Thanks, that's what I thought. But the last page of the application for the warrant
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OT: The murders in IDAHO are insane relying on the reported facts so far. (Link)
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Yeah, that's really confusing. It's in the context of other times that they have record of the phone in the area on Nov. 13. Here is the preceding paragraph -
Further analysis of the cellular data provided showed the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources on November 13, 2022 consistent with the Phone travelling from Pullman, Washington to Lewiston, Idaho via US Highway 195. At approximately 12:36 p.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to Kate's Cup of Joe coffee stand located at 810 Port Drive, Clarkston, WA. Surveillance footage from the US Chef's Store located at 820 Port Drive, Clarkson, WA and adjacent to Kate's Cup of Joe showed a white Elantra, consistent with Suspect Vehicle l, drive past Kate's Cup of Joe at a time consistent with the cellular data from the 8548 Phone.
I think this shows that he came back to the area later on Nov. 13 - after the murders. Really confusing.
I may be wrong, I believe they got his father's DNA out the garbage outside of his house in PA and found that to be a match of the crime scene. That's some good detective work.
You are correct, sir! It sure is good detective work.
Trash recovered from the Kohberger family residence by Pennsylvania law enforcement and sent to the Idaho State Lab for DNA testing was used to help investigators narrow down Bryan Kohberger as the suspect in the Idaho student murders, according to court documents released Thursday.
“On December 27, 2022, Pennsylvania Agents recovered the trash from the Kohberger family residence located in Albrightsville, PA. That evidence was sent to the Idaho State Lab for testing,” the document says.
The next day “the Idaho State Lab reported that a DNA profile obtained from the trash” matched a tan leather knife sheath found “laying on the bed” of one of the victims.
“On December 28, 2022, the Idaho State Lab reported that a DNA profile obtained from the trash and the DNA profile obtained from the sheath, identified a male as not being excluded as the biological father of Suspect Profile,” the document says.
“At least 99.9998% of the male population would be expected to be excluded from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father.”
Also establishes a link between the phone and the car (and who's driving it). I guess it will all come to light soon enough!
I read what you read but obviously mistook the names and sexes. I tend not to get tied up in the details of news stories much. Airplane crashes, that one that went missing several years ago, mass shootings, hurricanes and floods, whatever tend to interest me for a day or so then the realization that lives are lost and ruined removes me from wanting to know much more. It’s all too sad and reminds me of Don Henley’s song Dirty Laundry and the classic line about the news, “ Is the head dead yet?”
Yeah, this makes absolutely no sense to me. You hear those things at 4:15 a.m., and then a masked man walks past you and out of the place, and you don't even check with your roommates? I can get her being frozen in the moment, but after he's gone, she just heads back to bed and thinks nothing more of it until NOON the next day? It just defies all logic.
Kohberger is the killer as multiple law enforcement agencies put a terrific multi dimensional factorial cross country criminal investigation together to prove it. My belief is that law enforcement has more that will subsequently be disclosed.
Bryan Kohberger was a cool cucumber in court yesterday. If he hasn’t already seen the initial findings he will at which point he’ll realize that he is a prisoner of his own actions .
Some have said how smart Kohberger is which I’m not in agreement with. He’s certainly ignored or discounted many (benign) investigative resources that help pin the murders on him….cameras, cell towers and the history they build, dna
on objects, personal characteristics (eye brows), license plate swapping, and more.
This dude is at the very least going to prison for the remainder of his natural life and perhaps will be executed. Admission of his guilt will probably save the execution part.
We should never forget what real professionals our police officers and agencies are.
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Bryan Kohberger was a cool cucumber in court yesterday. If he hasn’t already seen the initial findings he will at which point he’ll realize that he is a prisoner of his own actions .
Some have said how smart Kohberger is which I’m not in agreement with. He’s certainly ignored or discounted many (benign) investigative resources that help pin the murders on him….cameras, cell towers and the history they build, dna
on objects, personal characteristics (eye brows), license plate swapping, and more.This dude is at the very least going to prison for the remainder of his natural life and perhaps will be executed. Admission of his guilt will probably save the execution part.
We should never forget what real professionals our police officers and agencies are.
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Is this factual LionJim? I have not read this anywhere else. It seems it would be big news.
On a different note, he leaves his knife sheath at the scene......what?
Pretty clear that law enforcement had this guy as a suspect long before Christmas, they played it exactly right!
Possible Incel case, involuntary celebate. Yes, it's a popular modern term primarily geared towards angry young men who are not hooking up and are blaming the females. All kind of web sites for this crowd. Many of us here are like Al Bundy and have reluctantly accepted our fate. One possible angle being looked into is that the killer previously met one or more of the women and got rebuffed. Anecdotal reports of Bryan getting chippy with other women who spurned his flirting advances.
Also classmates from high school said he was constantly bullied. Girls would throw things at him in class, verbally make fun of him and put him down constantly. It would get so bad he would actually have to run away from people making fun of him.
I'd never heard of an Incel before and I wish I hadn't. I just read a couple of articles and it's disturbing for sure.
My belief is that the dude is a genuine sociopath who saw shows like Dexter and copied those plot lines. He clearly attempted to get into criminology and law enforcement. I think his motivation was to better understand how to commit these types of crimes and get away with them.
IF this was his first murder (TBC, IMO), then I think he spent a lot of time and energy trying to plan it. He wasn't smart enough or things didn't go as planned and he got caught rather quickly. It's damned near impossible to do this stuff in this day and age. Just the amount of public genetic information available means that virtually any crime where DNA is present will be solved eventually. All a perp needs is some cousin to send a swab into 23 and me, and blammo, you're busted.
Interesting theory and certainly provides a motive. It's just a crying shame for the four victims who may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time if this was a pattern with the suspect.
So true. Not to mention that there are cameras everywhere, which is really how quickly became a suspect. Same thing as the Boston bombing case. Police had those two on multiple security cameras walking toward the scene instead of running away. No matter how smart you are, it's really difficult to get away with a high profile crime like this.
Yeah. My hunch is that the Feds have far wider reach into CCTV cameras (bank atms, traffic cameras, Ring, Nest and other cloud-based services) than the public realizes. I thought I read a stat that the typical American is on camera 50+ times a day if they live in a more urban area. That is likely still 10 or so times a day in a rural place like Moscow, ID.
I haven't really kept up with things but how did investigators know to look into the trash of someone 3000 miles away to connect DNA from a crime scene blood drop to a potential relative?
The reports say that authorities tracked the suspect while he drove cross country. That indicates they'd already established a connection between him and the crimes before he got to PA.
I think I read it was initially the white sedan and then phone pings placing him in the area at the time of the murders. So all they had to do was establish where he was going before getting a warrant to collect DNA via his parents' trash.
He actually did return to the crime scene area in the morning and remained there for almost 10 minutes. It's like an arsonist returning to the scene of the crime. I worked with a former fire chief and he said that the police would watch news video to see who showed up at the scene of a fire if it was suspicious. Often times they would catch the guy watching what he caused.
From article:
"According to the affidavit, police tracked Kohberger's cell phone leaving his home at about 9 a.m. on November 13 and traveling to Moscow.
The cell phone was pinged at the scene of the crime minutes later, according to the court documents, which say the phone "utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to the King Road residence between 9:12 a.m. and 9:21 a.m."
The phone was then tracked traveling back to the area where Kohberger lives and arriving there at about 9:32 a.m., the affidavit states."
Court documents reveal a detailed timeline of the University of Idaho killings suspect's whereabouts before and after the stabbings
Records obtained by police showed Kohberger's phone was near the victims' home at least a dozen times before the November killings, an affidavit said.
www.insider.com
Also, the car had a PA license plate during the crime that probably was registered at the PA residence. He transferred the registration to Washington 5 days after the crime. Police spotted his car at his apartment in Washington on Nov. 29th and started looking at his phone records leading to the DNA check in Pennsylvania on Dec. 27th.
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And we both value our credibility by admitting the mistake ASAP. Respect to you.
I made a reputation at work for being a no BS straight shooter. It really helped make my job easier.
so this guy, a masters in criminology, leaves a knife sheath? there's no blood tracks, no blood on clothes? why that house?
this is almost too easy, convenient. any person who has an in-depth knowledge of law enforcement/criminology would wear rubber gloves, not leave evidence behind. probably would wear some sort of protective clothing. yet the roommate said none of that. how do you murder 4 people with a knife, but not have any blood on your shoes to leave a track? no blood on clothes, nothing. there's a lot no one is saying. what's the motive? who cares if he was bullied in high school. what's the motive to kill these 4 people, and not the remaining 2? why that house? it's too specific.
this is almost too easy, convenient. any person who has an in-depth knowledge of law enforcement/criminology would wear rubber gloves, not leave evidence behind. probably would wear some sort of protective clothing. yet the roommate said none of that. how do you murder 4 people with a knife, but not have any blood on your shoes to leave a track? no blood on clothes, nothing. there's a lot no one is saying. what's the motive? who cares if he was bullied in high school. what's the motive to kill these 4 people, and not the remaining 2? why that house? it's too specific.
I’d there’s anything out there with answers to your questions I haven’t seen it.
Grabbing trash is basic to police work. Bryan was / is a prime suspect at the time.
It appears that the original claim that they had first done genealogical DNA testing was wrong. Therefore, they relied on the vehicle ID, cell phone records, and eyewitness description provided by the roommate who was in a state of "frozen shock" to identify him. I think it was the white Elantra on surveillance footage that gave them the best lead. Then they scavenged his parents' garbage to get the Y chromosome match to his father. Well, who we think is his father. It might turn out that one of the garbage men is his father.
EDIT: This article makes the case that forensic genealogy was done but that they've kept it under wraps.
Police Haven’t Said How They Cracked the Idaho Murders. This Is How.
Investigators found suspect Bryan Kohberger with the method that solved the Golden State Killer case. But they aren’t saying so.
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Maybe he simply wasn’t thinking clearly. He twice gets stopped by the police in Indiana and it seemingly doesn’t register that the cops might have eyes on him. He put his trash in the neighbor’s bins at 4am; these are the actions of someone who doesn’t think he’s being followed. Boy, this is going to play well with a jury. This is circumstantial evidence, sure, but damning circumstantial evidence.
They also reportedly have surveillance of him repeatedly wearing latex gloves outside of the PA home and he also reportedly did a deep clean on the car interior.
And you definitely don’t need a warrant to grab trash left at the curb.
He was also throwing "garbage" in his neighbors garbage can at 4:00 am at the PA house while under surveillance. Just smart enough to be stupid.
So, police had a pretty good idea that this guy was the prime suspect sometime in early December, right?
And they took a month to build the case - no issue there.
Were they surveilling this guy 24/7 in the month of December when the whole region was freaking out? There had to be a very real notion that this guy was going to kill someone else.
And they took a month to build the case - no issue there.
Were they surveilling this guy 24/7 in the month of December when the whole region was freaking out? There had to be a very real notion that this guy was going to kill someone else.
His car was identified as one of the white Elantras in the area on Nov. 29 by WSU police. It was at that time they determined that he also fit the roommate DM's description of the masked man who she saw leave out the sliding glass door. It wasn't until Dec. 7 that Moscow police publicly announced that they were looking to speak the owner of a white 2011-13 Elantra (later revised to a 2011-16 model) that was seen in the area
on surveillance footage around the time of the murder. He and his father left his WSU apartment on Dec. 13(?), the same day his plates were captured in Loma, CO.
I hope that he was under surveillance in some form from Nov. 29 onwards. The Moscow police got a warrant to track his cell phone on Dec. 23. The FBI had him under surveillance starting on Dec. 26. The FBI agents grabbed the garbage for DNA testing on Dec. 27, the next day. Others have said that the Indiana stops had to be orchestrated by the FBI. The FBI denies it though. I even saw an ex-FBI agent who said that she was sure that they FBI had orchestrated those stops.
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