OT: If it's not one thing, it's another: dock workers strike

[18IsTheMan]

East coast dock workers went on strike today, bringing ALL east coast shipping ports to a grinding halt.

They have rejected a 50% pay increase (west coast dock workers last year agreed to a 32% pay increase). They want a 77% raise and no use of automation. I'm not sure which of those seems like a bigger reach.

At least retailers supposedly worked in anticipation of this to stock up so consumers shouldn't feel the effects for a few weeks, except maybe on some very perishable items like bananas.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

October surprise!
Dock workers strike
Iran bombs Israel

What next?

 

[b-flag]

Some of us are not panicky woebegones.
Buck up buttercup

 

[Blues man]

Some of us are not panicky woebegones.
Buck up buttercup

... says a guy with no skin in the game.

 

[Blues man]

Make no mistake about it, the ILA doesn't give a rip about the businesses affected by their strike and they certainly dont give a rip about the repercussions their actions will cause to this country. They never have cared about such things and they never will. This strike was intentional. There has been no good faith negotiations going on since June and even that was minimal. I can tell you this, they do not have the support of rank and file container truckers who are now jobless until the ILA can at least put something reasonable forward if they ever decide to.

 

[b-flag]

... says a guy with no skin in the game.

Believe in America not cheap scapegoating.
Trust our traditions & our institutions instead of tearing things down
Good luck you'll need it

 

[Blues man]

Believe in America not cheap scapegoating.
Trust our traditions & our institutions instead of tearing things down
Good luck you'll need it

Ok I'll bite. What institutions should I be putting my trust in?

 

[Uscg1984]

Does the "no new automation" demand have a timeline? Are the companies expected to extend that measure in perpetuity? If so, that seems like a completely ludicrous demand. Who could possibly predict the automated measures that might be necessary in the future?

 

[Lurker123]

Does the "no new automation" demand have a timeline? Are the companies expected to extend that measure in perpetuity? If so, that seems like a completely ludicrous demand. Who could possibly predict the automated measures that might be necessary in the future?

Well, it was an idea from the union. So ludicrous is probably the right ballpark.

 

[Cybercock]

Does the "no new automation" demand have a timeline? Are the companies expected to extend that measure in perpetuity? If so, that seems like a completely ludicrous demand. Who could possibly predict the automated measures that might be necessary in the future?

Well it all started with an objection to an automatic gate at a port in Mississippi so they obviously are worried about being replaced by technology. Thing is, the more money they make, the more sense it makes to pursue automation.
Unions have a place but this is a buttload of unrealistic demands

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Does the "no new automation" demand have a timeline? Are the companies expected to extend that measure in perpetuity? If so, that seems like a completely ludicrous demand. Who could possibly predict the automated measures that might be necessary in the future?

I bet auto assembly line workers such as welders and spray painters would have liked to have had that protection in their employment contracts since their jobs have been automated. Obviously, longshoremen feel privileged and special and think they can't be replaced.

 

[PD-Cock]

I have hard time sympathizing with anyone who earns just shy of a million a year, drives Bentley's & says, quoting, "Mess with me, I'll cripple you". Joe Daggett, Boss, ILSA
I'm all for anyone wanting to better their pay & hope they get it. But, if there was ever a reason for automation, this is it.
Holding others (us the citizenry) hostage just to put teeth into your demands, doesn't bode well in garnering sympathy nor support.

 

[Blues man]

Well it all started with an objection to an automatic gate at a port in Mississippi so they obviously are worried about being replaced by technology. Thing is, the more money they make, the more sense it makes to pursue automation.
Unions have a place but this is a buttload of unrealistic demands

Funny thing is the gate is where the problems begin and actually where most of the problems exist. Human error is a big problem at all the gates. I know this because my wife gets a call every time one of our trucks runs into a problem there. And the problem is never on our end because she is damn good at her job.
They could speed up driver waits, traffic and the supply chain itself by allowing gates to be automated if they cared about such things and they know it. But as I said earlier, they dont care. On top of that drivers now (through govt regulations) have their time electronically monitored and time wasted in the port is time they can't get back. And trucking is a profession that has been going through rate decreases now getting a double whammy because of this.
If you ask me, I believe they dont wish to give up gates because without them, they can't blackball or make doing business difficult for truckers or trucking companies they have an ax to grind with. The ability to make doing business difficult is a very powerful ability. Gate control is the primary reason why you have to be careful when criticizing the union in this industry. No doubt the gate (the point where they flex their muscle) would have to be pried from their hands.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I have hard time sympathizing with anyone who earns just shy of a million a year, drives Bentley's & says, quoting, "Mess with me, I'll cripple you". Joe Daggett, Boss, ILSA
I'm all for anyone wanting to better their pay & hope they get it. But, if there was ever a reason for automation, this is it.
Holding others (us the citizenry) hostage just to put teeth into your demands, doesn't bode well in garnering sympathy nor support.

They want a champagne lifestyle with beer level skills.

 

[Sweetwatergolf]

October surprise!
Dock workers strike
Iran bombs Israel

What next?

The strike has already brought out the hoarders. Toilet paper, paper towels etc being wiped out in many locations.

 

[Blues man]

The strike has already brought out the hoarders. Toilet paper, paper towels etc being wiped out in many locations.

One thing I noticed too is some those TP hoarders are govt funded and dont look like they have been here very long.

 

[Uscg1984]

The strike has already brought out the hoarders. Toilet paper, paper towels etc being wiped out in many locations.

Lol. Does toilet paper even arrive to our shores via cargo ships? I thought it was made at the KC plant near N Augusta.

 

[Anon1667100206]

The strike has already brought out the hoarders. Toilet paper, paper towels etc being wiped out in many locations.

Perhaps those items are wiped out because people are being asked to donate to folks in WNC. There's been a bunch of these collections where I live, including the local police department.

 

[PD-Cock]

They want a champagne lifestyle with beer level skills.

Yup, they do.
But, take a look see into who owns majority of our docks/ports. Big clue as to why automation scares the beejibees outta them. Saudi's, China couple other countries do. Most European also controlled by these countries, already automated w/ Chinese technology.
Potentially, coming to a port nearby. If it happens, their champagne desires bypasses beer, goes straight Richard's Wild Irish Rose.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

East coast dock workers went on strike today, bringing ALL east coast shipping ports to a grinding halt.

They have rejected a 50% pay increase (west coast dock workers last year agreed to a 32% pay increase). They want a 77% raise and no use of automation. I'm not sure which of those seems like a bigger reach.

At least retailers supposedly worked in anticipation of this to stock up so consumers shouldn't feel the effects for a few weeks, except maybe on some very perishable items like bananas.

Buy American and the problem goes away.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Believe in America not cheap scapegoating.
Trust our traditions & our institutions instead of tearing things down
Good luck you'll need it

Traditions like the 1st and 2nd Amend? Traditions like not interfering with elections, especially within 60 days? Just want to confirm that you mean all traditions, and not just the ones you choose.

 

[b-flag]

Traditions like the 1st and 2nd Amend? Traditions like not interfering with elections, especially within 60 days? Just want to confirm that you mean all traditions, and not just the ones you choose.

Election fantasies do no bother me.
Attempted overthrow of a legitimate election do
Stop getting information from memes and criminals

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Election fantasies do no bother me.
Attempted overthrow of a legitimate election do
Stop getting information from memes and criminals

Overthrow.

Is this fake too?

 

[b-flag]

Overthrow.

Is this fake too?

The Federalist....swill from the lockjaw right.
Pitiful sick posturing
Got a dog to eat?

 

[Atlanta Cock]

The Federalist....swill from the lockjaw right.
Pitiful sick posturing
Got a dog to eat?

Get over yourself. Don't you have a Russia hoax to peddle?

 

[b-flag]

Get over yourself. Don't you have a Russia hoax to peddle?

Don't you have a pet to eat skippy?

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Don't you have a pet to eat skippy?

Dude, I can do this all day.

Mayorkas warns FEMA doesn't have enough funding to last through hurricane season

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas says the agency tasked with helping communities recover from Hurricane Helene and other natural disasters does not have enough money to make it through the hurricane season.

apnews.com

 

[b-flag]

Dude, I can do this all day.

Mayorkas warns FEMA doesn't have enough funding to last through hurricane season

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas says the agency tasked with helping communities recover from Hurricane Helene and other natural disasters does not have enough money to make it through the hurricane season.

apnews.com

The Klan is missing an idiot

 

[Atlanta Cock]

The Klan is missing an idiot

When did they lose you?

 

[Gradstudent]

They have rejected a 50% pay increase (west coast dock workers last year agreed to a 32% pay increase). They want a 77% raise and no use of automation. I'm not sure which of those seems like a bigger reach.

Imho, The No Automation is the bigger reach

There is plenty of money to pay the workers more, look how much the shipping companies are charging and making, on 8/1 Maersk boosted full year earning outlook, now sees underlying earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization of $9 billion to $11 billion this year,

 

[b-flag]

When did they lose you?

Look it's a Remora
Or leech....eat a puppy

 

[Tallacock]

So I guess this is a better look.
Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz described his televised meeting with officials as a "PR, 17-minute meeting".
The sight of him throwing paper towels to people in the crowd was "terrible and abominable", she added.
Mr Trump tweeted it had been a "great day" in Puerto Rico.
But he also took another swipe at the reporting of his trip.

 

[kidrobinski]

The Federalist....swill from the lockjaw right.
Pitiful sick posturing
Got a dog to eat?

Another prissy american that thinks no third world folks would EVER eat something like a dog; they get their groceries and live just like we do amirite.

I've seen it. Don't care whether you believe it or not.

If Trump was president the media and fools like you would be all over it.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Election fantasies do no bother me.
Attempted overthrow of a legitimate election do
Stop getting information from memes and criminals

Stop getting your information from pseudo media folks posing as journalists and acting as propagandists/fixers for the administration.

 

[SILVERSPUR-rier]

Back to the original topic. I definitely have skin in the game. My son is a non-union, hourly employee at one of the Charleston terminals. He has been effectively laid off and is out now trying to find a replacement job, as he still has the same bills he has to pay. He will not be reimbursed or subsidized for these lost wages like the striking union members. He loves his job at the port and hopes to go back once this is resolved, but there is no assurance of when that will happen. There are probably several thousands or even ten thousand or more people like him in the Charelston area who now have no job (or reduced hours) because a hundred or so people went on strike in Charleston. If the union is trying to win friends and sympathy for the non-executive union members (the leader reportedly makes $700K a year), having your boss say he is willing to "cripple" the country is probably not the way to do it.