OT: United Healthcare CEO Killed

johnson86-1

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That's a company wide policy at State Farm. It's not his fault.
State Farm sucks. You don’t have anybody looking out for you. Not necessarily a ton an independent broker can do for you, but if they have a big book of business there is at least some concern about them steering business away in the future.
 

paindonthurt17

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Save the day? I asked for you(or anyone) to explain a conspiracy theory that you furthered by linking it. That isnt saving the day.
The conspiracy doesnt make sense to me, so I asked for help. Clearly you cant actually explain the conspiracy that you pushed, so just say 'yeah I dont know' and leave it at that.
I think it’s a tweet on X. Or shall I say a post on X.

it certainly says one thing. Nancy is still participating in insider trading. Yes I know others do it too but she’s been in office 100 years and does it all the time.

It’s possible the dead ceo was going to testify to insider trading. Hence he’s dead now. POSSIBLE. I know you don’t comprehend well so I capitalized it for you.
 
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I believe it was somebody at the top of their insurance division, so probably more likely somebody that had a coverage issue than a negative health outcome. Or possibly just somebody that was troubled and looking to martyr themselves that marinates in anti-health insurance bubbles that claim insurance companies are what make health care expensive.
Insurance companies keep 48 cents out of every dollar. That almost doubles the cost of healthcare. And they deny, deny, deny procedures based on cost analysis. So, yes they are a part of the problem but:

What part of killing a single CEO from one insurance company did this guy think made sense unless it was revenge to him specifically?

It's a story a few days for most, next week for locals, maybe a month or so for UHC brass but forever for the victim, his loved ones and the murderer and it changes nothing. The insurance company itself will not care as it's a just a piece of paper, CEO will be replaced. Stock holders will not be affected at all. Hell, I think I own some UHC stock.

Who is at fault? The American public for voting against anyone that tries to fix it and are scared of changing to Universal healthcare like every other industrialized country and we get worse healthcare. Insurance Companies have deep pockets and spread a lot of lies that are believed by many. The fear mongering that happens every time someone brings up universal healthcare is mind bogglingly strong.

The only way to make a change this big is to get real information to both parties so they can see what it can do for us as a country. Then they must have the integrity to do something about it. I don't see either happening in my lifetime as we can't even agree that felons and sex offenders shouldn't be elected president.
 

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I think it’s a tweet on X. Or shall I say a post on X.

it certainly says one thing. Nancy is still participating in insider trading. Yes I know others do it too but she’s been in office 100 years and does it all the time.

It’s possible the dead ceo was going to testify to insider trading. Hence he’s dead now. POSSIBLE. I know you don’t comprehend well so I capitalized it for you.
Thanks for clarifying.

So the conspiracy is that the CEO possibly would have testified in an insider trading case that isnt known to exist, because a member of Congress purchased stock in a company on the day when another company's network was breached.

Wow.
Well thats an even dumber conspiracy than what I initially guessed.
If this is what you are being pushed on X, you need to reset your viewing and have it push you some less insane content.
 
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Thanks for clarifying.

So the conspiracy is that the CEO possibly would have testified in an insider trading case that isnt known to exist, because a member of Congress purchased stock in a company on the day when another company's network was breached.

Wow.
Well thats an even dumber conspiracy than what I initially guessed.
If this is what you are being pushed on X, you need to reset your viewing and have it push you some less insane content.
Free, unsolicited advice here: this here website is way more fun when you don't engage with the booger eaters.
 

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Your local agent really has nothing to do with whether a claim is covered or not
Then why do I need a local agent if he’s not going to help me navigate the process. If I’m gonna have to deal with Flo, I might as well pay Flo! His visit was three weeks post tornado. My neighbor with Alfa had his agent in his drive the day after the tornado, a check for his house in three days, and his truck in and out of the body shop in 8 days. The neighbor with Farm Bureau, who lost everything, had a check for his house and four totaled automobiles in less than two weeks. I didn’t see an adjuster for four weeks and when he showed up in a driving rain, he spent all of thirty minutes inspecting my house, my shop, and my barn. He leaned a ladder on the house and determined that my 100% fully tarped roof didn’t need replaced and could be repaired. The only reason the agent even showed up was that we had attended something with my wife’s family and I had expressed my displeasure with State Farm’s response and my wife’s nephew was a friend of his.
 

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Its their company wide policy to send agents to people’s house? My agent just stays in an office all day.
State Farm’s policy is that any claim over $10,000 completely bypasses the local agent and goes direct to SF.
 

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Stayed at Hostile the night before on the Upper Westside. “Delay” & “Deny” written on the bullets.

I’m trying not to be on ‘Team Assassin’ but it’s hard.
it s Delay Deny Defend. this a book used to describe ins companies way to not pay claims. Delay-as it sounds, delay payment.
Deny- deny claims altogether
Defend-use of force by forcing claiment into litigation which im sure very few people have the money to do.
 

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Help me understand the conspiracy claim.
By posting this tweet, are you furthering a claim that Pelosi hired an assassin to kill the CEO of UHC because she had invested in a network security company that was hired by UHC to help sort out UHC's network breach, and the UHC CEO could expose her?

...if that is what the conspiracy is, and you are furthering it by posting the tweet, then please connect the dots.
What did he know that would have exposed her? Its already known that she invested in the network security company and its already known that UHC used the company for technical assistance.
What was there to expose? Was the CEO in on it and Pelosi paid him to use PaloAlto Networks? Did she mastermind the network breach in the hopes that PaloAlto would be used?

I am guessing here because I cant figure out why he had to be silenced.
as I am sure everyone knows im a Republican but this matt wallace dude, if his mouth is moving it's a lie. im like the biggest Pub out there but i don't like being lied to by Pubs or demos alike. during the pre election campaign he was constantly making up lies and BS all the time. just ridiculous lies that an 8 yr old could easily fact check.
 

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Thanks for clarifying.

So the conspiracy is that the CEO possibly would have testified in an insider trading case that isnt known to exist, because a member of Congress purchased stock in a company on the day when another company's network was breached.

Wow.
Well thats an even dumber conspiracy than what I initially guessed.
If this is what you are being pushed on X, you need to reset your viewing and have it push you some less insane content.
You probably should just go stick your head in a pile of $h1t and eat it up, but here we are.
 
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State Farm’s policy is that any claim over $10,000 completely bypasses the local agent and goes direct to SF.
And there’s a good reason for that.

It’s a conflict of interest to have your friend trying to decide whether you deserved $30,000 or not.
 

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as I am sure everyone knows im a Republican but this matt wallace dude, if his mouth is moving it's a lie. im like the biggest Pub out there but i don't like being lied to by Pubs or demos alike. during the pre election campaign he was constantly making up lies and BS all the time. just ridiculous lies that an 8 yr old could easily fact check.
I have no idea if that tweet is real or even close to it.

I trolled and glfr fell for it bc he’s stupid.

With that said, it’s a conceivable story (that doesn’t mean I believe it). Nancy does insider trading. If someone had official dirt on her or anyone else with power, they may do something crazy to stop them.
 
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Insurance companies keep 48 cents out of every dollar. That almost doubles the cost of healthcare. And they deny, deny, deny procedures based on cost analysis. So, yes they are a part of the problem but:
Where are you getting the $0.48 number from? If you believe the medical loss ratio rule put in place by Obamacare is that worthless, you shouldn’t have a lot of faith in universal healthcare


Who is at fault? The American public for voting against anyone that tries to fix it and are scared of changing to Universal healthcare like every other industrialized country and we get worse healthcare. Insurance Companies have deep pockets and spread a lot of lies that are believed by many. The fear mongering that happens every time someone brings up universal healthcare is mind bogglingly strong.
Definitely the American voting public loves being lied to and deserves some blame. Voters want gold plated care, they want other people to pay for it, and they don’t ever want to have to make a decision on cost/benefits but also don’t want the government or health insurers to make those decisions. We had a decent percent of voters believe that “if you like your health insurance, you can keep it” and anybody that points out there are traders will have an almost impossible time getting elected.

The only way to make a change this big is to get real information to both parties so they can see what it can do for us as a country. Then they must have the integrity to do something about it. I don't see either happening in my lifetime as we can't even agree that felons and sex offenders shouldn't be elected president.
 

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Where are you getting the $0.48 number from? If you believe the medical loss ratio rule put in place by Obamacare is that worthless, you shouldn’t have a lot of faith in universal healthcare



Definitely the American voting public loves being lied to and deserves some blame. Voters want gold plated care, they want other people to pay for it, and they don’t ever want to have to make a decision on cost/benefits but also don’t want the government or health insurers to make those decisions. We had a decent percent of voters believe that “if you like your health insurance, you can keep it” and anybody that points out there are traders will have an almost impossible time getting elected.
The Obamacare ratio rule only applies to admin costs doesn’t it?
 

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The Obamacare ratio rule only applies to admin costs doesn’t it?
The result of "managed care" was perfectly predictable. It held down costs at first, but it also added many more layers of bureaucracy to the system. Now those people have bigger salaries and pensions. A LOT more people are feeding off the system than before.
 
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The Obamacare ratio rule only applies to admin costs doesn’t it?
I believe it’s everything not paid to providers with some exceptions for quality of care improvement. No clue whether that’s an exception can drive a truck through or not.
 

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Suppressor are more common than people think mostly for riffles. You don't see them that often on pistols because you need a booster and piston system to keep the pistol from jamming.
Well in the movies, the assassins shoot multiple times and have no issues
😁🤷
My money is on the wife hiring someone. He was shot and killed on the street in NY. He's from Wisconsin I think. So whoever killed him knew he was going to be there at that time.
Hmmm ?!?!?!
 

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I’m going with the theory that this guy had a wife/child/girlfriend who was denied care and had a negative outcome. If that was the case, I’m certainly not condoning the vigilante killing.

But I understand it.
 
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I mean, they're certainly not worried about pushing prices down overall (just compared to premiums received), but they don't really control the supply or demand for healthcare.

We put a stranglehold on supply and spend a ton of government money subsidizing demand. There's not a lot insurance companies can do move price compared to what government does.

Insurance companies margins range from something like 3 to 8 percent. 8 percent is probably higher than they should be, but that's kind of what you'd expect from Obamacare, which offset the minimum payout ratios with less competitive markets and subsidized premiums.
How much do you pay year for health insurance and how much do your doctors get paid collectively from you or your insurance company? There’s your answer. Insurance, from every angle, is the biggest collective bill you pay outside of your mortgage but how much do you get back in return for those insurance premiums?
 

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Getting back to the actual murder / getaway / manhunt…..seems they still haven’t caught the guy yet. And they don’t seem to have any camera footage of him after 7 AM yesterday morning. That’s kinda crazy.

Latest updates on his getaway route make it seem like he was using the green space as a reliable traffic-proof method of escape with minimal camera coverage. Went to Central Park and exited out on West 77th, then was spotted at West 85th. Made it about 28 blocks north and 4-5 blocks west in 16 minutes, in the height of commuter and pedestrian work traffic, without using the subway (or any other public transportation). By NYC standards, that’s absolutely hauling and covering some serious ground. This was very, very meticulously planned.
 

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How much do you pay year for health insurance and how much do your doctors get paid collectively from you or your insurance company? There’s your answer. Insurance, from every angle, is the biggest collective bill you pay outside of your mortgage but how much do you get back in return for those insurance premiums?
For my family, the last two years insurers have probably paid out about $250k to providers, we’ve paid another $15k, and we’ve probably paid about $36k to our insurers, including the employer part.

again, you can’t strangle the supply and then squeeze the money out. Even if you move to a government payer system where you basically make the government a monopsony, you still can’t squeeze prices that much without further dropping the supply.

again, I’m not saying insurance companies are good, but a much bigger problem is the incentives set by government along with strangling supply.
 
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How much do you pay year for health insurance and how much do your doctors get paid collectively from you or your insurance company? There’s your answer. Insurance, from every angle, is the biggest collective bill you pay outside of your mortgage but how much do you get back in return for those insurance premiums?
A little, and A LOT, if you REALLY have to use them.
 
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Getting back to the actual murder / getaway / manhunt…..seems they still haven’t caught the guy yet. And they don’t seem to have any camera footage of him after 7 AM yesterday morning. That’s kinda crazy.

Latest updates on his getaway route make it seem like he was using the green space as a reliable traffic-proof method of escape with minimal camera coverage. Went to Central Park and exited out on West 77th, then was spotted at West 85th. Made it about 28 blocks north and 4-5 blocks west in 16 minutes, in the height of commuter and pedestrian work traffic, without using the subway (or any other public transportation). By NYC standards, that’s absolutely hauling and covering some serious ground. This was very, very meticulously planned.
I still think it's a pro hit, and the words on the shells are a smoke screen. There was some serious money involved in law suites and justice department probes involving this guy. It reeks of the lasagna circuit to me. Then again, I've watched a LOT of mafia movies and read a LOT of mafia books. 🤪
 

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I still think it's a pro hit, and the words on the shells are a smoke screen. There was some serious money involved in law suites and justice department probes involving this guy. It reeks of the lasagna circuit to me. Then again, I've watched a LOT of mafia movies and read a LOT of mafia books. 🤪
You may not be far off.

Past the first 48 now, and still not even a name on the guy.

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Getting back to the actual murder / getaway / manhunt…..seems they still haven’t caught the guy yet. And they don’t seem to have any camera footage of him after 7 AM yesterday morning. That’s kinda crazy.

Latest updates on his getaway route make it seem like he was using the green space as a reliable traffic-proof method of escape with minimal camera coverage. Went to Central Park and exited out on West 77th, then was spotted at West 85th. Made it about 28 blocks north and 4-5 blocks west in 16 minutes, in the height of commuter and pedestrian work traffic, without using the subway (or any other public transportation). By NYC standards, that’s absolutely hauling and covering some serious ground. This was very, very meticulously planned.
Maybe he's still there

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I have no idea if that tweet is real or even close to it.

I trolled and glfr fell for it bc he’s stupid.

With that said, it’s a conceivable story (that doesn’t mean I believe it). Nancy does insider trading. If someone had official dirt on her or anyone else with power, they may do something crazy to stop them.
See @mstateglfr … all he said was that it was POSSIBLE.

Like it’s POSSIBLE that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss. I’m not saying that I believe that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss, only that it’s conceivable that the possibility exists that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss or has at the very least 17ed a goat in the аss at some point in his history. Not saying he did! Only that it’s POSSIBLE that he did.
 

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See @mstateglfr … all he said was that it was POSSIBLE.

Like it’s POSSIBLE that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss. I’m not saying that I believe that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss, only that it’s conceivable that the possibility exists that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss or has at the very least 17ed a goat in the аss at some point in his history. Not saying he did! Only that it’s POSSIBLE that he did.
Nothing like the classic message board move of posting BS, getting called out for BS, and then backtracking and saying you were just trolling...C34 would be proud.
 
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See @mstateglfr … all he said was that it was POSSIBLE.

Like it’s POSSIBLE that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss. I’m not saying that I believe that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss, only that it’s conceivable that the possibility exists that @paindonthurt17 17s goats in the аss or has at the very least 17ed a goat in the аss at some point in his history. Not saying he did! Only that it’s POSSIBLE that he did.
What if Goat is a midget?
 

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Free, unsolicited advice here: this here website is way more fun when you don't engage with the booger eaters.
You need to shut your mouth. Some of the best entertainment on here is when people do engage with the booger eaters. Even better is when booger eaters engage with other booger eaters.
 

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I’m going with the theory that this guy had a wife/child/girlfriend who was denied care and had a negative outcome. If that was the case, I’m certainly not condoning the vigilante killing.

But I understand it.
You 'understand', meaning the guy deserved to BE KILLED because some rando didn't get the insurance they wanted?

It's so weird to me that it's seemingly okay with people that this guy was assassinated because the healthcare system as a whole is screwed up, and he's the head of one of the companies... so, he kinda/sorta deserved to die.

And it's not just you - I've seen many leftists posting it. Just wild to me.
 
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