OT: global stability seems to be wobbling a bit

[DoggieDaddy13]

This thread is about to get locked because it’s devolved into petty personal attacks. Shame because it was a good thread for a while.
This may be a stupid question, but what is keeping Ukraine, as part of a peace deal, from ceding some of the territory and immediately joining NATO? I know no one wants to lose territory, but joining NATO would put a quick stop to that.
Also, I think at one point in his first term Trump talked about withdrawing from NATO but I haven’t heard anything about that lately. Was that a serious possibility? Is it still a possibility? I don’t love the idea.

Don't know if Trump is serious about withdrawing from NATO, but you can bet all hell would break lose in Europe if the U.S. decided to get out.

Two things:
Ukraine is not only not willing to cede territory, they want (and need) the Crimea back to compete for energy dollars in Europe. Otherwise they are merely a larger version of Moldova.
Russia, even if it were to keep the Crimea along with Donetsk and Luhansk, would never allow Ukraine to join NATO. At worst they would need assurances that Ukraine will remain unaffiliated - a fat chance at this juncture. They cannot afford to have NATO that close to Moscow but more importantly that close to their strategic oil fields in and around Volgograd. And they'd quickly lose access to the Black Sea if a conflict with NATO were to breakout, so their Navy would be worthless.

But Trump will have all of this negotiated and ironed out within 24 hours of taking office in January. He said so and we gotta believe.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Chris Wallace leaving CNN: "When I look at the media landscape right now, the people who are going independent, whether it’s podcasting or streaming, that seems to be where the action is,” he said Tuesday."

 

[grinningmule]

He has ZERO relevant experience.

Lloyd Austin has all the "relevant experience" in the world and he is a cluster17

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Don't know if Trump is serious about withdrawing from NATO, but you can bet all hell would break lose in Europe if the U.S. decided to get out.

Two things:
Ukraine is not only not willing to cede territory, they want (and need) the Crimea back to compete for energy dollars in Europe. Otherwise they are merely a larger version of Moldova.
Russia, even if it were to keep the Crimea along with Donetsk and Luhansk, would never allow Ukraine to join NATO. At worst they would need assurances that Ukraine will remain unaffiliated - a fat chance at this juncture. They cannot afford to have NATO that close to Moscow but more importantly that close to their strategic oil fields in and around Volgograd. And they'd quickly lose access to the Black Sea if a conflict with NATO were to break out, so their Navy would be worthless.

But Trump will have all of this negotiated and ironed out within 24 hours of taking office in January. He said so and we gotta believe.

 

[L4Dawg]

Lloyd Austin has all the "relevant experience" in the world and he is a cluster17

So when you fire an experienced failure, you go after the least experienced person you can find for his replacement?

 

[Darryl Steight]

Noem is there for the pouty lips, fake eyelashes and decent body. Homan will run that $h!+.

I'm wondering if this is a setup. DHS is on the chopping block anyway, so maybe he didn't want to appoint someone he wants on his team long term to take the fall. Not to mention she'll be easier on the eyes in the cabinet meetings than Homan until then.

 

[dorndawg]

Threads like this one remind me just how amazing that such a vast array of wisdom and foolishness can be found all in one place.

 

[Darryl Steight]

going from a weekend news anchor to Secretary of Defense is an unusual career path.

Yeah, it usually goes the opposite way... The shiteating redhead on MSNBC, George Staphylococcys (sp?), Morning Joke, etc.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Threads like this one remind me just how amazing that such a vast array of wisdom and foolishness can be found all in one place.

Or at least you know, you will find a lot of people who are better qualified to service Secretary of State..: if you ask them, of course

 

[Darryl Steight]

But Trump will have all of this negotiated and ironed out within 24 hours of taking office in January. He said so and we gotta believe.

I'm loving this new preemptive 'gotcha' line from the left: "Trump said he would do _____ so if he doesn't do exactly that, by exactly that date, he's a complete failure!!!!1!!" You all just can't wait to I-told-you-so everyone to death if he ever misses.

But yet, back in the real world, y'all supported Joe f'ing Biden and Kamala Harris, those highly regarded wizards of gettin shiit done. Whew boy.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

I'm loving this new preemptive 'gotcha' line from the left: "Trump said he would do _____ so if he doesn't do exactly that, by exactly that date, he's a complete failure!!!!1!!" You all just can't wait to I-told-you-so everyone to death if he ever misses.

But yet, back in the real world, y'all supported Joe f'ing Biden and Kamala Harris, those highly regarded wizards of gettin shiit done. Whew boy.

Dude! WTF? I believe Trump can and will do it. He's going put the screws to the comedian and put Putin on notice.

Don't doubt it. Watch it happen. He will have it worked out before he takes office.

Now, I think he'll keep us in NATO. We just won't have to pay as much. But if we get out, so be it. Europe ain't our problem.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Threads like this one remind me just how amazing that such a vast array of wisdom and foolishness can be found all in one place.

Well it is a message board.

 

[Darryl Steight]

Dude! WTF? I believe Trump can and will do it. He's going put the screws to the comedian and put Putin on notice.

Don't doubt it. Watch it happen. He will have it worked out before he takes office.

Now, I think he'll keep us in NATO. We just won't have to pay as much. But if we get out, so be it. Europe ain't our problem.

Good deal. Congrats on choosing the red pill.

 

[dorndawg]

nm

 

[ckDOG]

Oh hell yes. Matt Gaetz for AG. Queue up the circus music as the Senate mulls this one.

 

[Darryl Steight]

nm

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Oh hell yes. Matt Gaetz for AG. Queue up the circus music as the Senate mulls this one.

Unbelievable

 

[dorndawg]

Unbelievable

If only there had been some way of seeing this coming...

 

[L4Dawg]

Oh hell yes. Matt Gaetz for AG. Queue up the circus music as the Senate mulls this one.

He has gone off the deep end. This is going to be a total disaster. FYI I did not vote for Biden.

 

[ckDOG]

He has gone off the deep end. This is going to be a total disaster. FYI I did not vote for Biden.

He's stress testing what the new senate will let him get away with. Only logical explanation. That or he senile. Also possible.

 

[johnson86-1]

I'm loving this new preemptive 'gotcha' line from the left: "Trump said he would do _____ so if he doesn't do exactly that, by exactly that date, he's a complete failure!!!!1!!" You all just can't wait to I-told-you-so everyone to death if he ever misses.

But yet, back in the real world, y'all supported Joe f'ing Biden and Kamala Harris, those highly regarded wizards of gettin shiit done. Whew boy.

Not to mention Barry "I will lower insurance premiums by $5,000 on average" Obama. I'm sure W and Slick Willy and H all said similarly ridiculous detached from reality stuff too.

 

[L4Dawg]

He's stress testing what the new senate will let him get away with. Only logical explanation. That or he senile. Also possible.

I hope that's the case. The first one I mean.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Oh hell yes. Matt Gaetz for AG. Queue up the circus music as the Senate mulls this one.

And just when you thought it couldn't get any crazier , Trump says "hold my beer" .

 

[johnson86-1]

He's stress testing what the new senate will let him get away with. Only logical explanation. That or he senile. Also possible.

I think he was deeply scarred by Sessions and Barr but learned the wrong lessons. Sessions got outwitted by partisan members of the DOJ and it gave the Russia hoax legs and was a huge part of Trump's first term being derailed. I think the lesson he probably should have learned was that he needs somebody both experienced and strong willed. Again, he's in a tough spot because it'd be hard for him to identify somebody that is well versed in the DOJ and also be confident they are not corrupt. I don't know how much Gaetz has actually practiced. I would assume basically not at all in the areas most relevant to the AG position. Hopefully he knows people he can trust that have more relevant experience.

But again, this is another one of those picks where it'd be hard to do worse than the status quo. As much as people bitched about McConnell not giving Garland a vote, everybody, regardless of political stripe, should be glad he is not on the Supreme Court. The worst case scenario (and probably fairly likely scenario), is that Gaetz is incapable of reigning in or effectively administering the DOJ, and they are just less efficient at abusing their powers than they are now.

 

[Pars]

That’s a 17n crazy pick.
You can try to reason it out but it’s 17n crazy

 

[L4Dawg]

I think he was deeply scarred by Sessions and Barr but learned the wrong lessons. Sessions got outwitted by partisan members of the DOJ and it gave the Russia hoax legs and was a huge part of Trump's first term being derailed. I think the lesson he probably should have learned was that he needs somebody both experienced and strong willed. Again, he's in a tough spot because it'd be hard for him to identify somebody that is well versed in the DOJ and also be confident they are not corrupt. I don't know how much Gaetz has actually practiced. I would assume basically not at all in the areas most relevant to the AG position. Hopefully he knows people he can trust that have more relevant experience.

But again, this is another one of those picks where it'd be hard to do worse than the status quo. As much as people bitched about McConnell not giving Garland a vote, everybody, regardless of political stripe, should be glad he is not on the Supreme Court. The worst case scenario (and probably fairly likely scenario), is that Gaetz is incapable of reigning in or effectively administering the DOJ, and they are just less efficient at abusing their powers than they are now.

That pick is just insanity. You can try, but it's insane.

 

[Pars]

These are not the nominees of a serious person.

 

[dudehead]

Oh hell yes. Matt Gaetz for AG. Queue up the circus music as the Senate mulls this one.

Don't worry, they're going to ram everyone through by recess appointments. Bada bing, bada boom.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

These are not the nominees of a serious person.

They’re the nominees of someone who has no allies in DC.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Trump understands what we want and he's going to blow the Deep State all to hell.

Can't wait to see the videos Gaetz shares at his confirmation hearing.

 

[johnson86-1]

They’re the nominees of someone who has no allies in DC.

Yup. Or at least few allies he believes he can trust.

 

[mstateglfr]

But again, this is another one of those picks where it'd be hard to do worse than the status quo. As much as people bitched about McConnell not giving Garland a vote, everybody, regardless of political stripe, should be glad he is not on the Supreme Court.

Nope, the end doesn’t justify the means. What McConnell did was and still is deplorable.
In what is a circus, he all too gladly put on a clown suit.

The worst case scenario (and probably fairly likely scenario), is that Gaetz is incapable of reigning in or effectively administering the DOJ, and they are just less efficient at abusing their powers than they are now.

The worst case scenario is that Gaetz can’t reign in what is happening at the DOJ, and they somehow then abuse their powers less? That is an odd conclusion to predict.

 

[ckDOG]

Don't worry, they're going to ram everyone through by recess appointments. Bada bing, bada boom.

Yep. And the senate will sit idly by and take it rather than pro forma sessions or court. They'll get to grumble in disapproval but ultimately let a president do what he wants unchecked. They are too scared to cross him even if they think it's the right thing to do.

 

[mstateglfr]

I'm loving this new preemptive 'gotcha' line from the left: "Trump said he would do _____ so if he doesn't do exactly that, by exactly that date, he's a complete failure!!!!1!!" You all just can't wait to I-told-you-so everyone to death if he ever misses.

But yet, back in the real world, y'all supported Joe f'ing Biden and Kamala Harris, those highly regarded wizards of gettin shiit done. Whew boy.

What you are complaining about is not unique to 2024 or Trump.
This is how it goes for people that beat a one term leader.
A ton was promised on the campaign trail, and all the ineptitude of the current administration was highlighted.

When you run on the promise of being able to easily change everything that is wrong, well, then you should be judged on that.

 

[L4Dawg]

They’re the nominees of someone who has no allies in DC.

More like the nominees of someone who wants no pushback against anything he says, ever.

 

[L4Dawg]

Yep. And the senate will sit idly by and take it rather than pro forma sessions or court. They'll get to grumble in disapproval but ultimately let a president do what he wants unchecked. They are too scared to cross him even if they think it's the right thing to do.

They crossed him with Thune. I think that's what today's appointments are all about.

 

[grinningmule]

 

[thatsbaseball]

More like the nominees of someone who wants no pushback against anything he says, ever.

or someone who has no idea how many were voting for the lesser of two evils

 

[ckDOG]

or someone who has no idea how many were voting for the lesser of two evils

He's going to end up with less than half of the popular vote (by a **** hair). If there is a mandate, I'd say it is "fix immigration and cost of living - sleepy joe isn't up for it". But it definitely wasn't a mandate to hire the circus and stress the constitution. Never a dull moment with this guy - that's for sure.

 

[85Bears]

He's going to end up with less than half of the popular vote (by a **** hair). If there is a mandate, I'd say it is "fix immigration and cost of living - sleepy joe isn't up for it". But it definitely wasn't a mandate to hire the circus and stress the constitution. Never a dull moment with this guy - that's for sure.

Now do blinken garland rachel levine