Official PSU - Minnesota Whiteout game thread

[marshall23]

Don't be so hard on yourself. I think I can educate you a teeny bit. If you're willing.

Why would that have been hard for me to watch? I'm one of the guys railing on the never-Franklins. I predicted we'd whoop these guys, even if their starting QB was healthy and Clifford and others didn't play.

Believe it or not, sparkles, you can support a program, and a coach, and still point out when and where they made mistakes. You don't have to be a stan, stomping your feet and crying that you can never question a coach because coaching is so dang hard ... which is why PE teachers are so prevalent in coaching - because that's where all our great (sports) minds go. There's a happy medium between the "Franklin must go" crew who criticize everything he does, and doesn't do ... and the "Don't be mean to my snookums! He's trying!" crew helmed by you.

If your name is Moogy, you have enough problems to deal with. Calling a division one coach a gym teacher reveals you to be the misanthrope I suspected you were at first blush. I'm not hard on myself, but I'll bet that's the only way you've ever experienced it.
Now I can ignore you moron.

 

[Moogy]

If your name is Moogy, you have enough problems to deal with. Calling a division one coach a gym teacher reveals you to be the misanthrope I suspected you were at first blush. I'm not hard on myself, but I'll bet that's the only way you've ever experienced it.
Now I can ignore you moron.

Yeah, my real name is Moogy. You nailed it. And I totally called a D1 HC a gym teacher. No wonder you stick to just continually screaming out "you can't question coaches ... ever!" You have nothing. Oh, and by the way, Franklin has a psych degree from ESU ... without coaching, you're looking at a future gym teacher (if he was even qualified for that). And, yes, I still support him as PSU's HC.

 

[Ludd]

Great. So what’s wrong with wanting to be one of the top 3 or 4 teams annually with a top 3 or 4 coach?

First of all, it takes more than the coach. Secondly, we can want to be whatever we want, but getting “that” coach to get us there likely isn’t going to happen since only a few schools have been able to accomplish it. We weren’t one of those schools back when we had the winningest coach in college football once we joined the Big 10, so what makes you think we can get there now?

 

[BiochemPSU]

No, you play whichever QB gives you the best chance to get win 11 in your scenario.

Not what I said. Take my posts to your local optometrist and have him go over it with you.

You sound like the coaching staff at times - more concerned with the recruiting side than the actual playing-the-games side.

There is definitely a balance, but I think we all know why Saban didn't turn MSU into Alabama. Doubtful it was because his coaching genius wasn't fully developed at that point. And if "actual playing the game side" is the issue, we have a 6th year QB. How much more "actual playing" do you want out of the most important position on the field? We have more actual playing at the QB position than any PSU team in history and can't keep it within a TD of Michigan. And if playing side of the ball is truly what matters the most, then Allar absolutely should have played this year since we finally recruited the high-end kid and he has no "actual" experience going forward.

Let's have a pool to see how many games it will take next year for the resident Allar fan club members to turn on him.
Playing is a terrible thing to do to an icon.

If that happens (like you seem to want it to, which is odd considering you are a supposed PSU fan), did you put him in the best chance to succeed? Instead of having a few games or quarters under his belt, you throw him out cold. I swear some of you want him to fail... and that helps PSU how exactly? "The #1 HS QB failed at PSU" sounds like a great marketing pitch to have to recruit against. That works at OSU because they just bring in another lower rated kid to play alongside their 10 other 5 star recruits. We don't have that luxury. Anyway, it sounds like you will enjoy watching Allar succeed or fail so I guess you win either way.

 

[PSUJam]

Not what I said. Take my posts to your local optometrist and have him go over it with you.

There is definitely a balance, but I think we all know why Saban didn't turn MSU into Alabama. Doubtful it was because his coaching genius wasn't fully developed at that point. And if "actual playing the game side" is the issue, we have a 6th year QB. How much more "actual playing" do you want out of the most important position on the field? We have more actual playing at the QB position than any PSU team in history and can't keep it within a TD of Michigan. And if playing side of the ball is truly what matters the most, then Allar absolutely should have played this year since we finally recruited the high-end kid and he has no "actual" experience going forward.

If that happens (like you seem to want it to, which is odd considering you are a supposed PSU fan), did you put him in the best chance to succeed? Instead of having a few games or quarters under his belt, you throw him out cold. I swear some of you want him to fail... and that helps PSU how exactly? "The #1 HS QB failed at PSU" sounds like a great marketing pitch to have to recruit against. That works at OSU because they just bring in another lower rated kid to play alongside their 10 other 5 star recruits. We don't have that luxury. Anyway, it sounds like you will enjoy watching Allar succeed or fail so I guess you win either way.

Sean Clifford stats from last night

23-31 295 yards and 4 TD

 

[BiochemPSU]

Sean Clifford stats from last night

23-31 295 yards and 4 TD

Now post his Michigan stats from last week (I'll help, 7-19 for 120 yards). Again, I did not say take him out forever and never play him again. I said to starting giving Allar a chance to get some highlights on film. Generate some excitement for next year with portal and HS recruits. There is literally no downside to that. None.

And I am happy for Sean. He played well.

 

[BobPSU92]

We don't recruit better and better players. Franklin recruits them. Funny how some fail to think this through.
So basically, if he were a lousy recruiter.....with the same record, he'd be a good coach.

You were a coach. I’m sure you know that when a coach has good players, the team is basically on cruise control. It’s easy. Light practices just to stay limber. Keep them healthy. Make sure they eat and sleep. On game day, just make sure that the players arrive on time. Then step back and enjoy the spectacle. Easy peasy.

 

[1995PSUGrad]

Yup it happens. You're right. But the OP said the receiver fell down, he fell down while trying to adjust to a poorly thrown ball. He was open and would have scored. It was one throw and overall Clifford did have a good game. PS benefited from several questionable calls and no calls as well. Nice win. I hope this Saturday they play better than expected.

I agree with you comment about the pass interference calls. I wasn't at the game but on tv it looked like we got away with a few and at least 1 very blatant offensive hold. As surprised as I was about being getting away with a few, I was probably more surprised that the announcers didn't comment at all on several of the calls.

 

[PSUJam]

Now post his Michigan stats from last week (I'll help, 7-19 for 120 yards). Again, I did not say take him out forever and never play him again. I said to starting giving Allar a chance to get some highlights on film. Generate some excitement for next year with portal and HS recruits. There is literally no downside to that. None.

And I am happy for Sean. He played well.

I think he should play some as well like at the end of the Michigan game. What were Allar's stats last week? (I'll help, 5-10 for 37 yards 3.7 ypc) That'll really generate some excitement for next year.

There's a time and a place, and I agree I would have liked it to be earlier in the 4th last night. If you want him and Sean to switch every other series, you're nuts.

 

[Midnighter]

I think he should play some as well like at the end of the Michigan game. What were Allar's stats last week? (I'll help, 5-10 for 37 yards 3.7 ypc) That'll really generate some excitement for next year.

There's a time and a place, and I agree I would have liked it to be earlier in the 4th last night. If you want him and Sean to switch every other series, you're nuts.

I thought Allar came in at an appropriate time last night. Leaving some things mysterious is a good thing. People hear the whispers, they see his size and arm in warm ups…no need to reveal everything just for the sake of doing so. I thought Clifford played pretty well and am happy his receivers really stepped up. Lots there to like.

 

[BiochemPSU]

I think he should play some as well like at the end of the Michigan game. What were Allar's stats last week? (I'll help, 5-10 for 37 yards 3.7 ypc) That'll really generate some excitement for next year.

There's a time and a place, and I agree I would have liked it to be earlier in the 4th last night. If you want him and Sean to switch every other series, you're nuts.

I must be taking crazy pills. No one said that, literally no one. I said give him a half or a few quarters of the game against some of our upcoming opponents. Good grief.

Are you really going to try to compare what Allar did in garbage time against Michigan to what Sean, a 6 year veteran, did against them for 3/4 of a game? Let's have a little intellectual honesty here.

 

[PSUJam]

I must be taking crazy pills. No one said that, literally no one. I said give him a half or a few quarters of the game against some of our upcoming opponents. Good grief.

Are you really going to try to compare what Allar did in garbage time against Michigan to what Sean, a 6 year veteran, did against them for 3/4 of a game? Let's have a little intellectual honesty here.

If we beat tOSU this week every decision should be made to try to win the B1G championship.

 

[PSUAVLNC]

I agree with you comment about the pass interference calls. I wasn't at the game but on tv it looked like we got away with a few and at least 1 very blatant offensive hold. As surprised as I was about being getting away with a few, I was probably more surprised that the announcers didn't comment at all on several of the calls.

All I was saying is PS might have caught a break or two and that’s all. I thought they looked great and was happy to see it. Loved the tight end work over the middle. I wasn't being negative or critical. Some of the attack responses were a little surprising. But, that’s the way things are on a message board I guess. Hope PS “shocks the world” next week.

 

[BiochemPSU]

If we beat tOSU this week every decision should be made to try to win the B1G championship.

That I agree with.

 

[marshall23]

Not what I said. Take my posts to your local optometrist and have him go over it with you.

There is definitely a balance, but I think we all know why Saban didn't turn MSU into Alabama. Doubtful it was because his coaching genius wasn't fully developed at that point. And if "actual playing the game side" is the issue, we have a 6th year QB. How much more "actual playing" do you want out of the most important position on the field? We have more actual playing at the QB position than any PSU team in history and can't keep it within a TD of Michigan. And if playing side of the ball is truly what matters the most, then Allar absolutely should have played this year since we finally recruited the high-end kid and he has no "actual" experience going forward.

If that happens (like you seem to want it to, which is odd considering you are a supposed PSU fan), did you put him in the best chance to succeed? Instead of having a few games or quarters under his belt, you throw him out cold. I swear some of you want him to fail... and that helps PSU how exactly? "The #1 HS QB failed at PSU" sounds like a great marketing pitch to have to recruit against. That works at OSU because they just bring in another lower rated kid to play alongside their 10 other 5 star recruits. We don't have that luxury. Anyway, it sounds like you will enjoy watching Allar succeed or fail so I guess you win either way.

Enjoy watching....that's what a fan does.....I don't try to coach PSU.

 

[marshall23]

You were a coach. I’m sure you know that when a coach has good players, the team is basically on cruise control. It’s easy. Light practices just to stay limber. Keep them healthy. Make sure they eat and sleep. On game day, just make sure that the players arrive on time. Then step back and enjoy the spectacle. Easy peasy.

In 1984 we had our best season 10-0. Every day at practice I had a team vote to see what the guys wanted to do. Usually we played tennis and then hit the pool after it was vacated (by the swim team). On game day I had the parents suggest plays and we put them in a hat. One of my assistants would pick one out at a time and run the play. We were sure to play everyone an equal amount.....since I didn't want to be accused of not giving a kid "a chance."

 

[marshall23]

Not what I said. Take my posts to your local optometrist and have him go over it with you.

There is definitely a balance, but I think we all know why Saban didn't turn MSU into Alabama. Doubtful it was because his coaching genius wasn't fully developed at that point. And if "actual playing the game side" is the issue, we have a 6th year QB. How much more "actual playing" do you want out of the most important position on the field? We have more actual playing at the QB position than any PSU team in history and can't keep it within a TD of Michigan. And if playing side of the ball is truly what matters the most, then Allar absolutely should have played this year since we finally recruited the high-end kid and he has no "actual" experience going forward.

If that happens (like you seem to want it to, which is odd considering you are a supposed PSU fan), did you put him in the best chance to succeed? Instead of having a few games or quarters under his belt, you throw him out cold. I swear some of you want him to fail... and that helps PSU how exactly? "The #1 HS QB failed at PSU" sounds like a great marketing pitch to have to recruit against. That works at OSU because they just bring in another lower rated kid to play alongside their 10 other 5 star recruits. We don't have that luxury. Anyway, it sounds like you will enjoy watching Allar succeed or fail so I guess you win either way.

Just to be clear....I hope Allar is a Heisman Winner. My remarks are intended to predict the behavior of resident fanboys.
They worship the player that hasn't played and the coach from somewhere else. Because no one plays or coaches a perfect game. So it's only a matter of time after Drew becomes "the man" until our fanboys will get wet between the thighs over another shiny object.
Also, I do think it's a disgrace the way some fans have treated Cliff.

 

[rudedude]

Didn’t read the entire thread too many posts and I was at the game. I want to comment that the beer sales situation is a cluster (and no I didn’t buy any). Our seats are in EJU and this was also reported around the other spots in the stadium. The lines for beer were whacko and lots of rude SOBs waiting for their overpriced swill were giving us fans, who were trying to access the ramps to our seats, a hard time about letting us cut through them to get to the ramp. Lots of attitude and a guy and his young son who sat next to us said some a**holes even pushed his young son! WTF! They wanna sell beer then do it right and don’t block access to seat ramps as well as bathrooms. Also rude MFers will need to be dealt with. Probably worse for the Whiteout but p*** poor planning from the vendor and PSU.

 

[WVilleLion]

Didn’t read the entire thread too many posts and I was at the game. I want to comment that the beer sales situation is a cluster (and no I didn’t buy any). Our seats are in EJU and this was also reported around the other spots in the stadium. The lines for beer were whacko and lots of rude SOBs waiting for their overpriced swill were giving us fans, who were trying to access the ramps to our seats, a hard time about letting us cut through them to get to the ramp. Lots of attitude and a guy and his young son who sat next to us said some a**holes even pushed his young son! WTF! They wanna sell beer then do it right and don’t block access to seat ramps as well as bathrooms. Also rude MFers will need to be dealt with. Probably worse for the Whiteout but p*** poor planning from the vendor and PSU.

Sadly plenty of our fans are rude MFers even without alcohol.

 

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[81BandW]

No, it’s marketing for recruits for the next three years. The kid has a ton of hype. We have highlights for the two freshman RBs, but not him. Get the hose on tape as I have recently heard it said. When we are 10-2 with two bad losses and we get a new year 6 bowl with hours of TV coverage to lure recruits, you need the future to be front and center. No one is coming to play with Clifford, even if they wanted to. Allar needs to be there when the bowls start, because like it or not he already is your present and future recruiting barometer.

The problem there is, their are not many highlights from him so far