Shrews to ND nfm
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Best example of that was Georgetown and Patrick Ewing. In the 1980s.
When I first saw this in this morning's Pist Gazette, expletives echoed in my head. Disappointed? Yes.
Immediately turn to my true source, this message board, to get some balance. Thanks, guys.
Couple of thoughts from an old guy....
Shrewsbury did a great job getting this team to the dance. 3 weeks ago, they were toast in my mind. Close to winning games, but not quite there. Give him the credit that these guys never quit and managed to win some of those close games - it got them into the 64 and it elevated Shrew's resume.
This team was primarily constructed from transfers (Shrewsberry's work?) and unfortunately the future doesn't look very bright (my opinion).
I found this team difficult to watch. Pickett dribble for 20 seconds and then find a stationary teammate or get a shot off. Maybe, just maybe that was the only way to be successful. Slow the game down and play defense while holding the ball. This is certainly not Gonzaga.
Anybody who thinks that this is a basketball destination job is kidding themselves.
Anxious to see the short list of candidates to be Shrewsbury's successor. Wonder what Chris Mack is doing since he got canned at Louisville. Phil Martelli looks great as an assistant at Michigan.
Immediately turn to my true source, this message board, to get some balance. Thanks, guys.
Couple of thoughts from an old guy....
Shrewsbury did a great job getting this team to the dance. 3 weeks ago, they were toast in my mind. Close to winning games, but not quite there. Give him the credit that these guys never quit and managed to win some of those close games - it got them into the 64 and it elevated Shrew's resume.
This team was primarily constructed from transfers (Shrewsberry's work?) and unfortunately the future doesn't look very bright (my opinion).
I found this team difficult to watch. Pickett dribble for 20 seconds and then find a stationary teammate or get a shot off. Maybe, just maybe that was the only way to be successful. Slow the game down and play defense while holding the ball. This is certainly not Gonzaga.
Anybody who thinks that this is a basketball destination job is kidding themselves.
Anxious to see the short list of candidates to be Shrewsbury's successor. Wonder what Chris Mack is doing since he got canned at Louisville. Phil Martelli looks great as an assistant at Michigan.
What?
I just confirmed that in the last 9 years they have won 20 games or more 6 times. Once winning 32.
Of course I am disappointed that Shrewsbury is leaving. Our program was moving in the right direction for the first time in a while. To me, there are several problems with him leaving. Most obviously we need to find a new coach and hopefully, it will be a coach who can continue to build on what Shrewsbury started. Maybe we find that coach next, maybe it takes several hires and several years. Who knows? The next problem with his leaving is recruiting. I was just reading yesterday (before the news broke) that we were the favorite for a top 100 recruit, who listed his biggest reason for leaning toward Penn State as his relationship with Shrewsbury. Unlikely that we get him now, and who knows how badly this will hurt recruiting. Lastly, what I feel is the biggest reason for my disappointment is that it illustrates that Penn State Basketball is just a stepping stone program. It was possible that Shrewsbury would keep building the program and turn us into a regular NCAA tournament team and make us a factor in the Big Ten, but now we start over, and if another coach can do that, he will most likely leave, too.
Some on here won't like this comparison, but I really thought we found in Shrewsbury what we found in Franklin, (Yes, I am a big supporter of Franklin.) someone who was happy to be coaching here and building this program. I was hoping that since PSU seemed ready to pay him, he would continue building and actually make it into a program that he doesn't want to leave. I was hoping that him talking to Notre Dame was no different than Franklin talking to USC, just a effort to leverage PSU for more money. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case and now we start over again.
Regardless of who we hire and how our team does next year (and the year after, etc.). I will still tune into the games when I see they are on, and I will still support our team. It's just a lot more fun when they are winning!
Some on here won't like this comparison, but I really thought we found in Shrewsbury what we found in Franklin, (Yes, I am a big supporter of Franklin.) someone who was happy to be coaching here and building this program. I was hoping that since PSU seemed ready to pay him, he would continue building and actually make it into a program that he doesn't want to leave. I was hoping that him talking to Notre Dame was no different than Franklin talking to USC, just a effort to leverage PSU for more money. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case and now we start over again.
Regardless of who we hire and how our team does next year (and the year after, etc.). I will still tune into the games when I see they are on, and I will still support our team. It's just a lot more fun when they are winning!
But not Georgetown and Patrick Ewing in the 2020s. Strange that a great player doesn’t necessarily make for a great coach.
Doesn’t Micah know you need a buffer zone? Two hours? They can pop in!
Just like a great cup of coffee doesn't make for a great latte.But not Georgetown and Patrick Ewing in the 2020s. Strange that a great player doesn’t necessarily make for a great coach.
They are better than PSU which I said, but they aren't some national b-ball perennial power. ND isn't a b-ball destination job IMO, but PSU is a stepping stone school as well currently for HC's if they manage to somehow win at PSU which is tough to do. They also didn't make the tourney 2 of those years and have 4 losing seasons in the last 10 years...which was kind of my point. Better than PSU...sure, no arguement there, but not some historical power in b-ball unless you compare them to a poor program. Maybe he gets them back to where they were under Digger or in the late 70's/early 80's.
As usual, LaJolla Lion with a bad take. He is usually very wrong, but he generally remains adamant in his position.
I will respectfully disagree. They are 8th in all time wins and 10th in all time trips to the dance. Since I graduated from Penn State they have danced 29 times. We've been invited 5 times. Yes they've been down the last 5 years but historically they are a far better program
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May not be a popular opinion but the program would be in better shape today, and in the near future, if they had kept Chambers. He was building the program, had succeeded in opening up Philadelphia and amazingly attendance was increasing. They were going to the tournament before it got canceled. He also appeared to want to be at PSU.
He also didn't have the portal. This year's team would have been nothing without the portal.
He also didn't have the portal. This year's team would have been nothing without the portal.
I'm not stating PSU is the better program so there is no disagreement, but I'm saying ND is not perceived as a b-ball blue blood or national power currently IMO. Saying they are better than a perennial poor program is one thing as that bar is pretty low, but acting like that is a destination job in 2023 is another IMO. It's a destination job from PSU, I'll grant that, but they may be the 3rd best program in their state in the last 20-30 years. Maybe it's my bias, but ND b-ball doesn't move the needle much for me.
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Chambers was a decent recruiter, and he made good strides in improving the talent level at PSU. Chambers also seemed to be lacking as a coach in terms of player development, game preparation, and gameday coaching. PSU teams reliably underachieved their talent level, and the team's performance did not seem to improve significantly as each season progressed.
With that said, you are probably correct that the program would be in better shape today, and in the short term, if they had retained a long-term coach like Chambers than having to hire someone new. Plus, we don't know who that someone new is yet. But Penn State likely would not have had the same roster in 2022-23, they very likely would not have made the NCAA tournament, and they very likely would not have won a game in the NCAA tournament.
I'm happy to have seen the team's performance in 2022-23 and I'll take the unknown present situation over whatever Chambers would have brought to the program in 2022-23 and in the years ahead. It's not even a tough choice.
A lot has been made about the low attendance at the BJC this year. The support needs to be visibly better, but unfortunately, this year‘s team made its run at the end of the regular season and then in the conference tournament, which obviously was not played at home. During the bulk of the season, this team was up and down and was not generating a lot of buzz.
First, it’s true. Second, I don’t give a rat’s arse if you don’t like it. Third, since I would be considered a “get off my lawn” 70 year old, I’ve seen his influence on a former cow college. While Joe wasn’t the only person responsible for dragging the university into the 20-21st centuries, he inspired and encouraged others to come along. For that, and the fact they knew he had cancer and was of no more use to them, the jealous corporate rats on the BoT saw to it that HE was the scapegoat in the Sandusky debacle. We should forget that and move on. FARG YOU!
He is probably gone with his dad. I'mpretty sure he will ask to be released from his signing letter.
True. Especially to your last point.
But, in context, it is also true that Micah actually HAD comparable or better alternatives to his current job.
did he borrow money from you and not pay it back?
Take it to a test board somewhere. Tired of the same crew beating the same drum day after day. If you take Joe at his word, he would never have wanted the statue, the field named after him, or anything else some of you are constantly clamoring for and you know it. Farq you.
I don't recall EPC Fan mention anything about a statue, a field or anything else you clamoring anti-Sue and Paterno family crew want.
I’m not anti Paterno. I’ve clearly stated that in the past. Just tired of people thinking they are owed something from the university. Life goes on. If people were truly done with the university they wouldn’t be on here everyday complaining about something that happened 12 years ago. I guess some have way more time on their hands than they know what to do with.
Good luck. Sorry, but life is too short to hold grudges and be angry about something every day.
Good. Fair enough. You are also not one to interject this topic into every topic on the board. Thank you.
It's like anything else in life. If it's important to you, you find the time.
I am done with Penn State. I have not donated or set foot on campus since 2011 and likely will not do either ever again. I am here because I enjoy the personalities and banter. The time spent is part of that I set aside each day for relaxation. That said, I expect nothing from Penn State because nothing is what I know I will get. I am never disappointed.
Perhaps Penn State should do a cost analysis on their stance. If they could use Joe's name to fundraise, in the words of your hero Rodney Erickson, all monies are fungible. That would leave a whole lot more disposable income for the basketball program, maybe even for some new BB facilities to replace the Jordan Mausoleum.
At this point, I believe Sue is "owed" something from the University. I have more time on my hands than you to honor her family's legacy.
She was in the presidents suite at Beaver Stadium for a game last fall. Seems to me she’s just fine with Penn State unlike the children around here.
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