Some proper perspective Franklin haters....
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Is he perfect, no, but he's much better than the haters will ever give him credit for. Here's what I know, he's represented this program on and off the field in a manner consistent with the Success with Honor mantra and that's all I ask. He has been everything Joe was minus the MNCs but Joe didn't have them in his first 10 years here either.
Guys like the poster in the clip don't deserve Coach Franklin.
Pshaw. James Franklin isn't a good football coach.
He's a master bullshyter.... He's more verbal (that works with recruits and some assistant coaches) than cerebral. He has simply leveraged his egregious contract (and worse extension) and PSU's football legacy to recruit enough players and a revolving door of assistant coaches to win an average of 9 games per annum.
Josh Pate, the bald video host, is as bald and misguided as James.
Damn him for those 9 win seasons! Let's see...if James wins 9 per year for 46 years.
I guess we deserve better.
9 meaningless wins per year ≠ a Natty or even an appearance at same.Damn him for those 9 win seasons! Let's see...if James wins 9 per year for 46 years.
Says the guy who knows what it takes to succeed in D1 coaching AND sports media.Pshaw. James Franklin isn't a good football coach.
He's a master bullshyter.... He's more verbal (that works with recruits and some assistant coaches) than cerebral. He has simply leveraged his egregious contract (and worse extension) and PSU's football legacy to recruit enough players and a revolving door of assistant coaches to win an average of 9 games per annum.
Josh Pate, the bald video host, is as bald and misguided as James.
Only meaningless to the likes of you. No one who ever played the game considers a game let alone a win meaningless. One thing you do mention at which you are an expert is ********
Which of the following is insignificant:******** ?
Multiple top 10 finishes and 10or11 win seasons.
A Big 10 Championship, Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl and Fiesta Bowl wins or BW Lion's opinion?
Suck on the following pesky truths......
Franklin has had plenty of success at Penn State, but has struggled against the nation's best competition. While Franklin has led the Nittany Lions to four 11-win seasons, he also now holds a 3-17 record against top 10 teams.
He also holds a dismal 4-16 record against Ohio State and Michigan. Against the Wolverines individually, he is now 3-7.
Penn State is just 1-12 against top-10 teams in the coaches poll since it defeated Wisconsin in the 2016 Big Ten championship game. For the size of Franklin's paycheck, there's much to be desired, including a College Football Playoff berth.
Here's a look into how Franklin has fared in the last 10 contests against top-10 teams.
Timeline of James Franklin's failures in big games: record against top 10 teams, contract details | Sporting News
Looking into how Penn State head coach James Franklin has fared in big games.
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| Date | Opponent | Final Score |
| Nov. 11, 2023 | No. 2 Michigan | L, 24-15 |
| Oct. 21, 2023 | No. 3 Ohio State | L, 20-12 |
| Jan. 2, 2023 | No. 10 Utah | W, 35-21 |
| Oct. 29, 2022 | No. 4 Ohio State | L, 44-31 |
| Oct. 15, 2022 | No. 3 Michigan | L, 41-17 |
| Nov. 27, 2021 | No. 9 Michigan State | L, 30-27 |
| Oct. 31, 2020 | No. 2 Ohio State | L, 38-25 |
| Nov. 23, 2019 | No. 3 Ohio State | L, 28-17 |
| Nov. 9, 2019 | No. 10 Minnesota | L, 31-26 |
| Sept. 29, 2018 | No. 3 Ohio State | L, 27-26 |
Utah was also missing their highly talented starting QB in the 2023 Rose Bowl. Do you have any further questions?
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Suck on the following pesky truths......
Franklin has had plenty of success at Penn State, but has struggled against the nation's best competition. While Franklin has led the Nittany Lions to four 11-win seasons, he also now holds a 3-17 record against top 10 teams.
He also holds a dismal 4-16 record against Ohio State and Michigan. Against the Wolverines individually, he is now 3-7.
Penn State is just 1-12 against top-10 teams in the coaches poll since it defeated Wisconsin in the 2016 Big Ten championship game. For the size of Franklin's paycheck, there's much to be desired, including a College Football Playoff berth.
Here's a look into how Franklin has fared in the last 10 contests against top-10 teams.
Timeline of James Franklin's failures in big games: record against top 10 teams, contract details | Sporting News
Looking into how Penn State head coach James Franklin has fared in big games.
Date Opponent Final Score Nov. 11, 2023 No. 2 Michigan L, 24-15 Oct. 21, 2023 No. 3 Ohio State L, 20-12 Jan. 2, 2023 No. 10 Utah W, 35-21 Oct. 29, 2022 No. 4 Ohio State L, 44-31 Oct. 15, 2022 No. 3 Michigan L, 41-17 Nov. 27, 2021 No. 9 Michigan State L, 30-27 Oct. 31, 2020 No. 2 Ohio State L, 38-25 Nov. 23, 2019 No. 3 Ohio State L, 28-17 Nov. 9, 2019 No. 10 Minnesota L, 31-26 Sept. 29, 2018 No. 3 Ohio State L, 27-26
Do you have any questions?
I have one: What have YOU succeeded at?
Aside from my edgy posts in this thread that's for you to figure out.
I sense you are holding back on your true feeling about Franklin - you shouldn’t sugar coat it and tell is what you really think.Pshaw. James Franklin isn't a good football coach.
He's a master bullshyter.... He's more verbal (that works with recruits and some assistant coaches) than cerebral. He has simply leveraged his egregious contract (and worse extension) and PSU's football legacy to recruit enough players and a revolving door of assistant coaches to win an average of 9 games per annum.
Josh Pate, the bald video host, is as bald and misguided as James.
Aside from my edgy posts in this thread that's for you to figure out.
I already have - not much, based on your posting style.
Piece of cake.
Ryan Day record vs. top-five opponentsSuck on the following pesky truths......
Franklin has had plenty of success at Penn State, but has struggled against the nation's best competition. While Franklin has led the Nittany Lions to four 11-win seasons, he also now holds a 3-17 record against top 10 teams.
He also holds a dismal 4-16 record against Ohio State and Michigan. Against the Wolverines individually, he is now 3-7.
Penn State is just 1-12 against top-10 teams in the coaches poll since it defeated Wisconsin in the 2016 Big Ten championship game. For the size of Franklin's paycheck, there's much to be desired, including a College Football Playoff berth.
Here's a look into how Franklin has fared in the last 10 contests against top-10 teams.
Timeline of James Franklin's failures in big games: record against top 10 teams, contract details | Sporting News
Looking into how Penn State head coach James Franklin has fared in big games.
Date Opponent Final Score Nov. 11, 2023 No. 2 Michigan L, 24-15 Oct. 21, 2023 No. 3 Ohio State L, 20-12 Jan. 2, 2023 No. 10 Utah W, 35-21 Oct. 29, 2022 No. 4 Ohio State L, 44-31 Oct. 15, 2022 No. 3 Michigan L, 41-17 Nov. 27, 2021 No. 9 Michigan State L, 30-27 Oct. 31, 2020 No. 2 Ohio State L, 38-25 Nov. 23, 2019 No. 3 Ohio State L, 28-17 Nov. 9, 2019 No. 10 Minnesota L, 31-26 Sept. 29, 2018 No. 3 Ohio State L, 27-26
Utah was also missing their highly talented starting QB in the 2023 Rose Bowl. Do you have any further questions?
Ohio State has gone 2-5 against opponents ranked in the top five of the Coaches Poll at the time of the matchup.
I've pretty much lost all interest in college football in general and Penn State football in particular. That said, I don't consider those who offer legitimate criticism about Franklin to be "haters". Given the resources at his disposal, he should have a better record against good teams. If I was still investing time and money in this program I would not be happy with perennial 9 win seasons. Apparently lots of fans are and that's fine. There are much more important things in life than beating Ohio State and Michigan.
Nope. Their alum base donates large sums of money to get the best recruits in the country. Ours is pissed about a statue that Joe didn't want in the first place, while also not donating because success with honor alone wins games. Coach up the 3 stars!!!Ryan Day? Has James Franklin ever beat Ryan Day?
@BW Lion has been extremely successful at failing on this board. It's kinda his thing and now he just leans into it, like a court jester.
This is why he desperately wants a Natty ... while he can't succeed, he feels that rooting for a winner will bring some kind of vicarious self worth.
Hate NIL, demand national titles, and worship a statue. The best of the best.
It’s interesting that you used the word “vicarious”.
A perfect word to describe your baseball obsessed indoctrination of your two sons as you feebly attempt to live out your failed sports career through them
Tsk Tsk.
So sad.
I think if you swapped staff, Day is Penn State’s head coach and Franklin is tOSU’s. Day still wins every time.
And this is the convenient excuse you and Franklin can use year after year that he doesn’t win the big game. The reality is Franklin has been at PSU 10 years which is now a legitimate sample size. 3-17 against top 10 teams and 4-16 vs OSU and Michigan. Not good. I’ll give Franklin credit. He’s a great recruiter and feel he’s a decent guy, but he can’t win the big game. The biggest reason is his teams lack fundamentals and discipline which is what you need in big games. He wins the other games because he has more talent.
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Jimmys and Joes every single time my friend. You don't need to make the call to go for it on 4th down or go for 2 because you're behind when you're in the lead by two touchdowns.
Please provide your top three names to replace Franklin. (Be mindful of the Solich scenario,)
How'z Liberty these dayz?
I'll get your mom's opinion, and share it with you.
Honestly, with revenue sharing, NIL, unlimited coaches and roster management now factoring in, I think it opens up the door for NFL coaches to think about it. I mean, 10 million a year for 12 games a year isn't too bad.
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"Ot was just a matter of time until one of you Franklin Fanatics posed the most waist answerable questions in PSU sports history…."
It's past your bed time, Frank.
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A quick comparison-
RYAN DAY-
OSU coach- 5 years, 3 games
Overall record- 56-8, (.875).
Conference record- 39-3, (.929).
Big Ten Titles- 2, (.400).
NY6 bowls- 5, (1.00).
Playoff appearances- 3, (.600).
Top 25- 15-7, (.682).
Top 15- 11-7, (.611).
Top 10- 8-7, (.533).
Top 5- 2-6, (.250).
(Top 5 games included 3 playoff semifinals, 1 playoff final).
JAMES FRANKLIN-
PSU coach- 10 years.
Overall record at PSU- 88-39, (.693).
Conference record- 56-32, (.636).
Big Ten titles- 1, (.100).
NY6 bowls- 5, (.500).
Playoff appearances- 0, (.000).
Top 25- 14-25, (.359).
Top 15- 6-22, (.214).
Top 10- 3-17, (.150).
Top 5- 1-12, (.077).
Do you really think game day coaching is the difference in all these stats?
I didn’t give any commentary. It was simply a ‘cold hard facts’ comparison strictly by the numbers.
Rightly or wrongly, I took the original post as a little shot against Ryan Day’s top 5 record, (and a backhanded implication that you can’t criticize Franklin as even a Day has a “bad” record against the top 5). It came across as a cherry picked stat with no real perspective for comparison.
If I misinterpreted the original post I apologize, but the bottom line is the numbers are what they are. Respectfully, people can rationalize away to fit their personal opinions in this debate, (on both sides). It’s what this board does best on just about any topic of discussion.
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Facts are facts ^. . You are absolutely correct. Ohio State is a football factory as well and Ohio State as a whole is growing campus that seems to know what it is doing.
Penn State is not a football factory, campus seems to be growing slowly, and leadership seems clueless. Having lived in State College and now the Columbus area, sadly it is apples to oranges and will never again be an apples to apples comparison as much as people try.
And for all Day’s success, he could get fired at the end of this season if he fails to win it all.
Penn State is not a football factory, campus seems to be growing slowly, and leadership seems clueless. Having lived in State College and now the Columbus area, sadly it is apples to oranges and will never again be an apples to apples comparison as much as people try.
And for all Day’s success, he could get fired at the end of this season if he fails to win it all.
Very true.
It reminds me of the March Madness resume comparisons where they remove the school names and just give the numbers. Then they say team X or team Y- who gets in? You always see a few cases where it just seems to make no sense.
Judging by the numbers above if it was just presented blindly as coach X vs coach Y you’d be hard pressed to correctly pick which coach’s job is on the line and which one recently received a big contract extension.
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