OT: Shopping in the convenience store…while parked at the gas pumps

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Link looks cool. Are you gonna carry? Like John Wayne out there
Well I carry a camelback, my Camera, a hiking pole and mace. Most I've ever run across was a Gila Monster in the Rincon Mts. in AZ. And he was more interested in getting into the shade than watching me take a leak in the wash. 🤷‍♂️
 
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You live somewhere that you feel so unsafe, that you need to carry a gun around. You live somewhere that, according to you, has no police force. You live somewhere that kids are looking to steal cars and folks are stealing gas, with no police force there to enforce laws. 3 non-local cops ... to cover an entire county?

Crime happens everywhere. Even in civilization. You just take reasonable precautions to avoid it, and you don't obsess about it. I'm not going to carry a deadly projectile-shooting weapon with me to visit the store, or see my kid's games, or do WHATEVER I do in normal, everyday life to guard against crime, though. I'm not going to be thinking about every criminal activity that could possibly happen in a situation, and fretting over it. That's crazy. If I lived in a lawless hellhole ... maybe I would reconsider.
"Car shopping" if that is what you are referring to as "looking to steal cars", you are mis-informed. "Car shopping" as the kids call it is looking for unlocked cars to steal the contents and sometimes (not too often) leaving a present behind.

There are some localities in my county that have a local police force. I do not have local police in my locality. So, we are dependent on the PSP.

Your definition of reasonable and mine are different. That's okay with me. My life experiences are not yours and yours are not mine. That might impact the decisions we make and our understanding (or lack of) each other's decisions.

I don't think I live in a lawless hellhole. Most people abide by the speed limit here.

You think I'm crazy, I think you're nieve. If I lived in your utopia I might think differently.
 

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"Car shopping" if that is what you are referring to as "looking to steal cars", you are mis-informed. "Car shopping" as the kids call it is looking for unlocked cars to steal the contents and sometimes (not too often) leaving a present behind.

There are some localities in my county that have a local police force. I do not have local police in my locality. So, we are dependent on the PSP.

Your definition of reasonable and mine are different. That's okay with me. My life experiences are not yours and yours are not mine. That might impact the decisions we make and our understanding (or lack of) each other's decisions.

I don't think I live in a lawless hellhole. Most people abide by the speed limit here.

You think I'm crazy, I think you're nieve. If I lived in your utopia I might think differently.

I don't just think you're paranoid (aka "crazy") ... I think you're naive, as well.

So you have people going the speed limit while stealing and needing guns for protection. Maybe if they sped away, they wouldn't need to pew pew their way out of trouble.

And, for your edification, despite being one of the most densely populated states (so, lots of interactions on the road), and our penchant for speeding on the highways, MA has the fewest fatal accidents per 100K per annum of any state in the nation. NY and NJ ... notorious fast/aggressive driving, densely populated states, are also similarly "safe." Meanwhile, even though gun ownership rates are highest in low-density, unpopulated states (Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, etc.), those states still have high rates of deaths by firearm. And densely-populated, highly populated states with low gun ownership rates have comparatively low rates of gun violence. And if you're a poor, uneducated state ... oy. Look out.
 
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I don't just think you're paranoid (aka "crazy) ... I think you're naive, as well.

So you have people going the speed limit while stealing and needing guns for protection. Maybe if they sped away, they wouldn't need to pew pew their way out of trouble.

And, for your edification, despite being one of the most densely populated states (so, lots of interactions on the road), and our penchant for speeding on the highways, MA has the fewest fatal accidents per 100K per annum of any state in the nation. NY and NJ ... notorious fast/aggressive driving, densely populated states, are also similarly "safe." Meanwhile, even though gun ownership rates are highest in low-density, unpopulated states (Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, etc.), those states still have high rates of deaths by firearm. And densely-populated, highly populated states with low gun ownership rates have comparatively low rates of gun violence. And if you're a poor, uneducated state ... oy. Look out.
So, faster speeds are safer? That makes sense. Or just Mass have better skilled drivers?

Pew pew is funny because of how childish it is. Never heard that sound outside of a Starwars movie.

I would like to see the reference(s) for your statistics. The citation of @Moogy post #205 just isn't going to do it for me.

Do your kids still go to school? Do they do active intruder drills (Run, Hide, Fight or ALiCE, etc.)? The fight (or counter) part is the last resort, but showing up with a metal Swingline stapler is probably not a fair fight. Not that the kids should bring a gun to school, but it would be better if some "good guy" could be there. RHF (or ALiCE, etc.) is not just for schools it is for everywhere. No one that responably CCs wants to shoot someone. It is the last resort.
 

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So, faster speeds are safer? That makes sense. Or just Mass have better skilled drivers?

Pew pew is funny because of how childish it is. Never heard that sound outside of a Starwars movie.

I would like to see the reference(s) for your statistics. The citation of @Moogy post #205 just isn't going to do it for me.

Do your kids still go to school? Do they do active intruder drills (Run, Hide, Fight or ALiCE, etc.)? The fight (or counter) part is the last resort, but showing up with a metal Swingline stapler is probably not a fair fight. Not that the kids should bring a gun to school, but it would be better if some "good guy" could be there. RHF (or ALiCE, etc.) is not just for schools it is for everywhere. No one that responably CCs wants to shoot someone. It is the last resort.
There is a reason everyone else calls them Massholes. 🤣
 

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So, faster speeds are safer? That makes sense. Or just Mass have better skilled drivers?

Pew pew is funny because of how childish it is. Never heard that sound outside of a Starwars movie.

I would like to see the reference(s) for your statistics. The citation of @Moogy post #205 just isn't going to do it for me.

Do your kids still go to school? Do they do active intruder drills (Run, Hide, Fight or ALiCE, etc.)? The fight (or counter) part is the last resort, but showing up with a metal Swingline stapler is probably not a fair fight. Not that the kids should bring a gun to school, but it would be better if some "good guy" could be there. RHF (or ALiCE, etc.) is not just for schools it is for everywhere. No one that responably CCs wants to shoot someone. It is the last resort.

Seriously? You need citations for basic "google in 3 seconds" stuff? Oy.




Now I know that none of those are from sites like "gunzrule" or "americaeffyeahshootingourwaytoexcellence.com," but they'll have to do, donkey.

No, faster speeds aren't safer ... it's simply that you were crying about speeding, and the speeding I had described earlier was simply going faster ... in an orderly and "controlled" fashion, on major highways ... while folks were freaking out at the prospect of going 90 mph, as if folks were zooming in and out of lanes and drag racing with flames shooting out the back (laKabrain may have just shot his wad at the thought of that).
 

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What’s “oy”?

phils 4 Sox 1 fyi

Shortened form of "oy vey" ... it's Yiddish, but my grandmother used to say it while speaking Pennsylvania Dutch to relatives and friends, so it must have been integrated into that language in some form.
 

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Shortened form of "oy vey" ... it's Yiddish, but my grandmother used to say it while speaking Pennsylvania Dutch to relatives and friends, so it must have been integrated into that language in some form.
It’s become ubiquitous…but my grandmother, from the Pennsylvania Dutch region, used “I do yay!” instead.
 

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Seriously? You need citations for basic "google in 3 seconds" stuff? Oy.




Now I know that none of those are from sites like "gunzrule" or "americaeffyeahshootingourwaytoexcellence.com," but they'll have to do, donkey.

No, faster speeds aren't safer ... it's simply that you were crying about speeding, and the speeding I had described earlier was simply going faster ... in an orderly and "controlled" fashion, on major highways ... while folks were freaking out at the prospect of going 90 mph, as if folks were zooming in and out of lanes and drag racing with flames shooting out the back (laKabrain may have just shot his wad at the thought of that).
Would the number of vehicles or number of drivers or the number of miles driven make a difference in your conclusion?
Is car deaths per total population relevant if not all of populations drive or even use the roads (like mass transit use is higher in say MA than in ME?

I found a bunch of the data but I thought maybe you did more of an analysis than just looking at some charts and pointing. You said 100k annum (I thought that was miles driven) the sites you reference state 100k population, which may have been what you meant. Glad that is cleared up.

It's not easy for me to look at data like this on a wonderphone and do analysis.

I would think deaths per miles driven would make more sense. (Like gun deaths per number of guns or gun owners) So, if there is one car per person in ME and .74 cars per person in MA, does that show which drivers are safer? ME would look worse based on % population, but it might be better on usage of cars.
What if there is only 1 driver for every 5 people in MA, but 4 for 5 in ME. Use of mass transit would impact if deaths per population is used. I am using MA and ME as I think these would have great differences. Maybe I'll look into this later.

MA has one of the lowest percentage of homes with a gun, 9%. MA gun homicides are 1.4 per 100k. ME has 48% of homes with a gun and has 0.9 gun homicides per 100k. (USA average is estimated 40% of homes have guns and 6.3 homicids per 100k, PA is 40% and 6.6.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_death_and_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Also, why do you call people names, "Sparky", "donkey", "laKabrain"?
 

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Say I’m driving my boxster S in Philly (I will be often) and some kids from north side roll up, draw nines, and attempt to take my $100k car.
Should I in your opinion:
Get out of the 718 and give them my car?
Call the police after I give them my 718?
or defend myself and my $100k 718?
I’m C, defend myself etc
Which are you?
D, invest in some generic male enhancement pharmaceuticals and buy a car that doesn’t scream I’m taking dick pills.
 

laKavosiey-st lion

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D, invest in some generic male enhancement pharmaceuticals and buy a car that doesn’t scream I’m taking dick pills.
Sigh. would this be fun for you boys? Cause this is what I’ll be doing with the car.

and of course 3 weeks cross country every summer including visiting 1 in LA for a week
Here the since sold 375hp big turbo TT on the tuna 2022?
 
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Funny when someone tries to call you out on it. I usually don’t use the spots because I feel like it’s unnecessary pandering, but sometimes it’s useful. Harris Teeter grocery stores does this too. One time a guy asked me my branch and unit. And it was clear he wasn’t interested but wanted to see if I was a Vet. I told him and he shut up.

Another time I parked in the closest spot to the Safeway that wasn’t a handicapped spot. I was - no lie - wearing golf clothes and when I got out of the car an older man asked what my handicap was. For a second I thought he was asking about golf; then I realized he was trying to bust me for parking in a handicap spot. I told him it’s not a handicap spot and he came to inspect. He admitted he was wrong and walked away. I hate that crap.
How did you not reply back to him with "15" and walk away? He teed it up for you!
 
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Would the number of vehicles or number of drivers or the number of miles driven make a difference in your conclusion?
Is car deaths per total population relevant if not all of populations drive or even use the roads (like mass transit use is higher in say MA than in ME?

I found a bunch of the data but I thought maybe you did more of an analysis than just looking at some charts and pointing. You said 100k annum (I thought that was miles driven) the sites you reference state 100k population, which may have been what you meant. Glad that is cleared up.

It's not easy for me to look at data like this on a wonderphone and do analysis.

I would think deaths per miles driven would make more sense. (Like gun deaths per number of guns or gun owners) So, if there is one car per person in ME and .74 cars per person in MA, does that show which drivers are safer? ME would look worse based on % population, but it might be better on usage of cars.
What if there is only 1 driver for every 5 people in MA, but 4 for 5 in ME. Use of mass transit would impact if deaths per population is used. I am using MA and ME as I think these would have great differences. Maybe I'll look into this later.

MA has one of the lowest percentage of homes with a gun, 9%. MA gun homicides are 1.4 per 100k. ME has 48% of homes with a gun and has 0.9 gun homicides per 100k. (USA average is estimated 40% of homes have guns and 6.3 homicids per 100k, PA is 40% and 6.6.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_death_and_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Also, why do you call people names, "Sparky", "donkey", "laKabrain"?

Car fatalities as related to population is pretty straightforward. Trying to drill down to other denominators just leaves you spinning endlessly. What if the driving conditions are naturally more dangerous in MA than ME? So MA could have fewer miles driven per person, but those miles could be higher risk. Having driven a lot, both in MA and ME, I can tell you, anecdotally, that is definitely the case ... most driving in ME is pretty open, or pretty laid-back residential. A lot of driving in MA is higher speed, yet also more congested (more opportunity for accidents, and more serious accidents, at that) ... or very congested and slow (more opportunity for accidents, but generally less serious bodily injuries). I95 in most of MA is a nice, drivable stretch ... I95 in RI, in comparison, is a friggin F1 nightmare of sharp curves and crazy people. Same "road." And you could get into roadway lanes/miles per driver, as well. 1,000 drivers on 1,000 miles of road is different than 10,000 drivers on 100,000 miles of roadway. And so on.

Maine has much higher gun suicide rates than Massachusetts, and a higher overall rate of gun deaths. And that's true, even considering that Maine is much less densely populated. It's much harder to shoot someone if you aren't in shooting distance of them, and don't interact with them. All other things constant, there's a much higher likelihood of violence if you interact with, and/or are in proximity of, more people. And the populated portion of Maine benefits greatly from its proximity to civilization (aka Massachusetts) ...
 
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Car fatalities as related to population is pretty straightforward. Trying to drill down to other denominators just leaves you spinning endlessly. What if the driving conditions are naturally more dangerous in MA than ME? So MA could have fewer miles driven per person, but those miles could be higher risk. Having driven a lot, both in MA and ME, I can tell you, anecdotally, that is definitely the case ... most driving in ME is pretty open, or pretty laid-back residential. A lot of driving in MA is higher speed, yet also more congested (more opportunity for accidents, and more serious accidents, at that) ... or very congested and slow (more opportunity for accidents, but generally less serious bodily injuries). I95 in most of MA is a nice, drivable stretch ... I95 in RI, in comparison, is a friggin F1 nightmare of sharp curves and crazy people. Same "road." And you could get into roadway lanes/miles per driver, as well. 1,000 drivers on 1,000 miles of road is different than 10,000 drivers on 100,000 miles of roadway. And so on.

Maine has much higher gun suicide rates than Massachusetts, and a higher overall rate of gun deaths. And that's true, even considering that Maine is much less densely populated. It's much harder to shoot someone if you aren't in shooting distance of them, and don't interact with them. All other things constant, much higher likelihood of violence if you interact with, and/or are in proximity of, more people. And the populated portion of Maine benefits greatly from its proximity to civilization ...
Maybe people in Maine are just more depressed.
 

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I am back on line baby, LOL. Pods arrived today and unloading has begun but it's like 112º. :eek:
Congrats on the relo. 👍

Keep reminding yourself that it’s a “dry heat” and that CO is only 4-5 hours away.
 
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Congrats on the relo. 👍

Keep reminding yourself that it’s a “dry heat” and that CO is only 4-5 hours away.
Thanks and it is a dry heat until you are out working in it, like unloading a pod. LOL.
Actually Ruidoso is only about 2 hrs away and I was very impressed.
But the mornings from 6-10 are very nice as our the evening from about 5-9.
I am being told by native Cruceans that this is unusual. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Does anyone actually pay for their gas INSIDE anymore?

I didn't know that was still a thing.

If it is, then obviously there are times when the person can't move their car to a parking spot before going in, or they'd risk looking like they were taking off without paying. At that point, you need to give them a couple minutes of time to get out of there before getting pissed off ... pissed off at them ... you can still be pissed off at the situation. After that, those folks need to get a move on. You don't dilly or dally inside the store when you're parked at the pump.
No, worrying about taking off without paying is a made up excuse.

In order for the pump to be activated, if you’re not using a credit card, you have to go in to the store and pay FIRST. As in, “give me $30 on pump #7”.
 

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No, worrying about taking off without paying is a made up excuse.

In order for the pump to be activated, if you’re not using a credit card, you have to go in to the store and pay FIRST. As in, “give me $30 on pump #7”.

Okey doke. As I said ... I didn't know folks actually still paid inside. Everything is just swipe, insert, tap or (more often) use an app nowadays.

That doesn't change anything else about what I said, however.
 
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Say I’m driving my boxster S in Philly (I will be often) and some kids from north side roll up, draw nines, and attempt to take my $100k car.
Should I in your opinion:
Get out of the 718 and give them my car?
Call the police after I give them my 718?
or defend myself and my $100k 718?
I’m C, defend myself etc
Which are you?
full of fear, aren't you?
 
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Applies equally to BMW and Tesla owners

Hmmm ... Beemer owners went through that phase of only obnoxious yuppies owning them, but they're more "mainstream" now ... certainly a healthy dose of a-hole owners and maybe a presumption of being douchey if you own one ... but I think that presumption can be overcome.

Porsches, on the other hand ... we could make the world a much better place if we just eliminated everyone who took possession of a Porsche. They're fundamentally bad people, not just insecure and overcompensating (like you'd see with many other "car guy" cars). While other car-brand owners may be described as being "d-less," Porsche owners are so self-absorbed and fundamentally evil, they decided to actually turn their whole being into being a big d, to compensate for not having (a functioning) one.

I think Teslas might be in an 80's/90's era Beemer douchey-owner situation, but it'll be quickly integrated into mainstream non-douchey society.