Well I'll be damn, so is that where brown rice comes from ?
OT: global stability seems to be wobbling a bit
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I think nuclear weapons is why there has not been a WWIII or two major powers going after each other. I don't think Iran will use them knowing what it would bring down on them.
Us spending money here doesn't really change much. We're using productive capacity to create munitions that go overseas. We could be paying those workers to dig a hole, **** in it, and fill it back in and we'd be in the same place, except for possibly upgrading our stockpile by sending out older munitions and of course there is a benefit to maintaining our production capacity for weapons, and this helps that semi-directly.
I'm pretty agnostic about what our role should be in Ukraine beyond not having boots on the ground, but spending the money here versus elsewhere doesn't really move the needle. We're just printing money. If it briefly passing through the hands of employees of weapons manufacturers in the US before being spent elsewhere, that doesn't really change how much poorer we are after the fact.
That's the way I look at it. The Iranians are crazy to be sure, but the leaders know using a nuke would result in more than just "regime change". They are probably also in on the secret that the "72 virgins" thing is just a bunch Grade A nonsense.
Thats an interesting take. From what I have read and seen, what the US has sent to Ukraine has directly kept Russia from winning by now...but you think it doesnt really change much and spending the money to pay Americans to holeshit would be equally effective.
Seems incorrect to me, but ok then.
Bolding and underlining the parts I think you missed to see if that helps you.
Russia is not completely withdrawing from Ukraine. Ukraine is going to have to give up the little corner of their world that were Russians and supported Putin long before any troops were assembled on the border. When discussing Zelenskyy and Putin, Zelenskyy is definitely the lesser of 2 evils, but evil none the less. I'd be okay with Zelenskyy's army burying a million land mines in thst territory on their way out of it, and maybe even William Tecumseh Shermaning the towns and Black Sea ports as they leave. Ukraine financial support should have come from European NATO countries. But as usual, America has to be the world police choosing which bad guy they need to help!
I believe he said he would help broker a negotiated peace settlement. He has already reached out to both of them to get that process started. I'm not sure what else you want the president elect to do. He is being left a hell of a mess to clean up, as you've made clear in those 7 bullet points.
Seems to be wobbling a bit? Where the hell have you been?
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Very similar events throughout the world. Ukrain is one thing that I disagree with Trump on.
Defense jobs are well paying jobs. That's something Ronald Reagan knew. We are going to need that defense industrial base too. They have to have orders or they won't expand.
Those bullets were republican/conservative talking points over the last 2 years. I don't know why you think those bullets document a mess that Trump has to clean up.
Also, my link provided his exact quote so there is no need to guess or try to remember.
He said he will get it settled before he is president. And yes, it would be thru talks.
I don't want him to do anything more and my post isn't critical of what he has done up to now.
You are reading way too much into my post.
That surprises me too. And it’s not just “reports”.. there’s a bunch of video already of NK troops being blown up by drones in Ukraine.
Biden has dicked around with equipment. He should have given them permission to take out more targets deep into Russia. He should have given them the F16. He put way too many restrictions on them. I don't know why Biden figured ****** the whole thing. Give them everything they need without restriction to drive Russia out or force them into peace. I was all in for a good while, but I think there's a lot of profit taking by Biden friends and Rich people in Ukraine so I am out. Stop giving them money. Let the EU worry with it. If you are going in you should go in Big. Kick their teeth in and get the hell out. They have dragged it out way too long.
It may have already been stated in here I don’t know but even the Biden administration has been recently questioning Zelenskys objective to have a total victory and get Russia completely out of Ukraine. The intelligence and military community has basically said it’s an impossible endeavor that Ukraine can’t maintain and It’s going to end up being a diplomatic compromise.
I tend to agree with this. While Ukraine is bleeding Russias army they can’t sustain this for much longer. There’s already issues with Ukrainian soldiers and militia abandoning their posts.
I tend to agree with this. While Ukraine is bleeding Russias army they can’t sustain this for much longer. There’s already issues with Ukrainian soldiers and militia abandoning their posts.
Pay no attention. It’s the latest talking points since nothing else has stuck. They’ll eventually move on to some other lie that the idiots will eat up despite no factual basis.
I guess he should’ve kept them in an old car in his garage. I hear that is an acceptable place to store that stuff as long as you claim ignorance.
Global Security has been wobbly since the beginning of the Billy Joel song.
In total, EU countries have committed more to Ukraine than the US has.
We have sent more total dollars than any individual country by a country mile. Proportionally, though, we’ve given less than Ukraines closest neighbors, and less than Germany and the UK.
Numbers per usnews.com.
How exactly is Zelensky evil? I've never seen that satisfactorily explained.
They absolutely would use them. They wouldn't care what it would bring down on them. Provoking an apocalypse is precisely what their religion tells them they are supposed to do.
People talk like Kim had political consequences to consider before sending troops to Russia. He is a totalitarian dictator. It’s no different than a King in medieval Europe sending mercenary soldiers to fight for another King.
I imagine there’s some favors going on there. North Korea pretty much has to depend on Russia and China to survive because they surely aren’t producing much in that total dictatorship.
You know, that is exactly what the 1938 Munich agreement did for Hitler. It didn't give him all of Czechoslovakia, just the German speaking parts. Hitler occupied the rest without firing a shot, and with almost no protest, a few months later. Then he attacked Poland. The only difference here is Ukraine is resisting, now. If we force them to stop, who says they will resist when Putin comes for the rest? Putin WILL come for the rest. He won't stop there either. He has said as much. Appeasement didn't work with Hitler and it won't work with Putin. The parallels between the two when it comes to this stuff are almost identical. It's amazing how much history we have forgotten as Westerners.
they talk a big game, but they are not stupid, and two China will not let them. They also know Iseral can take their leaders out whenever they want and if Isarael ever believes one is getting stupid his *** will be taken out
Since, according to you, appeasement won't work, the only logical alternative is war to force Russia out of Ukraine.
A few questions:
-Should the US be involved in this war?
-If so, how many American troops dying in Ukraine is acceptable?
-If not, how many NATO troops dying defending Ukraine is acceptable? (Reminder: they're not part of NATO)
-Since war is the only option to stop the next Hitler, have you enlisted to defend Ukraine?
-Are you OK with your sons/daughters dying to defend Ukraine?
Again, they won't care about any of that. You are assigning Western motives to them. They don't really share those motives.
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