It's all just government until Hitler proclaimed himself fuhrer. That's the difference. That would not happen here. You claim Trump could do it - and that's ludicrous. It's hard to imagine things ever getting more chaotic around here than the 2020 election - once a lifetime event caused much of it (COVID).
Trump wasn't attempting to hold on to power and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Trump was a sore loser who was looking for an angle to find a win. Those are two very different things. I'm honestly amazed at how people can flip-flop on Trump and think he's a clownish buffoon one minute, and then think he has the intelligence, power, and influence to orchestrate an attempted coup the next. All the morons that think J6 was an attempted coup need to have their brains inspected. It was nothing of the sort. It wouldn't even rank in the top 10 as far as sizes of protests at the capital. It had morons chanting stupid stuff and threatening nonsense, just like almost every other protest. There's even reasonable doubt as to whether all the protestors were actually Trump supporters. After the long, sordid list of actual BS his political opponents threw at him for five years, nobody should be surprised at that possibility.
I think it can be both. Trump has a mesmerizing personality that very few in human history have shown at this scale. Yeah he can be a complete buffoon but he can capture a crowd like very few others can. He was able to tap into parts of human nature that most people simply can't pull off. It's why the GOP and never Trumpers can't quit him. They know if he's gone, the people he was able to woo with his larger than life contrarian/fighter performance will go back to not voting again. He found incremental voters (as well as enemies). But no party is going to have a strategy of ditch voters who voted for then last time - even if that's healthier for the country and the party long term. Such is 2 party politics.
Well, if the GOP nominee promises to pardon everyone involved in J6, you gonna vote for him? Cause newsflash, that's gonna happen.
Been watching this game toooooo long. It ain't Trump. They've been the same way their whole lives. Whoever comes out on top, they'll treat that way. They can't help themselves.
As to the nomination battle, it'll be whoever successfully comes out as king ahole. Poll numbers right now don't mean dick. Maybe they all try to do it and it becomes a self defeating strategy, that 2016 was an aberration in that Trump did that and everyone else deferred and shyed away and let him. Maybe someone like Tim Scott is the only adult in the room and squeaks out a win. Let's hope. But much more likely than not someone comes with the putdowns and comebacks that the base loves, and they're the next cult leader. Cults replace leaders all the time btw, sometimes there's a smoother grifter in the crowd that steals the crown.
Got damn I'm dizzy. So much spin and rationalization of an embarrassing stain if American politics. You made it sound so easy to call out nonsense earlier. Guess that wasn't in good faith and your were simply just moving goal posts.
Scott's campaign is too optimistic for the climate today. I found myself enjoying his speech when he declared even though we probably don't have a lot of policy common ground. Politicians need enemies now. "The country is going to hell!" "Battle for the soul of the nation".
Correct - the gop bases it's nominee off who Democrats dislike the most. Most of us disagree politically with Scott, or Niki Haley, or whoever but don't find them personally abhorrent.
I'm wondering if there's a place for Youngkin to have it fall in his lap in the event Trump ends up with a guilty verdict or cuts a deal to save himself. His numbers in VA are very solid. He wouldn't be quite so polarizing to independents as Desantis would. If Trump were out of the way (no, I don't think it'll happen), then I could see the GOP a having the opportunity to reset and make a numbers based nomination instead of attempting to go the biggest *** hole/own the libs route. That strategy appeases the incremental maga/trump voters to the detriment of appealing to independents and swing districts. I think they use Trump's eventual exit as that reset point - hopefully that is sooner than later. If they don't then I'm onboard with your "they've always been this way" assessment.
Believing that JFK Jr. is still alive and WILL be resurfacing to SAVE OUR COUNTRY is Q.
Pot kettle.
My expectations for the transfer of power are higher than what happens in 3rd world destabilized countries.
Trump wast trying to hold onto power, but Trump was trying to figure out how to win.
Yeah, just invalidate valid votes and give yourself the win. Nothing wrong with that apparently, our bad. Totally different than dictators.**
That's a good question. You'll have to come back in football season or the next election and see. I've never seen such a charged environment everywhere, and so many, so certain they know who the real boogie man is. The only thing I've experienced about the real boogie man is he is not very visible. On purpose.
I think (or hope) the controversy is just because of the lead actor, Jim Caviezel, who has apparently said some pretty crazy Qanon **** before. If the lead was played by Ryan Gosling or Pedro Pascal, it would probably be getting Oscar buzz. The subject matter isn’t controversial at all, or shouldn’t be.I could be glib and note that since there are over 180 posts in this thread that the movie must be controversial because if it were boring…
Anybody bringing up politics at the tailgate isn't invited to the next tailgate.
You will…..as soon as they get the nomination and start gaining momentum.
It's unfortunate. Americans have always been opinionated. Democracy means there's always another election that gives your team a chance to win. That's how it's always worked. I think with so many things being politicized, it's forcing Americans to take sides and to catastrophize. The pandemic and the government response didn't help. We're not used to that. And too many angry people are determined to get their way and regard anyone who disagrees as a heretic. I don't take things personally and I've had disagreements with family members. We have more in common, though, something we all realize. I've worked on a couple of political campaigns in the past. Dirty stuff happens because winning is important. Some people, candidates and their families mainly, develop grudges. Most people just moved on to the next thing and consultants look for the next paycheck.
Duly noted. I'll come in peace. With beer, wine, water, softdrinks, wings, ribs or whatever's needed while wearing maroon and white.
