I presented that Joe had teams that were great from 2005 on and I was told he didn’t. He had 3 teams that had 1 loss from 2005-2011 and Franklin hasn’t. The last sentence is a fact. So you can tear Joe down all you want to make your self feel great. Have a good day.
So Joe stayed too long. I don't disagree with that. Would the facilities been renovated any sooner had he left in, say. 2005? How about assistant coaching salaries? In 2011, were PSU assistants making demonstrably less than their counterparts elsewhere? If so, did Joe stand in the way of that being adjusted subsequently?The points are there and I posted them, you're just too lazy to click on the number 3 and scroll for a minute to find them. You asked to see them, they are there.
A little helpful advice - NEVER compare Paterno to Bryant. Just like he always did with Joe, the Bear will kick your *** every time. I could provide a long list of reasons but you can find them yourself in the record books.
Joe had more undefeated seasons and 100 more wins than bear. That is national. Have a nice day. Joe is to psu what bear is to Bama. What Bowden is to fsu. Etc
Those other programs and coaches didn't have half the issues PSU did when both OB and JF took over. Joe stopped trying to keep up with everyone else on and off the field. We had a party on this site when Joe honored the PSU world with skyping with the #1 recruit in the nation at the time in Pryor. He couldn't be bothered with email when 99% of the other coaches were jumping into that pool. He was on cruise control and some things other than football became a priority to him later on in life....which is normal. Most of which were great things...library, grad rates, charity work. All admirable but that doesn't fly in modern college football. He did a ton of good, but from a soley football aspect, he didn't leave PSU where he had it built up to in the mid 80's.
Eleven years to fix the problems and they're still Joe's fault? Kiss my ***.
Joe's reputation is a steaming pile of crap, which you would know if you ever discussed this with people that know CFB beyond PSU.
I’m not sure which school you went to but your hatred for psu is noted.
Oh lord Barry, you still haven't learned to SFU when you should. Carry on.
Didn’t they lose by 28 points? It wasn’t even that close and nobody picked them to win. Also, 10 years ago.
No that is all you heard though because like I said your idol gets any criticism and you pout. Sorry I knew you couldn't handle hearing it. 11 years...with sanctions through 3-4 of them, national stink all over the program that was already in decline, but you want to pretend he left it at the top of the hill and it was picture perfect. You can shovel your BS to some of the others who never saw any of his faults and they'll buy it, but I won't. It doesn't mean this current HC and staff cannot do better or OB was perfect...there is no such thing.
I’ll sell you my ‘82 and ‘86 commemorative national championship Coca-Cola bottles … if that will make you feel better.
We get it already: Chrome Dome can't get it done so blame it on the dead guy.
Who is we? You have a shadow you are talking for? There is really no difference between Joe's final decade+ than under Franklin currently, but man.....I don't recall you carrying on like this back then because you weren't. PSU wasn't elite then, they aren't now either. I'm not the one carrying on pretending one was perfect and the other wasn't. It would be one thing if you could refute anything I said about the state of the program....but you didn't and maybe you and your friend you keep including can figure that out. Go after Franklin, get him out, I'm sure you have all figured out and they just aren't listening to you. You knew he was a bad hire and know who the next guy needs to be....but damn it they won't listen.
I count 42 wins for Franklin, not 44 (11, 11, 9, 11). Franklin played 14 games in 2016, and 13 games in the other 3 seasons. Paterno played 12 games per season from 1993-1995 and 13 in 1996. During that period from 1993-1996, Paterno won 45 games, better than Franklin and in fewer games. From 2005 to 2009, Paterno won 51 games. From 2015-2019, Franklin won 49 games. Joe was well past his prime for a lot of his years in the Big 10, but Franklin is in his prime. Joe‘s record from 1968 to 1974 was great…11-0, 11-0, 7-3, 11-1, 10-2, 12-0, 10-2. In the 9 year period from 1978 thru 1986, Joe played for the National Championship 4 times and won twice. He won 3 Big 10 championships. I was hopeful that PSU would get a coach like Joe in his prime, not past his prime.
I think people wanted a coach that was like Joe in his prime, not Joe in his later years. People groaned at the end of Joe‘s career, but Joe had earned the right to stay. Franklin hasn’t earned that respect. He hasn’t done for PSU what Joe did.Who is we? You have a shadow you are talking for? There is really no difference between Joe's final decade+ than under Franklin currently, but man.....I don't recall you carrying on like this back then because you weren't. PSU wasn't elite then, they aren't now either. I'm not the one carrying on pretending one was perfect and the other wasn't. It would be one thing if you could refute anything I said about the state of the program....but you didn't and maybe you and your friend you keep including can figure that out. Go after Franklin, get him out, I'm sure you have all figured out and they just aren't listening to you. You knew he was a bad hire and know who the next guy needs to be....but damn it they won't listen.
Who is we? You have a shadow you are talking for? There is really no difference between Joe's final decade+ than under Franklin currently, but man.....I don't recall you carrying on like this back then because you weren't. PSU wasn't elite then, they aren't now either. I'm not the one carrying on pretending one was perfect and the other wasn't. It would be one thing if you could refute anything I said about the state of the program....but you didn't and maybe you and your friend you keep including can figure that out. Go after Franklin, get him out, I'm sure you have all figured out and they just aren't listening to you. You knew he was a bad hire and know who the next guy needs to be....but damn it they won't listen.
I have them also, Wonder what Coke tastes like after that amount of time.
Agreed. College football is certainly not the same. And it didn't need to happen this way. May be wrong, but I blame the NCAA.
Can't argue too much with that as yet from a win/loss perspective. That said, I'll always respect his referencing Joe as the "Great" Joe Paterno in his opening press conference. I'll also remain indebted to him for restoring tradition by removing the names from the uniforms. Seemed like a couple of thinly veiled shots at the BOT, something O'Brien would never have done. Also, he does seem to keep his players from off the field distractions.
But Joe also had the first 21 years of his career. And that is what people hoped Franklin might be able to do. Joe led Penn State’s march to its first Natty. It was a special time, and it took a lot of effort to break through. It made people feel good. If you didn’t experience it, you don’t understand it. That’s missing now.
Wow, I’m speechless. All that hate. The record books disagree with you…Joe was a great coach.
What are the built-in advantage and traditions O$U has that PSU does not?
LOL. You‘re too uptight. On the edge all the time. Loosen up, have a drink. This is for fun.
That‘s fair, but he was an Ivy League grad. He had a great football mind. He overcame a lot of obstacles to make Penn State great. In his day, he was a great recruiter. He was considered an innovator. He believed that athletes should be paid at a time it was not legal to do. He had a great will to win. And he was highly successful. I’d bet on him to be a winner today.
Coaches like Joe in his prime don't grow on trees and PSU hasn't been "elite" in a long time. Some people cannot hear that for some reason. The program right now is no different today than it was in Joe's last 15 years. Well except two down years were 6-6 and 7-6 versus 4 losing seasons in 5 years. If people want to pony up the cash and try something new....by all means have at it, but those of us living in reality know that isn't occurring. I was simply pointing out not much has really changed at PSU from a football standpoint.
I think PSU should get "Joe in his prime." Where is he, who is he?
Oh I don’t know Marshall. I take back everything I said. I’m totally wrong about what I and others hoped for. You win again! You’re so smart. I now see the error of my ways. I’ll never think that way again. Shame on me.
Joe was in my opinion the greatest coach/educator of all time. He was in fact, an innovator and creative. He found the will and the way to take PSU to the top in perhaps 5 or 6 seasons.
But....but...but we agree. People wanted Joe. If indeed they got Joe back, they'd want Jesus Christ to replace him.
Perhaps you should get out and about more. The hatred others have for us assbeats the hatred we have for ourselves.
Sign me up too, not sure why about 15-20 schools aren't trying for that. Auburn, Neb, OU, Texas, Miami, UF, FSU.......and the list goes on and on.
We live in an era where people....as my Father would say, "have more money than brains."
I misread your remark. I’m sorry for that. We do agree. I didn’t want replacement of Joe. I left PSU in 1989. With Joe on the sideline until 2011, it felt like I never left PSU. It was a great feeling for me. I can’t really explain it. My time at PSU was special and he was a big part of it. I wasn’t on the team, but his effect went further. It went to the entire school. His confidence, his determination. He was a role model. I’m probably very tough on Franklin because of Joe.
I have one additional point. The game of football changed from the 1960s to the mid 1990s. How do you explain Joe’s ability to adapt and succeed over that period? Joe in his prime would succeed today. He was a winner. Go read Football My Way and you’ll get a small taste of his innovation.
Joe succeeding today, as you claim, still would not guarantee a NC for Penn State. I mean if CJF going 11-2 this season is not acceptable outcome, than a hypothetical Joe going 14-1 this season would not be acceptable either, if the ultimate goal is the NC.
