OT: The murders in IDAHO are insane relying on the reported facts so far. (Link)

Tom McAndrew

BWI Staff
Staff member
Oct 27, 2021
52,337
39,591
113
No, but the suspect was staying at his parents house. I believe they’re gonna have some explaining to do.

one of the articles I posted earlier today indicated that he didn't arrive at his parents until around Christmas. If that's accurate (no reason to doubt it at this time), his parents are probably as shocked by today's events as were the neighbors and pretty much everyone else that's even read about this saga.
 

Meat Lab

Well-known member
Oct 25, 2021
347
571
93
one of the articles I posted earlier today indicated that he didn't arrive at his parents until around Christmas. If that's accurate (no reason to doubt it at this time), his parents are probably as shocked by today's events as were the neighbors and pretty much everyone else that's even read about this saga.
Ah, didn’t see that Tom. Point well taken.
 

LionsAndBears

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2021
1,742
3,033
113
I'd be willing to bet that catching him has saved lives- this guy was going to kill again

No doubt. Wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't his first time either.

Reminds me of Timothy Krajcir, who was a local Serial Killer that also studied Criminal Justice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bison13

Mr. Potter

Well-known member
Oct 18, 2021
1,300
2,638
113
What if he didn't do it? It's not beyond the pale to think let's just hang someone to put the matter to rest. Police and District attorneys have done this for centuries. I'll be interested to see the unsealed affidavit of probable cause for arrest.
 

PSUJam

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
10,627
19,081
113
one of the articles I posted earlier today indicated that he didn't arrive at his parents until around Christmas. If that's accurate (no reason to doubt it at this time), his parents are probably as shocked by today's events as were the neighbors and pretty much everyone else that's even read about this saga.
His father actually flew out there and drove back to PA with him. He was also pulled over twice by police and released for following too close then speeding in Indiana.
 
Last edited:
  • Wow
Reactions: TheBigUglies

Woodpecker

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
3,402
6,523
113
What if he didn't do it? It's not beyond the pale to think let's just hang someone to put the matter to rest. Police and District attorneys have done this for centuries. I'll be interested to see the unsealed affidavit of probable cause for arrest.
I've heard that forensic genealogy was used. That implies that his DNA was at the scene. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
 

LionJim

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
10,668
14,741
113
I've heard that forensic genealogy was used. That implies that his DNA was at the scene. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Also, I’ve read that they have CCTV of Kohberger following the victims around weeks before the murders. He always seemed to show up when they were around. Can’t confirm this story at the moment.
 

LionJim

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
10,668
14,741
113
Also, I’ve read that they have CCTV of Kohberger following the victims around weeks before the murders. He always seemed to show up when they were around. Can’t confirm this story at the moment.
I can confirm that Kohberger was at the scene when the bodies were removed from the house. He made a TikTik video of it.

Edit This is fake news. Shame on me.
 
Last edited:
  • Wow
Reactions: PSUJam

JakkL

Member
Oct 12, 2021
239
257
43
You would think he'd have learned to NOT return to the scene of his crime in his Criminal Justice curriculum.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mr. Potter

Nits74

Well-known member
Oct 19, 2021
1,087
1,741
113
Heard today that he changed license plates from PA to Washington sometime after the murders,
 

Bwifan

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,509
2,744
113

Mufasa94

Active member
Oct 12, 2021
346
480
63
This is downright scary and chilling to read. Whoever this murderer was sounds like a serial killer with mask on and had this planned...

So at 4 something AM, surviving roommate hears one roommate say someone’s here, shortly after another crying, and then an unknown figure go past her so that she was frozen by shock.

Don’t understand why authorities weren’t notified until about noon. Did this surviving roommate not continually text and then call all the roommates, and then if no response her best thought was to wait until the late morning?
 

Bwifan

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,509
2,744
113
So at 4 something AM, surviving roommate hears one roommate say someone’s here, shortly after another crying, and then an unknown figure go past her so that she was frozen by shock.

Don’t understand why authorities weren’t notified until about noon. Did this surviving roommate not continually text and then call all the roommates, and then if no response her best thought was to wait until the late morning?

No idea I am sure this will all come out in the wash as more of the facts of the case are released and in the courtroom, why they took so long to notify authorities etc.
If true, how horrifying to have someone dressed in black with a mask on come at you in the middle of the night.
 
Oct 12, 2021
1,854
3,146
113

LionJim

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
10,668
14,741
113
Some questions:

Had Kohberger been questioned by authorities before he left for Pennsylvania? (My own answer: probably.)

Does he have any sort of alibi? (Probably home in bed, at best.)

Kohberger’s DNA was found on a knife sheath found at the murder scene. How the hell does that happen? Supposing Kohberger inadvertently left this sheath, imagine his shock when he discovers that he does not know where it is.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mr. Potter

Paruffus

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2021
1,131
1,006
113
The newly released docs provide a great view of how they identified him. Great police work. And screw anyone that demands the public know every detail about the investigation before they have a suspect in custody. Keeping a lid on it undoubtedly helped to capture the POS alive to face his fate.
"...undoubtedly helped"... No. IMO - Keeping this quiet was The Key.
 

Bwifan

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,509
2,744
113
Some questions:

Had Kohberger been questioned by authorities before he left for Pennsylvania? (My own answer: probably.)

Does he have any sort of alibi? (Probably home in bed, at best.)

Kohberger’s DNA was found on a knife sheath found at the murder scene. How the hell does that happen? Supposing Kohberger inadvertently left this sheath, imagine his shock when he discovers that he does not know where it is.

Saw a government trial lawyer explaining the differences in DNA on a tv show the other day and found it interesting. Said for example if you touch a door knob or fork you leave DNA. That DNA is different than the DNA like blood, sem@n, fecal matter. The later are very hard to dispute, we will see which type of DNA they have but most likely its blood which is very hard to argue away. One thing to say you were at the premises for a party etc and touching things but when you have multiple blood points of DNA that is difficult to explain away. As well as that is why they want the car so bad so see if there is blood stains on the seats or steering wheel especially the blood DNA of any of the victims. If they get that evidence very difficult for any lawyer to argue away. Found the interview very interesting listening to the types of DNA.
 

WestSideLion

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2021
3,311
3,668
113
Saw a government trial lawyer explaining the differences in DNA on a tv show the other day and found it interesting. Said for example if you touch a door knob or fork you leave DNA. That DNA is different than the DNA like blood, sem@n, fecal matter. The later are very hard to dispute, we will see which type of DNA they have but most likely its blood which is very hard to argue away. One thing to say you were at the premises for a party etc and touching things but when you have multiple blood points of DNA that is difficult to explain away. As well as that is why they want the car so bad so see if there is blood stains on the seats or steering wheel especially the blood DNA of any of the victims. If they get that evidence very difficult for any lawyer to argue away. Found the interview very interesting listening to the types of DNA.
If his blood or skin was on the knife sheath at the scene, he's done. That's effectively the murder weapon even if they don't find the knife. There's no disputing that level of DNA evidence at a crime scene. It would be impossible to tamper with or plant too, so there's no arguing for reasonable doubt either.
 

Mr. Potter

Well-known member
Oct 18, 2021
1,300
2,638
113
If his blood or skin was on the knife sheath at the scene, he's done. That's effectively the murder weapon even if they don't find the knife. There's no disputing that level of DNA evidence at a crime scene. It would be impossible to tamper with or plant too, so there's no arguing for reasonable doubt either.
I agree. But to play devils advocate, whose else DNA was at the crime scene, it surely can't just be his, even if he is the one. The victims DNA has to be there. Playing along further; its been stated this was the party house? Who else was there within the 24 hrs before death. The other odd thing is the roomate who stated they saw a masked figure leaving after hearing crys?


12 angry men is what this is becoming.
 
Oct 12, 2021
1,854
3,146
113
I agree. But to play devils advocate, whose else DNA was at the crime scene, it surely can't just be his, even if he is the one. The victims DNA has to be there. Playing along further; its been stated this was the party house? Who else was there within the 24 hrs before death. The other odd thing is the roomate who stated they saw a masked figure leaving after hearing crys?


12 angry men is what this is becoming.
This is just the affidavit. There's a lot more to come.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LionJim

Mr. Potter

Well-known member
Oct 18, 2021
1,300
2,638
113
I'm still trying to wrap my head around 4 people being murdered with a knife by this guy. Mike Tyson, a ninja assasin, some hardcore gangster, I can see accomplishing the feat, and possible getting away, prior to the arrest. My logic is saying something is missing. All I can say is wow; and I don't know sh-t. Just speculating.

Shalom
 
  • Like
Reactions: ODShowtime

Bwifan

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,509
2,744
113
If his blood or skin was on the knife sheath at the scene, he's done. That's effectively the murder weapon even if they don't find the knife. There's no disputing that level of DNA evidence at a crime scene. It would be impossible to tamper with or plant too, so there's no arguing for reasonable doubt either.
As well as any DNA or skin under the his or victims fingernails. The reports said 1 of the victims had self defense wounds so if they have found eithers DNA under victims or accused fingernails that is another nail in the coffin.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mr. Potter
Oct 12, 2021
1,854
3,146
113
I'm still trying to wrap my head around 4 people being murdered with a knife by this guy. Mike Tyson, a ninja assasin, some hardcore gangster, I can see accomplishing the feat, and possible getting away, prior to the arrest. My logic is saying something is missing. All I can say is wow; and I don't know sh-t. Just speculating.

Shalom
I'm addicted to crime vids, and I've seen other cases where it was hard to believe that one person could kill that many people at once. I remember one case in Australia where a 120 pound teen killed three people - father, mother, and teen daughter with a knife. It's not that unusual, unfortunately. Remember, they were in bed and asleep, except for maybe the first gal who had ordered food. The element of surprise and adrenaline is on the side of the perp. The perp is real excited. Defending yourself against a knife attack isn't easy, especially if you're asleep after a full night of partying.
 
Last edited:

ManxomeLion

Well-known member
Aug 24, 2017
939
1,381
93
Affidavit of probable cause -


Last page of the affidavit suggests the murders occurred at night but others reports indicate it was 4:30 am. The rest of the evidence seems solid. Or am I misreading it?
 

C1976

Active member
Feb 24, 2022
155
323
63
Not reading everything written here but it was said his DNA was on the snap of the sheath which was near the young woman who was in bed with the young man. I just hope they get through this quickly. I find it extremely frustrating that the POS who killed the fine people in the Pittsburgh synagogue 4 years ago might still be years from going to trial and they found him in the building!
 
Oct 12, 2021
1,854
3,146
113
Not reading everything written here but it was said his DNA was on the snap of the sheath which was near the young woman who was in bed with the young man. I just hope they get through this quickly. I find it extremely frustrating that the POS who killed the fine people in the Pittsburgh synagogue 4 years ago might still be years from going to trial and they found him in the building!
The knife sheath was in the other bedroom next to one of the two women who were sleeping together, not next to or underneath the man as had been initially rumored.

As I entered this bedroom, I could see two females in the single bed in the room. Both
Goncalves and Mogen were deceased with visible stab wounds. I also later noticed what
appered to be a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogen's right side (when
viewed from the door).
The sheath was later processed and had "Ka-Bar" 'USMC" and the
Unicd State.s Marine Corps eagle globe and anchor insignia stamped on the outside of it. The
Idaho state lab later located a single source ofmale DNA (suspect Profile) left on the button
snap ofthe knife sheath.
 
  • Like
Reactions: C1976 and PSUJam
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login