OT: To PSU Admin lurkers regarding the "mysterious" 10 year drought in athletics fundraising

[Zenophile]

Disclaimer: Though Dr. Spanier's book has been very well received, it seems notable to mention that because it's written from his perspective, it cannot be taken as "gospel." That said, it is far, far closer to a factual accounting of the events dating back to 2011 than any of the BS narratives you have attempted to feed us. And We Are all very well aware of this.

Perhaps it's time to make amends with your alumni.

 

[PSUFTG]

Disclaimer: Though Dr. Spanier's book has been very well received, it seems notable to mention that because it's written from his perspective, it cannot be taken as "gospel." That said, it is far, far closer to a factual accounting of the events dating back to 2011 than any of the BS narratives that you have attempted to feed us. And We Are all very well aware of this.

Perhaps it's time to make amends with your alumni.

Philanthropy and Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics (substack.com)

 

[ValleyForgeLion]

From Barry's post. Doesn't get more damning than this. But I got to ask --- at this point 12 years later how can they make amends? Every year they dig in it gets harder. All those other schools have had their scandals but not one of them threw the coach and alumni under the bus. Now it looks like they can't even write a check for $8 million dollars for some new scoreboards.

 

[fairgambit]

Disclaimer: Though Dr. Spanier's book has been very well received, it seems notable to mention that because it's written from his perspective, it cannot be taken as "gospel." That said, it is far, far closer to a factual accounting of the events dating back to 2011 than any of the BS narratives that you have attempted to feed us. And We Are all very well aware of this.

Perhaps it's time to make amends with your alumni.

There will be no reconciliation. Time will pass. Members of the Board of Trustees and Administration will come and go. Eventually, there will be sufficient turnover for a fresh start, but it will be done without mea culpas from anyone. There will be a token honoring of Joe, but the rest of it will pass into history without a mention. Occasionally the ghosts of the past will resurface, but only briefly and with little attention to the details. So be it.

 

[Metal Mike]

It is not only athletic donating, but general donating. I used to contirbute to my college for years prior to the 2011. I have not given a cent since.

 

[ChandlerPearce]

There will be no reconciliation. Time will pass. Members of the Board of Trustees and Administration will come and go. Eventually, there will be sufficient turnover for a fresh start, but it will be done without mea culpas from anyone. There will be a token honoring of Joe, but the rest of it will pass into history without a mention. Occasionally the ghosts of the past will resurface, but only briefly and with little attention to the details. So be it.

Sadly i agree.....only time will erase the injustice created thru the Freeh report authorized and funded by our BOT. Already there are signs young alumni and students haven't a clue as to who and what Joe Paterno was for Penn State....demonstrated by remarks of new members of BWI. It has been 43 years since my class graduation...as I and my peers age and head off this journey called life, the young replacements do not possess the knowledge of all Joe did....nor do they care. Sadly i feel i will never witness the reconcilliation necessary for our alumni base to regain the position of strength one upon time from years past.

 

[HappyValley1]

It’s embarrassing that people who used to give and support our school and athletic programs won’t because of JVP.

If you actually believe that Joe would want that or would support that view, I don’t know what to tell you.

He isn’t going to be honored in a lengthy tribute, the field isn’t being named after him, and the statue isn’t going back up. Best case is it finds a new home at the sports museum, which is probably a good idea to keep it from being vandalized.

 

[ODShowtime]

Just this week a very prominent attorney from ohio spit in my eye about Paterno, so nothing has blown over and jerkoffs will be able to dunk on us for the rest of our lives.

 

[Mr. Nickels 11]

It’s embarrassing that people who used to give and support our school and athletic programs won’t because of JVP.

If you actually believe that Joe would want that or would support that view, I don’t know what to tell you.

He isn’t going to be honored in a lengthy tribute, the field isn’t being named after him, and the statue isn’t going back up. Best case is it finds a new home at the sports museum, which is probably a good idea to keep it from being vandalized.

You are dim

 

[HappyValley1]

You are dim

Thank you!

 

[BobPSU92]

It’s embarrassing that people who used to give and support our school and athletic programs won’t because of JVP.

If you actually believe that Joe would want that or would support that view, I don’t know what to tell you.

He isn’t going to be honored in a lengthy tribute, the field isn’t being named after him, and the statue isn’t going back up. Best case is it finds a new home at the sports museum, which is probably a good idea to keep it from being vandalized.

You seem to forget, perhaps conveniently, that Penn State’s “leaders” in 2011 and 2012 blamed us, alumni and fans, for contributing to the faux culture problem. Penn State’s “leaders” since then have done nothing to make amends.

 

[Zenophile]

It’s embarrassing that people who used to give and support our school and athletic programs won’t because of JVP.

If you actually believe that Joe would want that or would support that view, I don’t know what to tell you.

He isn’t going to be honored in a lengthy tribute, the field isn’t being named after him, and the statue isn’t going back up. Best case is it finds a new home at the sports museum, which is probably a good idea to keep it from being vandalized.

Are you suggesting that Penn State should avoid reconciling with it's alumni?

 

[Bwifan]

It’s embarrassing that people who used to give and support our school and athletic programs won’t because of JVP.

If you actually believe that Joe would want that or would support that view, I don’t know what to tell you.

He isn’t going to be honored in a lengthy tribute, the field isn’t being named after him, and the statue isn’t going back up. Best case is it finds a new home at the sports museum, which is probably a good idea to keep it from being vandalized.

So tell us oh wise one ... how do we express our displeasure at how the BOT treated Alumni, Joe and fans of the program. Do we sit in the corner and hold our breath until they cave? We just take it and not stand up for ourselves? The one way we can express our displeasure is by simply stop giving. Not only that when they call for money we tell them we will not give another dime until the alumni and Joe are apologized to for being blamed. If you can't see that or are not willing to stand up for what you believe in, as you say I don't know what to tell you.

 

[marshall23]

Tar and feather the OGBOT at halftime. 2k per seat × 107k I'm in for 4 seats.

 

[HappyValley1]

So tell us oh wise one ... how do we express our displeasure at how the BOT treated Alumni, Joe and fans of the program. Do we sit in the corner and hold our breath until they cave? We just take it and not stand up for ourselves? The one way we can express our displeasure is by simply stop giving. Not only that when they call for money we tell them we will not give another dime until the alumni and Joe are apologized to for being blamed. If you can't see that or are not willing to stand up for what you believe in, as you say I don't know what to tell you.

Then don’t give? I don’t care what you do with your money. Just understand that JVP wouldn’t want people holding back financial support for the football program on his account. And deep down, you all know this.

 

[HappyValley1]

Are you suggesting that Penn State should avoid reconciling with its alumni?

If it’s the portion of alumni not donating because they care more about JVP than the university and football program, absolutely.

 

[Bwifan]

Then don’t give? I don’t care what you do with your money. Just understand that JVP wouldn’t want people holding back financial support for the football program on his account. And deep down, you all know this.

You obviously do care or are trolling, otherwise you wouldn't keep commenting on everyone's posts. You failed to answer any of my and others questions.
1. How should alumni express their displeasure with the BOT for alumni and Joe being blamed?
2. Are you saying PSU should not reconcile with their alumni base and the Paterno family?
3. How do you know what JVP would want? Did you know Joe and the Paterno family?

 

[fairgambit]

It’s embarrassing that people who used to give and support our school and athletic programs won’t because of JVP.

If you actually believe that Joe would want that or would support that view, I don’t know what to tell you.

He isn’t going to be honored in a lengthy tribute, the field isn’t being named after him, and the statue isn’t going back up. Best case is it finds a new home at the sports museum, which is probably a good idea to keep it from being vandalized.

Embarrassing? Really?
I make donations to institutions that have earned my trust and share my values. Penn State no longer does either. This is not just about Joe. Its about a Board of Trustees and Administration that, due to incompetence, self interest, or both, are incapable of leading this university forward. In good conscience I can no longer support their mismanagement. Joe would have applauded that decision.

 

[HappyValley1]

You obviously do care or are trolling, otherwise you wouldn't keep commenting on everyone's posts. You failed to answer any of my and others questions.
1. How should alumni express their displeasure with the BOT for alumni and Joe being blamed?
2. Are you saying PSU should not reconcile with their alumni base and the Paterno family?
3. How do you know what JVP would want? Did you know Joe and the Paterno family?

1) However you like. It’s not going to change anything.
2)The majority of the alumni base is over this topic.
3) Joe LOVED coaching and more than that, winning. If you think he’d support people hurting the football program by not giving, you’re out of touch with reality.

 

[Nits74]

I for one am pleased to see the drop in alumni donations. Consequences, consequences.

 

[ValleyForgeLion]

Just understand that JVP wouldn’t want people holding back financial support for the football program on his account. And deep down, you all know this.

I agree, but I don't think Joe cared much one way or the other about football donations. He and SuePa did raise $1B for the library.

We're withholding any contribution because of the lies, slander, self-dealing, and CYA that went on after the Sandusky Scandal blew up. And like somebody already said, the blaming the alumni. Karen Peetz's personal PR firm (paid for by Penn State) told her to repeat: "This will all blow over in 2 or 3 years and no one will remember it.".

The contempt the Board of Trustees has for the alumni is limitless. Just look at the way they treat Barry. And if they think the new grads are going to be coughing up any money it looks like they're wrong there too. They have no loyalty.

 

[Bwifan]

1) However you like. It’s not going to change anything.
2)The majority of the alumni base is over this topic.
3) Joe LOVED coaching and more than that, winning. If you think he’d support people hurting the football program by not giving, you’re out of touch with reality.

Folks as Bob would say... This is what we are up against. This is our new generation. I don't even know where to begin, or this was just a really bad job at trolling. SMH

 

[HappyValley1]

I for one am pleased to see the drop in alumni donations. Consequences, consequences.

I’m not. I would think the people that cared about the values that Joe preached would be happy that our current coach has done such a great job continuing those practices.

I also think he deserves the same financial support Joe got.

 

[WyomingLion]

If it’s the portion of alumni not donating because they care more about JVP than the university and football program, absolutely.

No, it’s about supporting an institution that has no understanding of morality.

 

[HappyValley1]

Folks as Bob would say... This is what we are up against. This is our new generation. I don't even know where to begin, or this was just a really bad job at trolling. SMH

You can begin by opening your checkbook for James and the football program, they deserve the support and have zero to do with the BOTs handling of JVP.

 

[GrimReaper]

Then don’t give? I don’t care what you do with your money. Just understand that JVP wouldn’t want people holding back financial support for the football program on his account. And deep down, you all know this.

If it’s the portion of alumni not donating because they care more about JVP than the university and football program, absolutely.

Not entirely, pilgrim. I know an alum who would probably be considered a major donor if and when all was said and done.. His annual contributions were in the mid- to high five /low six figure amounts. He fully endowed a chair. He included a sizeable bequest to PSU in his will. That all stopped
as the result of PSU's behavior in the aftermath of Sandusky.

None of his money went to the Athletic Department, it was earmarked to his College. While he didn't like what happened to Joe, that was secondary to other behavior of the University. When none of the powers that were, stood up to defend the University, the annual contributions stopped. When PSU simply shoveled money into the coffers of alleged victims without making a serious attempt to vet any of the claims, the University was written out of his will.

In summary, it was less a matter of Joe than it was abject capitulation to the mob and financial malfeasance

 

[Bwifan]

You can begin by opening your checkbook for James and the football program, they deserve the support and have zero to do with the BOTs handling of JVP.

Nice deflection again and not answering the questions. Again the alumni base of PSU is supposed to just accept the BOT blaming of Joe and the alumni for the JS mess. How much do you know of the JS mess and the BOT blaming the alumni? Do you agree with Karen Peetz?

 

[GrimReaper]

You can begin by opening your checkbook for James and the football program, they deserve the support and have zero to do with the BOTs handling of JVP.

I've asked this before, so maybe you have an answer, pilgrim. Has Coach Franklin put forth the same effort that Joe did to raise money for the football program and the University at large? We know that he can spend faster than Joe.

 

[Woodpecker]

Nice deflection again and not answering the questions. Again the alumni base of PSU is supposed to just accept the BOT blaming of Joe and the alumni for the JS mess. How much do you know of the JS mess and the BOT blaming the alumni? Do you agree with Karen Peetz?

Psst: HappyValley1 = Karen Peetz

 

[PSU12046]

Psst: HappyValley1 = Karen Peetz

That's some serious pearls . . .

 

[Niassne]

I for one am pleased to see the drop in alumni donations. Consequences, consequences.

Can I ask why this makes you pleased? The consequences of this weakens PSU in all areas not just sports. It's the case of two wrongs not making a right but two wrongs exacerbating a problem.

To respond to BWI Fan above

1. signs, sit ins, protests all possible. Use the money not donated to fly a banner. But bragging about withholding money out of spite seems odd. Can always do silently.
2. Yes, they should but what would be satisfactory. I have not heard of a proposal that would suffice except the idea we return to the way it was, which seems impossible.
3. Sue Paterno returned to PSU and Beaver stadium, why wouldn't others follow her example or assume forgiveness would be what the Paterno's would want?

 

[baltimorened]

You seem to forget, perhaps conveniently, that Penn State’s “leaders” in 2011 and 2012 blamed us, alumni and fans, for contributing to the faux culture problem. Penn State’s “leaders” since then have done nothing to make amends.

that's because they still believe it!

 

[baltimorened]

Not entirely, pilgrim. I know an alum who would probably be considered a major donor if and when all was said and done.. His annual contributions were in the mid- to high five /low six figure amounts. He fully endowed a chair. He included a sizeable bequest to PSU in his will. That all stopped
as the result of PSU's behavior in the aftermath of Sandusky.

None of his money went to the Athletic Department, it was earmarked to his College. While he didn't like what happened to Joe, that was secondary to other behavior of the University. When none of the powers that were, stood up to defend the University, the annual contributions stopped. When PSU simply shoveled money into the coffers of alleged victims without making a serious attempt to vet any of the claims, the University was written out of his will.

In summary, it was less a matter of Joe than it was abject capitulation to the mob and financial malfeasance

to me, it seemed as if the BOT believed that no matter what they did to the University's reputation, the athletic department, the alumni, the town of state college and Joe, that the solid, dependable student body, fan base and donors would stand behind them.
Face it, to that point who was concerned about the Board, other than the annual tuition increases. They all got their stipends, great meals, free tickets to games and lived happy lives with few hard decisions to make. It all fell apart in2012.

 

[BobPSU92]

Are you suggesting that Penn State should avoid reconciling with it's alumni?

F*ck us.

 

[BobPSU92]

I for one am pleased to see the drop in alumni donations. Consequences, consequences.

The old-guard trustees: “Consequences, schmonsequences. As long as I’m rich.”

 

[HappyValley1]

I've asked this before, so maybe you have an answer, pilgrim. Has Coach Franklin put forth the same effort that Joe did to raise money for the football program and the University at large? We know that he can spend faster than Joe.

He’s only spending faster than Joe because Joe neglected the program the last 10-15 years and we’re trying to play catch up.

 

[BobPSU92]

Not entirely, pilgrim. I know an alum who would probably be considered a major donor if and when all was said and done.. His annual contributions were in the mid- to high five /low six figure amounts. He fully endowed a chair. He included a sizeable bequest to PSU in his will. That all stopped
as the result of PSU's behavior in the aftermath of Sandusky.

None of his money went to the Athletic Department, it was earmarked to his College. While he didn't like what happened to Joe, that was secondary to other behavior of the University. When none of the powers that were, stood up to defend the University, the annual contributions stopped. When PSU simply shoveled money into the coffers of alleged victims without making a serious attempt to vet any of the claims, the University was written out of his will.

In summary, it was less a matter of Joe than it was abject capitulation to the mob and financial malfeasance

Imagine where we’d be if Penn State’s leaderers didn’t got this.

 

[Monty2007]

Embarrassing? Really?
I make donations to institutions that have earned my trust and share my values. Penn State no longer does either. This is not just about Joe. Its about a Board of Trustees and Administration that, due to incompetence, self interest, or both, are incapable of leading this university forward. In good conscience I can no longer support their mismanagement. Joe would have applauded that decision.

I'll add that this mismanagement has cost the university over $200 million in fines, court cases and lawyer fees over the scandal. What is the BOT's response to that.

 

[BobPSU92]

That's some serious pearls . . .

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Be right back.

 

[NewEra 2014]

Not entirely, pilgrim. I know an alum who would probably be considered a major donor if and when all was said and done.. His annual contributions were in the mid- to high five /low six figure amounts. He fully endowed a chair. He included a sizeable bequest to PSU in his will. That all stopped
as the result of PSU's behavior in the aftermath of Sandusky.

None of his money went to the Athletic Department, it was earmarked to his College. While he didn't like what happened to Joe, that was secondary to other behavior of the University. When none of the powers that were, stood up to defend the University, the annual contributions stopped. When PSU simply shoveled money into the coffers of alleged victims without making a serious attempt to vet any of the claims, the University was written out of his will.

In summary, it was less a matter of Joe than it was abject capitulation to the mob and financial malfeasance

Let’s put it this way. In regard to Penn State, I used to care about everything related to the University. Absolutely everything. Since 2011, I now only care about the football program. The PSU admin and BOT turned me into the type of alum they were criticizing.