Our administration better wake up
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Well I’ve been saying attendance attendance ATTENDANCE!!! You damn out of staters
it's been 10 years now and my child was top of his class and almost perfect
ACT and visited State either Jr year or early Sr year and never got a single letter from State while UM sent something every single day. And he never visited or had any intention of attending UM, and thankfully didn't.
Dumping 80% of your money into a sport to get 5-6 wins isn’t very smart either. At least I don’t think it is. The price to play football has skyrocketed in the past 12 months. Things have changed very quickly. Leach’s last season was probably the last season where NIL/transfer portal wasn’t at full tilt. Keep in mind those results are built from the 6-12 months prior. IMO, it’s continually going to spiral in the wrong direction for all the non-blue bloods. We will become more and more of a farm system for the “haves”. Even if we do go all-in, how much money do we legitimately have to do so and how much will that money do for us? 7 wins?
For some reason our fans and media can’t take an honest look at recruiting. The biggest immediate impact player we got was a center from a directional school in Texas. Glad we got him, but adding him isn’t bumping the needle. Adding him doesn’t truly make us better. It’s probably just keeps us where we are in terms of talent on the OL. We should add some additional offensive threats by the end of the cycle, but you know as well as I do, there’s a 50/50 chance (or less) these HS kids will do anything at the school they sign with.
Football “pays the bills” because of the TV contract, which is admittedly yuge. If it wasn’t for the ESPN/SECN deal, we’d likely be in bad shape. We just added 2 more blue bloods to the league. That’s not going to help us with wins and losses either. Lebby isn’t going to turn water into wine.
IMO, baseball and women’s basketball are the only 2 sports that we have a chance to be legit contenders in.
correct, and it's overreaching on things that office has zero clue about
Get them facts out of here, we gotta raise money like Bama mane*****
I disagree about Leach though, he would have competed
Like I said before, in 2009 he was a fresh cup of coffee - the answer to our problems. A lot changes in 14 years, but damn, we have not learned our lesson
17 the shlt honestly, all the young know it alls can have it, I don’t know the answer and not sure if I care
It’s not 2017 anymore. We’ve had no stability and no growth in the last 6 years.
We did grow… then we stopped growing. Men’s basketball is the only major sport where we are better off now than we were when Keenum hired Cohen.
You could try to be dumber and I don’t think even you could pull that off. Post less. A LOT less.
I had a post typed up about how idiotic I thought the baseball smack in this thread was, then my phone died. But, by all means, please keep @ing me, @dubmass.
I went to the Gonzaga-JSU game a couple weeks ago, and it was amazing how well done everything was. But totally replicable too.
We’ve missed the SEC Tournament two years in a row and don’t have high expectations for this year. Our national championship, while awesome, gave us precisely zero staying power.
Only a handful of football teams have been ranked number one and we've played in a final four. Move along. People like you hold back this program. You're the John Cohen of fans.
Had we not won the title and OM had won it in 2022, you people would have ended it all. That title is the biggest thing in MSU sports history.
Most of the teams in the SEC have been ranked #1 at some point(except KY, SC and Vandy).
Back to the topic,
We COULD accept that this new NIL world "is what it is "and makes recruiting even more difficult for us. That's easy to understand. However we see OM recruiting well, using the portal well and winning. So........logically......State fans feel like we should be able to do the same as we are similarly situated as OM.
However the deal is, we have always scrapped and clawed in recruiting. Our current problem is the last three coaches (in 5 years) didn't recruit at a high level. PLUS, as noted we were slow to NIL. So, the question remains, can we compete in this new NIL world? Is Lebby the answer? WHo knows!
WHat I do know and what is cause for concern......OM has always been able to buy recruiting classes. You saw it with Brewer and Freeze especially. Difference in today and yesterday, the NCAA was there to hammer their *** back to the ground for buying players and send their coach packing. Well, not any longer. THey can use their "network" and Lane will be there as long as he wants to be there. I hope like hell Florida or the NFL come calling soon.
I hope like hell State fans have deeper pockets than I realize. Also, the athletic department is really ready to get moving on football from facilities to recruiting. Why is our recruiting budget so little? Why do we share an indoor facility with baseball? Why is the lower level of our football stadium, the best seats in the house, not changed in 100 years?
We COULD accept that this new NIL world "is what it is "and makes recruiting even more difficult for us. That's easy to understand. However we see OM recruiting well, using the portal well and winning. So........logically......State fans feel like we should be able to do the same as we are similarly situated as OM.
However the deal is, we have always scrapped and clawed in recruiting. Our current problem is the last three coaches (in 5 years) didn't recruit at a high level. PLUS, as noted we were slow to NIL. So, the question remains, can we compete in this new NIL world? Is Lebby the answer? WHo knows!
WHat I do know and what is cause for concern......OM has always been able to buy recruiting classes. You saw it with Brewer and Freeze especially. Difference in today and yesterday, the NCAA was there to hammer their *** back to the ground for buying players and send their coach packing. Well, not any longer. THey can use their "network" and Lane will be there as long as he wants to be there. I hope like hell Florida or the NFL come calling soon.
I hope like hell State fans have deeper pockets than I realize. Also, the athletic department is really ready to get moving on football from facilities to recruiting. Why is our recruiting budget so little? Why do we share an indoor facility with baseball? Why is the lower level of our football stadium, the best seats in the house, not changed in 100 years?
This happened to both of my kids. They were Top 10 and had not perfect but damn good ACT scores. One graduated high school in 2016, and the other in 2020. Both were going to State anyway, but I kept telling them Ole Miss is doing it right.
Agree on Ole Miss, but I don't and never have bought this line about Leach not recruiting well. The problem was Arnett! On both sides of the ball. We are not in as bad of shape as some of you think. We just had a 5-7 season where we all see we could have won 2-3 more games with a competent coach, and we DID beat a Top 10 team. How did we not have talent? We did, but it was playing out of position for a group of prideful know-it-alls like coach34. Plus, the portal.
We're saving on paper by assuming we'll retain our legacy students.
Well it ain't working. I know tons of alumni in Alabama who send their kids to Auburn or wherever to follow 'franz' or whatever other dbaggy term the sheep use these days. And obviously many of the SPS kids are headed to Ole Miss or MC it appears.
BUT.........I am curious where our record enrollment is coming from, if things are so terrible. We've talked about the negative, what about the good?
Cheating no longer exists in CFB. It's just too easy to break the rules now so it's either pony up and stay in the game or become the prison *****. I'm inclined to believe we're the latter.
I would make the argument that our "record enrollment" has been a factor to the issues we are having. You see, we are scraping the bottom of the barrel to get students so we have a big number, but they aren't graduating.
It’s not coming from the best & the brightest students. And I’m saying this as kindly as I can.
This link might help shed some light on that: MSU Enrollment Data
I remember Portera being a big advocate of using the MS JUCOs to take those students, and preserve MSU for the better students. Not sure what happened after that, I do seem to remember Keenum moving away from it, but not sure if I am remembering that correctly. At the time, seemed like most people were for it because all we cared about in them days was building Starkville and MSU and sports by any means possible. And we've done that. Perhaps it is time to tighten the belt a bit.
But at the end of the day, what does this say about higher education in general? It's all based on perception. What does McConaughey say in Wolf of Wall Street, fugazi.
In line with much of what has been discussed, has there been any movement on the new strategic plan? The online version (which can be found here: MSU Strategic Plan) seems thin, especially the "Initiatives" section, which includes these components:
Bulldog Experience
Bulldog Mentoring Program
Campus Master Plan
College of Interdisciplinary Studies
Communicators’ Brand Hub
Employee Development Program
General Education revitalization
Meridian Health Sciences (Physician’s Assistant, Nursing, and Healthcare Administration programs)
New approach for outreach & engagement
New internal collaboration opportunities for faculty
Strategic Enrollment Plan
Support for entrepreneurship and technology commercialization
Perhaps athletics is a part of the "Bulldog Experience?" (insert jokes as appropriate), I'm not sure.
Bulldog Experience
Bulldog Mentoring Program
Campus Master Plan
College of Interdisciplinary Studies
Communicators’ Brand Hub
Employee Development Program
General Education revitalization
Meridian Health Sciences (Physician’s Assistant, Nursing, and Healthcare Administration programs)
New approach for outreach & engagement
New internal collaboration opportunities for faculty
Strategic Enrollment Plan
Support for entrepreneurship and technology commercialization
Perhaps athletics is a part of the "Bulldog Experience?" (insert jokes as appropriate), I'm not sure.
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