Middle aged rant....

[Fortheglory612]

I wanted kids that were hungry. I, and several of my colleagues as well, thought that those who studied abroad were probably fed from silver spoons. Unfair? Probably, but when you are trimming applications it seemed to work. Frankly, anyone that "studies" abroad without being a Rhodes Scholar or something similar is also being given everything else and unlikely to be "hungry".

Again, I was after those that would be hard workers and I figured those that already were hard workers would be more likely to continue on that path.

From a personal standpoint, I have three children. All three have or will graduate with zero student loans, mainly because I have the means. They each got a few scholarships, but almost all of that money was deposited into their student account and was used to cover a portion of tuition (my benefit!). I didn't give them any, and I mean any spending money from tenth grade on. If they wanted spending money they worked and saved. Going into a school year with zero spending money was a big incentive to get a good job and work as many hours as possible.

I appreciate your response. I studied abroad in 2006 (right after the orange bowl win against FSU). I can only speak for myself but I definitely wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth and have the student loan payments to prove it.

What myself and many other kids in the program I was in did was use the study abroad time to take classes that fulfilled the gen Ed credit requirements or courses their schools approved of that fulfilled requirements in their specific majors. This was determined beforehand by the university and the study abroad program. I came home, worked all summer as I always did and still graduated on time. I enjoyed my time abroad and wouldn’t change it but it was not the “you must do this or you haven’t had the full college experience” thing that I felt it was made out to be by some of my friends and professors.

I would be upset to know I could possibly not be considered for a job due to the fact that I studied abroad.

Your kids are fortunate they won’t have to deal with student loans. I hope I can provide the same for my kids one day.

 

[Quint526]

You didn't get sued for terminating the person? Sounds like she was trying to explore other opportunities which maybe you couldn't provide.

Interesting take, but no. She was a completely self-centered a$$hole lacking consideration for others and self-awareness.

Sue on what grounds? She was offered employment on an at-will basis, and she arguably rescinded her acceptance with her stupid stunt.

 

[canuckhal]

He'll be fine, probably even your boss one day.

Boss? Daddy will buy the place for him and name him CEO after he comes back from his ski trip.

 

[TiogaLion]

I appreciate your response. I studied abroad in 2006 (right after the orange bowl win against FSU). I can only speak for myself but I definitely wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth and have the student loan payments to prove it.

What myself and many other kids in the program I was in did was use the study abroad time to take classes that fulfilled the gen Ed credit requirements or courses their schools approved of that fulfilled requirements in their specific majors. This was determined beforehand by the university and the study abroad program. I came home, worked all summer as I always did and still graduated on time. I enjoyed my time abroad and wouldn’t change it but it was not the “you must do this or you haven’t had the full college experience” thing that I felt it was made out to be by some of my friends and professors.

I would be upset to know I could possibly not be considered for a job due to the fact that I studied abroad.

Your kids are fortunate they won’t have to deal with student loans. I hope I can provide the same for my kids one day.

You are acting as if I attacked you personally which you clearly know isn't the case. This thread is/was about interviewing upcoming college graduates and I gave the logic that I used when trimming resumes in my attempt to find young people that would be hard workers. I gave a more detailed explanation on why "study abroad" was on my list, at your request.

Oh, and don't worry as I'm sure there are some people that boosted your resume to the top of the pile because you studied abroad. I just don't know any of those, but I'm sure most wouldn't tosed out your resume because you did study abroad. Luckily, you aren't a new grad any longer so details of your college experience wouldn't be shown on your current resume.

 

[bean1978]

I hate to say it but most of the problem with the young generation is our fault (baby boomers & Gen-x). We are the ones who became helicopter parents and wanted our children to have better lives than us. I would like to think that I didn't spoil my child. She is a great kid and is good at her job. But while my wife and I worked our butts off to provide a nice lifestyle, my daughter would never work a minute of overtime. She wants a life.. We are the ones who decided to drive our kids so they wouldn't have to ride the bus. We are the ones who gave them cell phones & video games. We are the ones who let them play inside because it was safer instead playing outside with friends. I am luckier than most but we deserve some of the blame.

 

[NittPicker]

We are the ones who let them play inside because it was safer instead playing outside with friends.

That made me chuckle and shows how times have definitely changed. When I was a kid and the weather was nice, my mom would usually make us go outside to play. If we said there wasn't anything to do outside, she'd say, "Well then make something up!"

 

[Big_O]

That made me chuckle and shows how times have definitely changed. When I was a kid and the weather was nice, my mom would usually make us go outside to play. If we said there wasn't anything to do outside, she'd say, "Well then make something up!"

Sounds exactly what my mother would say, although she pretty much would have to forcibly stop me from playing outside unless it was pouring down rain or lightning. We were not allowed to stay inside to play unless there was inclement weather because she didn’t want us messing up the house.

 

[Fac]

That made me chuckle and shows how times have definitely changed. When I was a kid and the weather was nice, my mom would usually make us go outside to play. If we said there wasn't anything to do outside, she'd say, "Well then make something up!"

On Monday, we would get on our bikes and ride 2 miles to Putt-Putt and golf ($1.00 9am - 6pm) and come home around 4pm. Lunch was at the adjourning A&W.

 

[91Joe95]

I appreciate your response. I studied abroad in 2006 (right after the orange bowl win against FSU). I can only speak for myself but I definitely wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth and have the student loan payments to prove it.

What myself and many other kids in the program I was in did was use the study abroad time to take classes that fulfilled the gen Ed credit requirements or courses their schools approved of that fulfilled requirements in their specific majors. This was determined beforehand by the university and the study abroad program. I came home, worked all summer as I always did and still graduated on time. I enjoyed my time abroad and wouldn’t change it but it was not the “you must do this or you haven’t had the full college experience” thing that I felt it was made out to be by some of my friends and professors.

I would be upset to know I could possibly not be considered for a job due to the fact that I studied abroad.

Your kids are fortunate they won’t have to deal with student loans. I hope I can provide the same for my kids one day.

Companies that have sites overseas and/or deal with foreign customers value it highly.

 

[step.eng69]

Interesting take, but no. She was a completely self-centered a$$hole lacking consideration for others and self-awareness.

Sue on what grounds? She was offered employment on an at-will basis, and she arguably rescinded her acceptance with her stupid stunt.

Quint, my post was ...say...tongue kin cheek

 

[Quint526]

Quint, my post was ...say...tongue kin cheek

LOL…sorry. I totally missed it!

 

[TiogaLion]

Companies that have sites overseas and/or deal with foreign customers value it highly.

Companies don't hire people, people hire people. I stated my weed out criteria above and I and several of my colleagues used this criteria in our search for hard working new grads. I'm sure others have different approaches but this was ours and we had very good success with most of our new hires. I thought others reading the thread would like hearing a different approach. It wasn't meant to be taken personally or to be argued with, as it was merely given because it's unique and worked very well for us.

 

[Fortheglory612]

You are acting as if I attacked you personally which you clearly know isn't the case. This thread is/was about interviewing upcoming college graduates and I gave the logic that I used when trimming resumes in my attempt to find young people that would be hard workers. I gave a more detailed explanation on why "study abroad" was on my list, at your request.

Oh, and don't worry as I'm sure there are some people that boosted your resume to the top of the pile because you studied abroad. I just don't know any of those, but I'm sure most wouldn't tosed out your resume because you did study abroad. Luckily, you aren't a new grad any longer so details of your college experience wouldn't be shown on your current resume.

You didn’t attack me personally! I asked and you gave an honest answer which I appreciate and respect. I gave an honest response from my own personal experience with the main point being that not all of us who have studied abroad are born with a silver spoon. I did not mean to offend you or piss you off. I like your posts and hearing opinions different from mine. And believe me, I don’t think my resume was boosted to the top of any pile because I studied abroad. In fact, this is the first time it’s come up in any conversation related to employment ever but I also have only worked for two organizations since graduation and it’s been awhile since those interviews and likely will never come up in the future.

 

[91Joe95]

Companies don't hire people, people hire people. I stated my weed out criteria above and I and several of my colleagues used this criteria to our search for hard working new grads. I'm sure others have different approaches but this was ours and we had very good success with most of our new hires. I thought others reading the thread would like hearing a different approach. It wasn't meant to be taken personally or to be argued with, as it was merely given because it's unique and worked very well for us.

I have nothing against your criteria and I have little doubt it works for you. I was simply providing an example to the poster where it comes in handy.

 

[Fortheglory612]

I have nothing against your criteria and I have little doubt it works for you. I was simply providing an example to the poster where it comes in handy.

Thank you! I think my wires got crossed or I was half asleep when I posted last night. I would like to add that my friends who took internships for a full semester rather than studying abroad (several interned with J&J), all ended up with great job offers right out of college. I could see that being more attractive to future employers than going abroad for a semester, especially in certain fields like science or engineering. I won’t bring it up again I just wanted to clarify.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Interesting take, but no. She was a completely self-centered a$$hole lacking consideration for others and self-awareness.

Sue on what grounds? She was offered employment on an at-will basis, and she arguably rescinded her acceptance with her stupid stunt.

This gal ^^^^ reminds me of Tosh Lupoi, a former defensive line coach at Cal, who got an offer from UW, took said offer back to Jeff Tedford (at that time the Cal head coach), got Cal to make a substantially increased offer, and then took the increased Cal offer back to the Huskies, who sweetened their offer. Tupoi then jumped ship for UW roughly two weeks before National Signing Day (submarining what would have been a Top 3 recruiting class for Cal). He left Tedford standing on an airport tarmac, and asked the guys he had been recruiting to Cal to: (1) go to Washington instead, or, (2) if they were unwilling to go to UW, to go anywhere other than Cal. This, coming from a guy who played for Cal and then coached there.

 

[Fortheglory612]

This gal ^^^^ reminds me of Tosh Lupoi, a former defensive line coach at Cal, who got an offer from UW, took said offer back to Jeff Tedford (at that time the Cal head coach), got Cal to make a substantially increased offer, and then took the increased Cal offer back to the Huskies, who sweetened their offer. Tupoi then jumped ship for UW roughly two weeks before National Signing Day (submarining what would have been a Top 3 recruiting class for Cal). He left Tedford standing on an airport tarmac, and asked the guys he had been recruiting to Cal to: (1) go to Washington instead, or, (2) if they were unwilling to go to UW, to go anywhere other than Cal. This, coming from a guy who played for Cal and then coached there.

Hope he’s having fun in Jacksonville

 

[Midnighter]

DING DING DING DING DING!

Either 3 years on a FARM or 3 years in the Military and this ENTIRE COUNTRY CHANGES for the BETTER!

"But what do you do with the liberal nerdy book reading New Yorker from Manhattan?"
"Well we send her to Ft. Polk LA and have her guard an Auxiliary Gate checking IDs"

"What about the Nerdy Book keeping type?"
"Well he works behind the desk in the Finance group"

"What about the Dysfunctional Kid who plays on his computer all day?"
"Well he might be sent to Ft. Gordon to our Signal corp as a Computer Analyst"

Uniforms, Yes Sir No Maam, develop organization and a Sense of Urgency, Some form of Exercise, and for the Weight challenged imagine the Diets and body reshaping etc...TIMELENESS or lol your life is miserable lol it works People for all People!

A lot of our Problems today go away with this small 3-yr Regimented lifestyle...

Oh and I will be Nice--you can either do 3 years out of High School or go to College first--but after College you owe 4 years to your Country.

Many many reasons why we are the way we are today--Kids living at home with No Pressure, No real Pain or Pride to move out.
Entitlements out of Yazoo for almost all classes of our society.

No it doesn’t. Have you served with conscripted soldiers before? World of difference between an all volunteer army and those who have to join by law.

 

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On Monday, we would get on our bikes and ride 2 miles to Putt-Putt and golf ($1.00 9am - 6pm) and come home around 4pm. Lunch was at the adjourning A&W.

Outside all day. Had to come home when the streetlights came on.

 

[psuro]

Hey, Tioga, I'm available... I underachieved my first tern in 69, got a 1.6 for the first semester. My advisor told me to leave, I was wasting my loans and grants from the General Arnold education funds.

I think you would do quite well. I hope he gives you an interview.

 

[FTLPSU]

No it doesn’t. Have you served with conscripted soldiers before? World of difference between an all volunteer army and those who have to join by law.

I have not served with conscripted soldiers before, I have trained with them in joint exercises for weeks at a time.

Have You served? If you did you would know that the control mechanisms and tactics employed during training or should I say early indoctrination would flip a lot of minds and they would get it quite quickly hence my draconian approach to how to fix our issues in our society and especially with the younger enabled and entitled generation.

 

[Midnighter]

I have not served with conscripted soldiers before, I have trained with them in joint exercises for weeks at a time.

Have You served? If you did you would know that the control mechanisms and tactics employed during training or should I say early indoctrination would flip a lot of minds and they would get it quite quickly hence my draconian approach to how to fix our issues in our society and especially with the younger enabled and entitled generation.

I did, and have served with military personnel from other countries where conscription or mandatory service exists. World of difference between them and countries where service is voluntary. This was in Bosnia at Camp Butmir, which was the NATO HQ for the mission in Bosnia. Your point is good in spirit - but difficult in practice. It goes against a lot of fundamental American ideals.

 

[TiogaLion]

I did, and have served with military personnel from other countries where conscription or mandatory service exists. World of difference between them and countries where service is voluntary. This was in Bosnia at Camp Butmir, which was the NATO HQ for the mission in Bosnia. Your point is good in spirit - but difficult in practice. It goes against a lot of fundamental American ideals.

I have not served and would like to know how mandatory and volunteer personnel are different?

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

I wanted kids that were hungry. I, and several of my colleagues as well, thought that those who studied abroad were probably fed from silver spoons. Unfair? Probably, but when you are trimming applications it seemed to work. Frankly, anyone that "studies" abroad without being a Rhodes Scholar or something similar is also being given everything else and unlikely to be "hungry".

Again, I was after those that would be hard workers and I figured those that already were hard workers would be more likely to continue on that path.

From a personal standpoint, I have three children. All three have or will graduate with zero student loans, mainly because I have the means. They each got a few scholarships, but almost all of that money was deposited into their student account and was used to cover a portion of tuition (my benefit!). I didn't give them any, and I mean any spending money from tenth grade on. If they wanted spending money they worked and saved. Going into a school year with zero spending money was a big incentive to get a good job and work as many hours as possible.

Well I’m guilty of buying 1&2 millions of beers. I told them school was their job.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

This gal ^^^^ reminds me of Tosh Lupoi, a former defensive line coach at Cal, who got an offer from UW, took said offer back to Jeff Tedford (at that time the Cal head coach), got Cal to make a substantially increased offer, and then took the increased Cal offer back to the Huskies, who sweetened their offer. Tupoi then jumped ship for UW roughly two weeks before National Signing Day (submarining what would have been a Top 3 recruiting class for Cal). He left Tedford standing on an airport tarmac, and asked the guys he had been recruiting to Cal to: (1) go to Washington instead, or, (2) if they were unwilling to go to UW, to go anywhere other than Cal. This, coming from a guy who played for Cal and then coached there.

You know way too much about the PAC

 

[Midnighter]

I have not served and would like to know how mandatory and volunteer personnel are different?

Not to be snarky, but how would you behave if told you had mandatory military service for two years? Less motivated, no esprit de corps, just ‘doing time’ - not a career. Certainly, people volunteer for our military for a number of reasons but ultimately they made the choice. And most have a deep love of country, believe in American ideals, and genuinely want to be career military - they’re more invested and better compensated.

I’m interested to see how Marcon’s institution of Service national universel (general national service) works. The French are deeply patriotic but not fans of war; this seems interesting though:

The basis of this mandatory service is to "increase the cohesion of the nation". For financial reasons, the service should last one month only. The draftees must wear uniform-like dresses, they have to hand over their mobile phones to their supervisors and are placed in collective accommodations far away from their home community. Half of the service is performed with civics and theoretical training. The daily routine follows a strict schedule, in the morning the anthem is sung at the flag roll call, afterwards courses must be attended, such as a first aid course, an introduction to the written driver's license test and learning rules of conduct in the event of a terrorist attack. The other half of the time has to be fulfilled with assignment in a non-profit organization, the military, the police or a fire department.[4]

I will say being a deployed single soldier at a NATO base with French military women was awesome. Fitted BDUs are outstanding…

 

[FTLPSU]

Not to be snarky, but how would you behave if told you had mandatory military service for two years? Less motivated, no esprit de corps, just ‘doing time’ - not a career. Certainly, people volunteer for our military for a number of reasons but ultimately they made the choice. And most have a deep love of country, believe in American ideals, and genuinely want to be career military - they’re more invested and better compensated.

Tioga, remember what I said---guarding a gate, behind a computer, I dont want those soldiers on my fire team nor any reliance on being a supporting element

 

[FTLPSU]

Not to be snarky, but how would you behave if told you had mandatory military service for two years? Less motivated, no esprit de corps, just ‘doing time’ - not a career. Certainly, people volunteer for our military for a number of reasons but ultimately they made the choice. And most have a deep love of country, believe in American ideals, and genuinely want to be career military - they’re more invested and better compensated.

I’m interested to see how Marcon’s institution of Service national universel (general national service) works. The French are deeply patriotic but not fans of war; this seems interesting though:

The basis of this mandatory service is to "increase the cohesion of the nation". For financial reasons, the service should last one month only. The draftees must wear uniform-like dresses, they have to hand over their mobile phones to their supervisors and are placed in collective accommodations far away from their home community. Half of the service is performed with civics and theoretical training. The daily routine follows a strict schedule, in the morning the anthem is sung at the flag roll call, afterwards courses must be attended, such as a first aid course, an introduction to the written driver's license test and learning rules of conduct in the event of a terrorist attack. The other half of the time has to be fulfilled with assignment in a non-profit organization, the military, the police or a fire department.[4]

I will say being a deployed single soldier at a NATO base with French military women was awesome. Fitted BDUs are outstanding…

LOL so a few comments.....I was never around any women from any mission or deployment let alone saw any that looked like that!
They would look Great guarding a gate at an Airforce base!

Ask yourself this Everyone---in looking at these women soldiers, do you think your 18-23 year old son(s) are in better conditioning shape than them or carry themselves with this look of purpose? Just asking....Don't hate....big boy pants on a football message board-hell I think they would give our O-line challenges

***The Cali type of girls-you know the ones who fake there ways into USC I would assign them to our Military hospitals/VA Affairs and have them help with bed pans-They aint touching no weapons only in basic to qualify and 1x each year after that--My my that would really change their perspectives wouldn't it?

Midnighter you know this works! BDU==Battle Dress Uniform

 

[Nitt1300]

I did, and have served with military personnel from other countries where conscription or mandatory service exists. World of difference between them and countries where service is voluntary. This was in Bosnia at Camp Butmir, which was the NATO HQ for the mission in Bosnia. Your point is good in spirit - but difficult in practice. It goes against a lot of fundamental American ideals.

True, but Israel certainly makes universal service work- maybe our failure to teach history makes our kids think that freedom is free.

 

[Midnighter]

True, but Israel certainly makes universal service work- maybe our failure to teach history makes our kids think that freedom is free.

Agree - there are a lot of variables though. Israelis live their cause every day. And look at our own history of conscription - way more successful in WW2 than Vietnam. Kids grew up in different eras. Mandatory service would be an extremely tough sell to today’s youth. I’ve talked to my own relatives who are in the prime age to enlist and they would rather do nothing than serve (and by nothing I mean work whatever hourly job pops up until they decide to quit).

 

[FTLPSU]

Agree - there are a lot of variables though. Israelis live their cause every day. And look at our own history of conscription - way more successful in WW2 than Vietnam. Kids grew up in different eras. Mandatory service would be an extremely tough sell to today’s youth. I’ve talked to my own relatives who are in the prime age to enlist and they would rather do nothing than serve (and by nothing I mean work whatever hourly job pops up until they decide to quit).

Yes many variables and factors that play into Conscripted service.
WW2--we were attacked and the World was at war--that GREATEST generation grew up poor, tough and disciplined. It was an Honor to serve.
Vietnam-we all know what that was--$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ like why we started in the Middle east $$$$$$$

Of course the younger generation wouldn't want to enlist too Hard....its about what made the greatest generation what is was. Tough, Disciplined--then you want to be lazy inconsiderate, not move with urgency and purpose fine---But I can tell you that percentage today would be Very very low...we would be a better society.

 

[Nohow]

I have not served with conscripted soldiers before, I have trained with them in joint exercises for weeks at a time.

Have You served? If you did you would know that the control mechanisms and tactics employed during training or should I say early indoctrination would flip a lot of minds and they would get it quite quickly hence my draconian approach to how to fix our issues in our society and especially with the younger enabled and entitled generation.

Fix “issues“ in society through forced military indoctrination? Sieg Heil.

 

[Nitt1300]

Fix “issues“ in society through forced military indoctrination? Sieg Heil.

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland all have mandatory service- none of them are Nazis

 

[FTLPSU]

Fix “issues“ in society through forced military indoctrination? Sieg Heil.

You learn respect and responsibility. There's a purpose, caring and giving to others. Your perspective would be completely different and for the better.
I can give many examples and reasons.

Forced Military---read my posts and understand them please. I would take a persona and then have them do a job that maps to them in our country, build a bridge, guard a gate, help in a hospital etc. The difference being--uniforms (for the purpose of not judging others) Timeliness, work ethic, teamwork, discipline, leadership, having a purpose. I can go on.

Indoctrination when I use it "the purpose of teaching a process"

Our society--is the best in the world and everyone wants to go to America. Internally we all ROW in different directions though--not in your small towns, or small states that many people dont pass thru like Massachusetts (5M people) mostly row in same direction--but in our Transient cities (most of our population lives) its everyone for themselves and thats were most of our problems exist.

 

[FTLPSU]

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland all have mandatory service- none of them are Nazis

Thanks....Yes and I have been to 2 of those countries. 3-5.5M in populations. (still have some liberal lifestyles lol.....but most row in same direction great people in Denmark and Sweden....

 

[Nohow]

You learn respect and responsibility. There's a purpose, caring and giving to others. Your perspective would be completely different and for the better.
I can give many examples and reasons.

Forced Military---read my posts and understand them please. I would take a persona and then have them do a job that maps to them in our country, build a bridge, guard a gate, help in a hospital etc. The difference being--uniforms (for the purpose of not judging others) Timeliness, work ethic, teamwork, discipline, leadership, having a purpose. I can go on.

Indoctrination when I use it "the purpose of teaching a process"

Our society--is the best in the world and everyone wants to go to America. Internally we all ROW in different directions though--not in your small towns, or small states that many people dont pass thru like Massachusetts (5M people) mostly row in same direction--but in our Transient cities (most of our population lives) its everyone for themselves and thats were most of our problems exist.

Since when is it the military’s or government’s job to indoctrinate anyone? Who are you to impose your twisted values on others? Your bias against certain parts of the country is palpable. The strength of our country is its diversity. You want an enforced autocracy complete with uniforms.

 

[Nohow]

Thanks....Yes and I have been to 2 of those countries. 3-5.5M in populations. (still have some liberal lifestyles lol.....but most row in same direction great people in Denmark and Sweden....

I agree but the difference is they don’t “indoctrinate”.

 

[FTLPSU]

Since when is it the military’s or government’s job to indoctrinate anyone? Who are you to impose your twisted values on others? Your bias against certain parts of the country is palpable. The strength of our country is its diversity. You want an enforced autocracy complete with uniforms.

Its not the country's job....I am someone with a great diverse background who is objective and has perspective is all and wants everyone to be happy and successful. My bias is what I see everyday....driving seeing an Ambulance not able to get thru traffic cuz people dont move and continue to drive when they know the should "Make a Hole"....the guy in first class slowly taking off his jacket when boarding the plane and we are all waiting for him to get settled before we sit down OR last one--when a hurricane comes through and some of your Neighbors who dont have Impact windows need help putting up shutters and other neighbors dont help cuz they are lazy lol...I can go on. The strength in our Country is diversity Agree 100% why we are the greatest country...(Global Polls prove that why everyone wants to come here). Uniforms for the same reasons sports teams wear them. I would prefer Canali or Zegna like I wear when doing business.

So, I voted for Obama in 08' OBJECTIVE & Open Minded
Never did a Drug or Smoked in my life but think we should 100% legalize Marijuana OBJECTIVE & Open Minded
Pro Choice. I dont think these things would come from twisted values?


Remember their are 4-stages to a lifecycle Birth-Growth-Maturity-Declination this applies to everything--ur life, ur job, James Franklins time at PSU etc...our country and its Generations why this thread started....we arent the same country-IMHO we are in the Maturity stage.

I am Tough love is all and a solution guy-just want what is best for all.

 

[Nitt1300]

Since when is it the military’s or government’s job to indoctrinate anyone? Who are you to impose your twisted values on others? Your bias against certain parts of the country is palpable. The strength of our country is its diversity. You want an enforced autocracy complete with uniforms.

I don't, but I do favor mandatory service. Too many people in this country want rights without responsibility. The anti-vaxxers are one example, but there are many-and they are on both sides of our political divide. Doing something for our country teaches you something about responsibility to others.

 

[FTLPSU]

I agree but the difference is they don’t “indoctrinate”.

When I say indoctrination I think you view it as brainwashing....lol when a recruit starts his football career at Penn State or any school for that matter, he is being indoctrinated into the team, culture, practice schedules, uniforms to wear, playbooks, meal plans and time, (Brandon Ware-you got to loose some weight kid to start) thats indoctrination.

When I apply it to this thread about the GenZs and soon to come Gen Alphas its 3 months of waking up at a predetermined time every morning and going to bed at a predetermined time. Eating 3 meals all fixed times (guess what no snacking or eating crap) LOL...I can go on....I think you get it now?