I don’t agree with how the JS issue was handled or the scapegoating of JVP. I just would like the current football program to be on level ground with the big boys when it comes to areas like this.
OT: To PSU Admin lurkers regarding the "mysterious" 10 year drought in athletics fundraising
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Great. Let’s instead hope that your replies to this thread change everyone’s mind.
Again what about the scapegoating of the alumni? How should the alumni show the displeasure at being told you are one's who enriched this "culture" at PSU. You are sounding like someone with a culture problem who only cares about winning football, isn't this what the BOT told everyone was the problem at PSU? Your priorities are mixed up according to the BOT.
Hint: These people only care about money. Period. End of Story. These people will only listen when the faucet is turned off. The only way to get their attention is to shut off the money supply. Now the ball is in their court to see if they are willing to admit in public preferably a presser that they made a very large mistake scapegoating JVP and the alumni base of PSU and ask for forgiveness.
Donations to athletics say otherwise.
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So above it has been shown that the faucet has been turned off if we were ever in OSU's realm and it's been more than 10 years, why do you think money is all they care about? When do you think your public presser will happen?
Who in their right mind thinks there is ever going to be a presser that does these things?
Im an alumni and I don’t care about comments from 10 years ago. I don’t think the comments were fair, but I also can understand they were in an impossible spot and said some unfortunate and downright dumb things. However, the people who said those things are mostly gone and it’s not really fair to actively hurt the current football program over it.
Great. We should puff out our chests that we are actively hurting the football program.
They won’t. It just shows that people care more about JVP and themselves than the current program. You know, the program Joe built and gave his whole life to.
The notion that “anyone who is not actively helping is therefore hurting,” is what’s known as a false dichotomy.
But isn't if you are not doing what you did before to help, isn't that now hurting? So not actively helping is not therefore hurting, but doing things that are less than what was done before is hurting.
I suspect that you misunderstood the message of my initial post. Athletic department donations are objectively down. I simply suggested a pathway to see them increase.
And I have never stated what I was doing prior to or post 11/2011 in terms of support, so I am immaterial to the conversation. But the notion that I either do things the way @HappyValley1 says I should, or I’m wrong is absolutely a false dichotomy. And maybe a little dumb.
I hope I’ve answered your question(s).
What’s maybe a little dumb is having an obsession over a dead football coach and events that happened ten plus years ago. Then having the balls to hurt the current program over it and puff out our chests over it.
It’s not even “dumb”, it’s a loser mentality that I hope the newer generations of Penn Staters correct as the older generations die off.
No argument. I focused too much on the latter part of this stream. So my only question would be, what would making amends with Alumni in your view look like? I am truly interested in these opinions because I cannot figure out what would work. I was very happy to read in that one thread that the athletic department is reaching out and listening to older Alumni
Yours is an excellent question. And I’m not sure how exactly to thread that needle. The one thing I know for certain is having a report (actually it was only the executive summary of the report, but no one read beyond it) that refers to Penn Staters as pedophile enablers as the “Report of Record“ on the Sandusky incident probably isn’t helping matters. I’d probably start there.
Thrilled to hear that there’s been continued outreach (this began shortly after 2012 — I‘ve spoken with “them” a few times). My advice to “them” would be to begin demonstrating that you were listening.
Obsession over a dead football coach? Go live in Alabama for a couple decades and tell that to the Bama fans about Bear Bryant.
It’s also the case that Joe’s daughter, Mary Kay, has for years worked for years in alumni relations for the college of liberal arts. She is very supportive of Penn State.
why is it “embarrassing”?
One party was wrong here - and it wasn’t Joe!
Why can’t the party that was wrong just say so - why is that so hard ?!
Anybody who thinks contributions will suddenly rebound if the BOT simply does nothing is living in fantasy land and needs their head checked. That is the cold hard reality of the situation. The next move is clearly the bot's, and until they do something they are actively hurting the university.
I’ve advocated for the campus to be burned down to the ground for 12 years, but no one listens to me.
Contributions will not rebound if all the dead football coach supporters die for one reason that you fail to acknowledge. There is no one (so far) that can step into the void that was created when Joe was thrown under the bus and passed. Failure to acknowledge how much he was to the University in so many ways besides being a ”dead football coach” is beyond dense and hints of an agenda.
Yes, or an eristic argument. I usually give posters the benefit of the doubt but it is clear that HV1 is trolling.
Spot on. People should read the statement that Erickson signed for the NCAA and take note of what it says about the Penn State culture
His name is James Franklin and he’s led us to four 11 win seasons in seven years, including Rose, Fiesta and Cotton wins. We have a chance to get back to where we were 30-40 years ago. His kids graduate and are active in the community. The program is run the right way and JVP would be proud of that.
Support the current coach and program. That’s my only agenda. Sorry you feel the need to punish them for something that has nothing to do with them.
You conveniently avoided answering my question on the efforts made by James Frankin to raise money on behalf of the football program or PSU at large. Vandy redux?
You know I think it’s embarrassing that the same people who railroaded JVP into being a scapegoat won’t admit that their own personal bias fed into the false narrative that almost brought the program down. Now how can anyone who in good conscience and has any self respect give to those same individuals as if bygones be bygones.
Most of those people who opened their pockets gave because of Joe and believed in what he stood for. Seccess with Honor wasn’t just a pretty slogan it was a way of life.
If you truly respect James (and I certainly do), trust me, you aren't helping him in this thread.
Your reference to Joe as a "dead" football coach belies your true feelings. What about Sue? Is she dead? There's still time to show her the redress, remedy and respect she is entitled to. Perhaps this would go a long way with many in admitting that unthinkable harm was done to she and Joe.
Let's remember that it wasn't just personal vendettas. Didn't the PSU settlements indemnify TSM? I wonder why?
Quite honestly...utilizing the ignore feature has made my reading and following the BWI boards far more enjoyable! While i didn't get to read anything HappyValley1 wrote....the responses from board members i have interacted and shared thoughts was all i needed to know. Seems a lot of the angry anti JVP rhetoric is based with young, new members...makes me wonder where or why these feelings evolved.
Well, it's not that. Joe is dead. You rightly note the things that won't happen. But much of the issue now, of a decade after, is not how Joe was treated, as egregious as that was. It's how the alumni and fans were treated. We were told by Freeh and the national press--and the nation, really--that it was our fault and that we were just as guilty as Sandusky. And our "leadership" accepted that in writing. The administration has never apologized for that. Differing folks have differing opinions on Joe--I don't agree with all of them, but I respect that fact that there are differences of opinion. But you don't sell out your alumni and fan base. You don't kick them under the bus. Not if you want them to support you in the future. That's the issue, plain and simple. And that's the same thing I tell folks from PSU any time they ask for money. It's not Joe--not anymore. It's them.
I'll also add that it's a matter of trust. I don't trust Penn State to use my money wisely. My wife and I recently made an endowment to support elephant conservation at a midwestern zoo we support. My money will be better used there. 20 years ago that money would have gone to PSU.
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You haven't had your tires slashed over it, have you? I have. Or my co-worker who was cursed at in the office by a member of our staff. She did not report it, though she should have.....
Sorry the Joebots should be called out for caring about nothing but Joe…..and holding the football program hostage because of it.
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