New NCAA proposal
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NCAA: You CANNOT pay players!!
Schools: We are going to form a new commission.
NCAA: You CAN pay players!!
Schools: We are going to form a new commission.
NCAA: You CAN pay players!!
I think we'd be in, but dangit, that is quite possibly the worst of all worlds because:
1. You have no salary cap.
2. We're combining capitalism with mandatory gender-driven socialism so that for every $1 million QB, you'll get a $1 million WBB center (or softball pitcher or the equivalent talent increase spread across multiple positions)
meaning that
1. The teams dominating football will just dominate even more sports
2. You'll create this artificial buoyancy for collegiate women's sports where that becomes the pinnacle of their careers and money-making potential
Note that I'm not against the positive cash flow for the girls...I'm just against the ripple effects that will make a repeat of our Schaefer-era success that much more difficult, and potentially have some really odd effects on women's sports in general.
ETA: I would think impact #1 would be school's dropping down to the minimum number of sports so that they can maximize their NIL-per-player.
1. You have no salary cap.
2. We're combining capitalism with mandatory gender-driven socialism so that for every $1 million QB, you'll get a $1 million WBB center (or softball pitcher or the equivalent talent increase spread across multiple positions)
meaning that
1. The teams dominating football will just dominate even more sports
2. You'll create this artificial buoyancy for collegiate women's sports where that becomes the pinnacle of their careers and money-making potential
Note that I'm not against the positive cash flow for the girls...I'm just against the ripple effects that will make a repeat of our Schaefer-era success that much more difficult, and potentially have some really odd effects on women's sports in general.
ETA: I would think impact #1 would be school's dropping down to the minimum number of sports so that they can maximize their NIL-per-player.
Rough math. Football, basketball, baseball, minor sports. Roughly 160 schollies for men. Double that to account for title whine. 320. 320 X $30k = $9.6 large.
SEC money distribution for each school in 2021-22: $49.9 large.
We’re in.
SEC Announces 2021-22 revenue distribution - Southeastern Conference
Southeastern Conference Commissioner Greg Sankey announces that $721.8 million of total revenue was divided among the SEC's 14 universities for the 2021-22 fiscal year.
www.secsports.com
How the 17 is this fair:
The new subdivision will remain under the umbrella of the NCAA, and its members will continue to compete for NCAA championships with others in Division I. Under the proposal, the NCAA maintains oversight of the existing national championship model across all Division I sports, except FBS football, which continues to operate under the rubric of the College Football Playoff, Baker writes in the letter.
Teams inside the subdivision still compete against teams not in the subdivision? That makes zero sense.
The new subdivision will remain under the umbrella of the NCAA, and its members will continue to compete for NCAA championships with others in Division I. Under the proposal, the NCAA maintains oversight of the existing national championship model across all Division I sports, except FBS football, which continues to operate under the rubric of the College Football Playoff, Baker writes in the letter.
Teams inside the subdivision still compete against teams not in the subdivision? That makes zero sense.
I swear I did a double take when I read the phrase "nipple effects" in this post. My bad.
Fine for a regular season game but not for championships, unless the lesser one chooses that. And that article is way too ambiguous to see what's really going on.
Anyone have an address where I can send an MSU swag bag to the Saudis? ***
To answer your question, I'm sure we'd elect to be in, because that's what we always do - follow the leader, like lambs to slaughter. But we really need to look hard at the financials.
That’s exactly what’s going to happen.
If we’re talking subdivision championships, they’re always between the teams in that subdivision who may play outside it in the regular season.
Of course we are in. But this is just something to try to prevent further lawsuits and try to shut athletes up. It won’t rid us of pay for play collectives.
IF this were to rid of us for pay-to-play collectives, i.e., the schools sign exclusive NIL deals with the students, this could turn into a net positive.
While there's no salary cap, schools like us could choose to go easy on payments for a couple of signing classes, then go "all in" for a year or two.
Ideally, the immediate eligibility of today's transfer portal would also be nixed.
It's still nowhere near what we'd all love college athletics to be, but it could be better than where we are, and definitely better than where we're currently headed.
While there's no salary cap, schools like us could choose to go easy on payments for a couple of signing classes, then go "all in" for a year or two.
Ideally, the immediate eligibility of today's transfer portal would also be nixed.
It's still nowhere near what we'd all love college athletics to be, but it could be better than where we are, and definitely better than where we're currently headed.
Title IX is about to bop the current system of collectives on the head.....
Oregon Title IX Lawsuit Puts NIL Collectives in Crosshairs
Sex discrimination case filed by beach volleyball players and club rowers is the first to seek damages for gender discrepancies beyond athletic aid.
www.sportico.com
Unsurprising.Title IX is about to bop the current system of collectives on the head.....
Oregon Title IX Lawsuit Puts NIL Collectives in Crosshairs
Sex discrimination case filed by beach volleyball players and club rowers is the first to seek damages for gender discrepancies beyond athletic aid.
And they can make the argument that the collectives are quasi-administrative functions of university entities.
(Not saying it’ll be successful— but the argument is enough to ensure money for legal folks)
That probably just shifts the collectives actions to the university and it all becomes the same thing under a different umbrella. I just don’t know how you get around all that.
You have to have caps. The trust fund thing is wonky, but giving the universities ability to pay (with caps) and eliminating collectives is the only one it will be sustainable for a majority of the schools in the current p5. Hell, even LSU is having a hard time sustaining their NIL commitments they have initially made.
So, you're more of a lead role in a cage type over a walk on part in the war type?
That will get thrown out. Can't tell a private collective what to do with their money.Title IX is about to bop the current system of collectives on the head.....
Oregon Title IX Lawsuit Puts NIL Collectives in Crosshairs
Sex discrimination case filed by beach volleyball players and club rowers is the first to seek damages for gender discrepancies beyond athletic aid.
Might change the way collectives operate, though.
Depends on if the war can actually be won, and what the consequences are for not fighting the war, and being put in the cage.
In other words, can we win championships in the cage, and will the money we get from the cage for all that is needed to win those championships. And what type of money do we get from being in the war and not winning it?
Are you suggesting we should not follow the trends and just accept becoming Southern Miss?
I'd prefer a real strategy to survive in the new FBS, and I imagine the financials work out there. But no doubt we will be the bottom of the barrel in that division.
Absent Fed Legislation there is no way to legally cap NIL. I also don’t know how you could police eliminating collectives.
Hence why federal legislation is the only way something that is reasonably close to an amateurism model survives, but maybe it wont and nobody cares if it does.
I'm wondering the same thing, but I wonder if the idea is that there'd be benefits to remaining in current division that aren't being explained yet. For example, new transfer rules that would only allow immediate play for a kid transferring within the new sub-division. Meanwhile, if Georgia tries to take a transfer from a school that remains in the old division, they have to sit out a year.
I don't know if that's even legal at this stage of the game, but my suspicion is that the whole idea around this is that the schools that want to operate as professional franchises will be free(er) to do so, but there will be some sort of new protections in place for schools that stick to the current rules.
Out of sheer curiosity, I wonder how much cash Olivia Dunne is sharing with fellow men gymnasts? Or does that not count because... well, we know exactly whyTitle IX is about to bop the current system of collectives on the head.....
Oregon Title IX Lawsuit Puts NIL Collectives in Crosshairs
Sex discrimination case filed by beach volleyball players and club rowers is the first to seek damages for gender discrepancies beyond athletic aid.
Right. But this proposal from Baker doesn’t do any of that. It’s just hand waiving to stifle lawsuits as best possible.
I noticed this piece in the AP reporting:
Baker’s proposal is aimed at creating a new subdivision where schools in the so-called Power Five conferences — the Big Ten, Southeastern Conference, Big 12, Atlantic Coast Conference and Pac-12 — can operate. Conference realignment starting in 2024 will move the Pac-12 out of that group.
Baker noted that athletic budgets in Division I range from $5 million and $250 million annually, with 59 schools spending over $100 million annually and another 32 spending over $50 million. He said 259 Division I schools, however, spend less than $50 million on their athletic programs.
Mississippi State is currently in a Power 5 and is in the $100 Million+ group, so by all measures would be in the group.
Baker’s proposal is aimed at creating a new subdivision where schools in the so-called Power Five conferences — the Big Ten, Southeastern Conference, Big 12, Atlantic Coast Conference and Pac-12 — can operate. Conference realignment starting in 2024 will move the Pac-12 out of that group.
Baker noted that athletic budgets in Division I range from $5 million and $250 million annually, with 59 schools spending over $100 million annually and another 32 spending over $50 million. He said 259 Division I schools, however, spend less than $50 million on their athletic programs.
Mississippi State is currently in a Power 5 and is in the $100 Million+ group, so by all measures would be in the group.
It would be an election in. Boise St could be in if they want. And if you are in the P4 you are either in or you will not be in the conference.
What a crazy world…the NCAA will be nice enough to allow people to create their own policies. How nice of them…why are they even needed then?
The new rules would also create a trust fund for athletes at the richest tier of athletic departments and allow each of those schools to create its own set of rules for recruiting, transfers, roster size and a wide range of other policies. From ESPN article. https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ses-rule-let-schools-athletes-enter-nil-deals
The new rules would also create a trust fund for athletes at the richest tier of athletic departments and allow each of those schools to create its own set of rules for recruiting, transfers, roster size and a wide range of other policies. From ESPN article. https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ses-rule-let-schools-athletes-enter-nil-deals
For the other 133 D1 teams and the G5 teams? And the D2 and D3 teams?
This whole deal, whether it's under the NCAA or the CFP committee (and if it even happens) is basically only about 12% of the NCAA programs (80 P5 teams / 667 NCAA teams over D1 to D3).
I think it would have to revolve around:
1. The athletes' contracts with the schools would have to be exclusive.
2. Any athlete that accepts anything from anyone besides their school is immediately ineligible.
I think both those items are practical if there are no caps. If there's a cap, well, then you've created a situation where schools are incentivized to cheat, all of a sudden we need an enforcement arm, etc., and we've started coming full circle.
Genuine point to consider as NIL collective money should go both ways, regardless of who is the top draw for funding at a school.
With that said...I am not informed on the situation, but if Dunne's money comes from private groups she signs sponsorship agreements with(Vuori for example), is that equal to an NIL collective that works directly as part of an athletic department's recruiting and funding arm?
I see NIL deals from sponsorship, businesses, etc as distinctly different from NIL money that is managed by an official collective and dispersed just for players signing/playing at a school.
Article says it’s open to D1 to adopt. I get that not all D1 conferences would be able to afford to play with the P4 conferences, however, there might be some smaller schools like Liberty or somebody that wants to pay. I’m not a fan.
I mean yes and no. This is why the universities can’t pay or direct players to be paid.Title IX is about to bop the current system of collectives on the head.....
Oregon Title IX Lawsuit Puts NIL Collectives in Crosshairs
Sex discrimination case filed by beach volleyball players and club rowers is the first to seek damages for gender discrepancies beyond athletic aid.
I just want my NCAA football game to finally be released with names.
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