OT - Anyone else concerned that food doesn't go bad any more?
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A lot of food nowadays is made in a lab. Not real and not nutritious and in some cases extremely bad for our health. We need a complete reset soon as possible. For many reasons, but the fake foods, lot made with plastics and glues among other things, is a huge reason why we need a complete and total reset. Our health is not being looked out for by govt agencies or corporations involved in the process. They are the same people with the same beliefs that are not the same as ours. And they don’t eat that crap they have us making and selling to each other to eat for their profit Same in most industries. If you haven’t read what written on the Georgia guidestones before they were blown up, those will tell you their beliefs, and it all makes sense from there.
Yeah that’s true but African American life span is a lot less that white, Hispanic and Asian Americans.
lots of reasons for that. Health in general. Poor causing to eat like $h1t (even more of a reason to reform EBT). Crime. Etc.
Shocking that the democrats' penchant for eugenics is only brought up to criticize a democrat working with a republican administration.**
You mean that fat gene? Yes, it does exist but the best control would still be eating healthy and exercise. Nothing replaces it. Good luck doing so around here.
I don't think the fried food would do it without seed oils and even then, I think the role it plays in life expectancy is behind refined sugar. It's amazing that our diet isn't more detrimental. I think it really hits us harder in quality of life or health span or whatever you want to call it than in life expectancy. Our life expectancy is actually comparable or better when you control for ethnicity/national origin when comparing to other countries, I th ink we just spend more time feeling like **** and medicating ourselves while living a low quality of life.
I'd assume that obesity/lifespan is directly correlated with income/education. Any correlation amongst racial demographics would be due to that. Probably similar rates in the inner city projects and the meth quality trailer parks.
So you are on board with reforming EBT/food stamps so its easier for those poor people to eat healthy?
Those last few years of our long(er) lives are real ****** and expensive. We have a tug of war between healthcare that can keep us alive and a reliance on refined carbs/added sugars/low movement lifestyles that make us fat and try to kill us.
There's some good common sense ideas that RFK has on general health when it comes to diet. Using the government to invest in quality food supplies to make it easier for many people to make better food choices is one of those things. I can get behind that. It'll be interesting to see how that works out politically and practically in the current environment. Plus, I'm old enough to remember when Michelle Obama tried to improve school lunch food standards for our kids and she was more or less labeled a communist for it. Now the same folks want politicians to make America healthy again. Crazy world out there...
Out of curiosity, why would you assume that? Hard to disentangle culture and lifestyle from genetics in the US because there is so much marriage between groups, but it seems much more likely to me that genes play a big part in people of japanese descent living longer whether they are in Japan or the US. I think outside of asian cultures, you tend ot end up with "european" or "african" or maybe "slavic" or whatever pretty big group, but still seems like an at best 50/50 to me that there wouldn't be genetics based life expectancy differences even with relatively blurred grouping like that.
Hell yes. Anything that helps poor folks access quality clean food sources I am for. That's a good goal. Call the program whatever you want or reform whatever program exists however you need to - just hit those goals. 1) it's a decent thing to do and 2) it should have a return on investment with healthier poor people draining limited/expensive healthcare resources less on the back end of life.
I'd love to see EBT be worth more for healthier foods - i.e., if carrots or beans are normally $1/lb, make those items 75 cents a pound or something. Win-win for healthier Americans and farmers (obviously all of these healthier choices aren't American-made but you get the drift)
Wish more would get on board.
simple fix. No sodas, chips, sweets, etc with EBT card.
eggs
Raw meats
Vegetabls
Rice
Beans
Etc
all they gotta do is modify the current POS systems that already label things as EBT eligible.
You don’t even have to make it that complicated. Just make it where you can’t buy unhealthy things.
ent is for needs and not wants. You want a soda. You don’t need a soda.
Obesity in this country highest to lowest: black, Hispanic, white, Asian
Income levels in this country lowest to highest: black, Hispanic, white, Asian.
Pretty simple inference based on that and knowing that fresh clean unprocessed foods is more difficult/expensive to access than lower quality sugar bombs.
Surely genetics plays some kind of factor. Environment would have to be more otherwise we wouldn't be having a food quality discussion whatsoever. We'd just chalk it up to genes. The blue zones idea makes sense to me and those populations transcend regions/demographic.
Latinos have higher obesity rates than whites but live longer. Black women live longer than white men.
I had a patient that I diagnosed with lung cancer the other day fire me because I wouldn’t give her ivermectin to treat her cancer. She honestly believed that I was part of domestic vast conspiracy to keep this magic cure from the public. I really don’t get it.
We have healthy foods readily available at all supermarkets even at Walmart. It's not hard to find. Yet we have people looking into chem trails and people thinking RFK is someone special because he wants people to eat healthy and exercise, all reasonable advice, while ignoring the insane things he says.
I read a write-up about how "blue zones" might possibly just be places where recordings of births were/are lax. Kinda interesting.
Top researcher says 'Blue Zones' are based on FAKE birth certificates
The lifestyles of people in the 'Blue Zones' are said to hold the key to long, healthy lives. However, recent research has brought the theory under fire.
I don't know what the government can really do there realistically. Certainly excluding absolute trash from EBT eligibility like sodas and little debbie snacks would be helpful. I understand the concern with allowing the purchase of hot prepared foods, but if we're going to allow frozen dinners, the prepared foods seem to be no more expensive and probably much healthier. But generally, people (not just poor people but probably especially poor people on average) eat like **** because it's easy and it tastes good. It's really not hard once you get in the habit, but it takes a little bit of effort and time to eat something decently healthy compared to buying **** and eating it off the shelf, and effort and time is in short supply for a lot of people.
There is certainly a lot of knee jerk opposition to anything from the other side, but the way a lot of schools responded was reducing portion size and serving what was visually pretty pitiful plates. Plus there was the prohibition on whole milk, which was probably counter productive. The problem with that was it was a mandate from the federal level and people feeling like the funds didn't match the requirements of the mandates. I don't know how much of that was inefficiency on the schools parts versus actual inadequate funding, but generally, I would view school lunches like EBT expenditures. Even if it is wasteful, it's relatively efficient waste. Maybe not as efficient as EBT cards, but also more likely to do some good along with the waste.
The most surprising thing to me in that article is the obesity rates of japanese men. Still well below in the US, but US men's obesity rate is only about 7 percentage points higher than in Japan. But the obesity rate for women in the US is almost 20 percentage points higher. Women in the US are basically twice as (or 100% more) likely to be obese as Japanese women, but men in the US are only around 20% more likely to be obese.I read a write-up about how "blue zones" might possibly just be places where recordings of births were/are lax. Kinda interesting.
Top researcher says 'Blue Zones' are based on FAKE birth certificates
The lifestyles of people in the 'Blue Zones' are said to hold the key to long, healthy lives. However, recent research has brought the theory under fire.www.dailymail.co.uk
Y'all go be sure to tell the fat women you see that they are making the US look bad they really need to hit the gym if we're going to MAGA.**
You are missing an important point though: sometimes eager is better than cute
Oh it's a pseudo science no doubt. You can't quantity everything you need to as Johnson suggested earlier. Too many unclear data points My takeaway from it is that being surrounded by a good clean food supply and moving around more increases quality of life / life span. Passes the smell test for me. Sone regions of the world are blessed with abundance and it's just easy to access good healthy things - even by the poors. So controllable heath outcomes appears to be better there.I read a write-up about how "blue zones" might possibly just be places where recordings of births were/are lax. Kinda interesting.
Top researcher says 'Blue Zones' are based on FAKE birth certificates
The lifestyles of people in the 'Blue Zones' are said to hold the key to long, healthy lives. However, recent research has brought the theory under fire.
I think you're confused. Believing that genetics are real is not eugenics. No clue what you think eugenics is now after seeing your last two comments, but it's not that.
I'm glad you enjoyed your doctor's visit. Whatever your sexual kink is, as long as your partners' feelings are mutual, go for it.
But this is where you are getting it twisted...I'm simply pointing out the obvious lack of anything healthy about the last health czar. That's morbid obesity at its finest. Nothing healthy about him.
Well, obesity "causes" low earnings also. And low measured intelligence is also correlated with obesity and lower earnings. Lots of causation presumably going both ways on a lot different measurable characteristics. But we're basically in agreement. I would guess that environment plays a bigger role at this point simply because we have such terrible lifestyle habits, but I do think even if we could fix people's lifestyle there'd still likely be some measurable differences between different populations.
I don't think environment would have to be more for us to be having a food quality discussion. That's what we can control so we should be discussing it if we believe it has a meaningful impact.
Hell yes! A thread about food preservatives is slammed into a ditch by the ones wanting to eat all the preservatives for spite.
I try to eat natural, like the hostess apple pie. It has apples. Therefore it is healthy.
That patient sounds like a kook that was going to be a bad patient regardless, but I think the perception of doctors and nurses was hurt a lot during COVID. You had lots of government officials that you probably don't think of as a healthcare professional but the average person does think of as a health professional acting in bad faith and misleading people if not downright lying when they weren't taking asinine positions not backed up by science.
Then you had a bunch of 17ing idiot doctors and nurses promoting the george floyd riots a week after a lot of other doctors and nurses were promoting staying home "2 weeks" to flatten the curve. To somebody working in healthcare, of course it's easy for you to just say, yup, lot of 17ing morons in this field doing moron things. To a lot of lay people though, there was something of a mystique around being a doctor and to a lesser extent even a nurse. They assumed the basic intelligence it would take to get into and through medical school was generally a filter that ensured your least qualified doctor was still a highly intelligent and reasonable person. They see a bunch of morons on social media, and they don't look at the number of doctors out there and the small number acting like morons on social media and think, "those are the .1% of doctors that are morons; knew they had to be out there". Seeing 17ing idiots with an MD after their name shatters their assumptions about doctors and makes them more distrustful of the medical community as a whole.
I've got a few saved up wedged down in the seat crevices too. Just in case I get hungry and money's tight. Got my wrench ready to remove that seat and check the inventory.
This is another study reinforcing the claims about blue zones really being about being near water. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30044232/
I don't really believe it. I'm sure they at least tried to control for those factors, but I'm still guessing it's a combination of higher income people being able to afford living near green space/water features and the people valuing it the most being the people likely to walk to and around those features (hence the effect being driven by cardiovascular related issues, , plus random noise plus some other unidentified confounding vairables. But it sounds good and I certainly feel better around water, so maybe a lifetime of slight stress reduction has a cumulative effect.
Y'all go find somewhere near water to live after telling the women in your life they need to be less fat like Japanese women. Hopefully the mortality impacts of those actions will at least be no worse than offsetting.
I have some ideas but it won't be any meaningful problem solver. I guess the massive issue is the fact that this discussion even exists is a sad commentary on our welfare system/incentives provided top down and what sort of opportunity is out there for the economic bottom rung of society. Food subsidies should largely be a short term benefit for able bodied people in hard times. I shouldn't have to care if they are buying ding dongs from the gas station or carrots from a farmers market if it's a stop gap.
We've created a system that keeps you poor and reliant. Some of that is incentives provided by govt to stay poor and unemployed. Some of that is the crappiest jobs that the least prepared of us are qualified for don't pay a living wage. Carrots vs ding dongs seems like a nit issue now that I think about it like that.
I will counterpoint this without defending those in charge. They were academicians who deal in absolutes and labs and not in reality. In a perfect world having zero exposure to people would be the ideal way to eradicate a disease. Also not realistic. The problem was they pushed so hard one way that they defeated their own cause and people rebelled. What we needed was a steady hand in leadership who tried to split the middle. Please be careful, but we can’t shut everything down. Instead you had one side saying never go outside and the other side telling everyone to lick doorknobs.
The other issue was communication. When I would tell other doctors what I was seeing, they knew I was just figuring it out and my story may change next week. This was all brand new. The general public is going to take what a health professional says as law. If I had been the mouthpiece for the CDC that would have been the first thing I said at every press conference. “At this time this is the information we have, but please keep in kind that all of this may change as we learn more”. That simple statement would have fixed a lot of distrust
But, yes, you are 100% right about where the distrust comes from.
Maybe we had different experiences, but I heard variations of “At this time this is the information we have, but please keep in kind that all of this may change as we learn more” alllll the time from public health officials during covid.
Vast swaths of the public simply could not accept that experts didn't know everything, so they went with what "felt right" and layered "science" on to that.