineering Degree so they need me--I am in short supply...wow did he over play his hand--then what he will tell everyone including family is a lie--Didn't like the company--wasn't paying enough etc..He wont look himself in the mirror and say I F'ed up....and thats the problem.
My industry--Cyber Security Software. All these young people want immediate Strategic key positions like you stated--the Marketing EEs with 2-4 years experience (25-28yr olds) want to help the Chief Marketing Officer with Strategy and not on the execution parts (the hard parts the work etc.) In Sales the Business Development Reps (Inside Sales) want my type of job---they think--Phone call--Demo-Proposal-Close that easy....well for me lol but I been selling since I graduated PSU in 96'. No not quite that easy lol-- they come from Trophy generation entitlement, instant gratification world...We all had newspaper routes, lawn jobs, etc...understood what $1 and $5 meant.
The kids we hire today are very bright and hard working. They do value life balance and today's job market provides unlimited opportunities for them to change jobs for ever increasing compensation. Working from home has not been helpful re retention. If part of what your Company offers is an excellent culture, they are not getting a chance to experience and value that culture. We are also seeing our female census growing partly due to our recruiting path but also because they are more often than not the better, more mature candidate.
I worked for the bricklayer. Carry the hod for 8 hours a day all summer ..... You beg to go to college! LOL.
Agree with all your Points---been working remote since 2010--people thinks its a privelage, kind of but I produce $Million+ a year in software sales =Keep my job.
Prior to the pandemic a lot of F500 companies were changing their offices--I mean full floor renovations, millions to do. I have a few large name brand clients you all know and have either cruised on or rented their cars
Walking through you see all the cubes being ripped down and the Glass offices and on each floor common areas with the cool beverage machines, fooz ball, ping pong tables, multi-colored bean bag sacks..weird....like Google basically what you see shown in the movies with Silicon valley.. the reasoning from both companies "We need to look appealing to hire this generation of talent" Really? I guess each is own...I care about other things...to me those things arent tangible and dont care....
Like filling sandbags. Been there and I said to myself wow should have studied little more in high school...
I got that beat.
Burger King circa 2005. They are doing Star Wars figures in their kids meals and my son is collecting them. Some of them are harder to find than others. This Burger King we happen upon has five of the figures my son doesn't have.
Ask if I can just buy the toys instead of the meals, as I had done that at other Burger Kings. Manager says no, that is not their policy. Ok...ill take 5 kids meals, just don't bother making the meals.
He calls the cashier over and explains it to him. Kid nods his head.
Rings me up, and asks "You want hamburgers or cheeseburgers"
Me: I just want the toys
Him: manager said you have to buy the meals
Me: I'll pay for the meals, I just want the toys
Him: what am I supposed to do with the food
Me: don't make it
Him: but the manager said you have to buy it
Me: fine...make it. You can eat it.
Him: man, I can't eat 5 hamburgers
Me: just throw away what you can't eat
Him: <nods head> What drinks do you want with those
Me: <Slaps forehead> Just gimme 5 hamburger kids meals with cokes.
Then he proceeded to watch me pull 5 toys out of the boxes and pitch 4 perfectly good meals in the trash....there was one other family in line and they gladly accepted the free kids meal
Work ethic is out the window…you can see this in how they vote/their expectations from society. Chinese licking their chops…expect to see them zooming by on the left if this trend is not quickly reversed.
I really do work in jeans and a tee in the summer, and usually a fleece pullover in the winter, so I have greater latitude on clothing choice. The main requirement is that they be clean and timely. I’d much rather have an engaged, energetic thinker on my team than a well-dressed, book smart model that was spoon fed and regurgitates.
If you don’t show evidence that you can operate off a paved road with guardrails you won’t get an offer.
If you don’t show evidence that you can operate off a paved road with guardrails you won’t get an offer.
You don’t need to look to the Chinese. The change will be from within the borders of this country. But it may be the only option this country has from keeping the Chinese from zooming by on the left because Anerica is giving itself away.
I agree with your comment in how people vote-but I may be looking at it from the other side of the road
And they want to know why they make X dollars a year SMH....sad. See Farm and/or Military could fix that lack of experience.
You don’t need to look to the Chinese. The change will be from within the borders of this country. But it may be the only option this country has from keeping the Chinese from zooming by on the left because Anerica is giving itself away.
I agree with your comment in how people vote-but I may be looking at it from the other side of the road
So, a follow up.
A phone call was made to the university regarding the applicant. Suffice to say, apologies were profusely offered for his behaviour. As of this post, however, his mom or dad has not contacted us demanding he be hired.
A phone call was made to the university regarding the applicant. Suffice to say, apologies were profusely offered for his behaviour. As of this post, however, his mom or dad has not contacted us demanding he be hired.
My experience is that it is a mixed bag, and I wonder if previous generations didn't observe something similar - many of the next generation get it, and many don't. I had great experiences with many young professionals who were hard working, smart, eager to learn, and creative. My experience mirror's your company's - it was easier to find quality female employees and candidates than male. As a group, they were more mature and better prepared than their male counterparts.
There is a significant portion of the population that fits all the classic negative stereotypes. One of the biggest challenges is that many of this group struggle with the idea of choices and consequences for those choices. I had multiple experiences with employees (and heard of more) who were upset when an employee who was taking on extra assignments and /or pursuing additional knowledge and skills was recognized and promoted over them. The theme was "that's not fair, if I did what they did I wouldn't have time for..." The problem wasn't that they wanted to have a social life, pursue hobbies, or whatever, it was that they did not understand that both they and their colleagues had made choices and were experiencing the good and bad that went with the choices. They wanted the benefit of a lifestyle they had chosen while also receiving the benefit of a lifestyle they hadn't chosen, fully expecting their employer to go along.
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