Fans in the northeast and southeast for football aren't very patient. Bellichick and Reid were fired because they couldn't win big games.....fans aren't always the right people to listen to. They look through a microscope at one thing, but sometimes zooming out gets you some perspective. How many teams have been consistently better than PSU? There are a few without a doubt, but it’s not a very long list IMO.
Not sure how much, if any. input fans had to the firings of Belichick and Reid. Belichick had one season above .500 during his five years in Cleveland. He was below .500 in three of his last four at New England. Reid was sub-.500 in his last two at Philadelphia and it isn't as if he wasn't there long enough. Both, undeniably great coaches, but in the immortal words of Wlat, "hindsight is 50-50."
Franklin isn't competing against Joe. He's competing against Ryan Day, Dan Lanning, Lincoln Riely, and, yes, Kirk Farentz and Mike Locksley.
You left out the part where he lost 9 straight to Michigan and 8 of 10 to Iowa. Many people wanted to run him out of town during those years.
Gotcha, and sure enough someone goes back to it. Why is it so difficult to limit discussion to the present?
I felt at the time he deserved more time, but looking back that was clearly the wrong call. He had 4 losing seasons in 5 years, we have had back to back 10+ win seasons so this discussion is kind of flipped here. No coach in this era survives 2 losing seasons unless something crazy occurred, never mind 4 in 5 years.
And me. Reached the point where, if he wasn't going to resign, had no problem with PSU firing him. Beat my head against the desk top when I read that Spanier and Curley went to Joe's house to get the deed done. I mean, who the fu@k fires a man in his home? Well, Spankie, that's who.
Sri for repeating this, but 6-6 in bowl games is terrible.Suck on the following pesky truths......
Franklin has had plenty of success at Penn State, but has struggled against the nation's best competition. While Franklin has led the Nittany Lions to four 11-win seasons, he also now holds a 3-17 record against top 10 teams.
He also holds a dismal 4-16 record against Ohio State and Michigan. Against the Wolverines individually, he is now 3-7.
Penn State is just 1-12 against top-10 teams in the coaches poll since it defeated Wisconsin in the 2016 Big Ten championship game. For the size of Franklin's paycheck, there's much to be desired, including a College Football Playoff berth.
Here's a look into how Franklin has fared in the last 10 contests against top-10 teams.
Timeline of James Franklin's failures in big games: record against top 10 teams, contract details | Sporting News
Looking into how Penn State head coach James Franklin has fared in big games.www.sportingnews.com
Date Opponent Final Score Nov. 11, 2023 No. 2 Michigan L, 24-15 Oct. 21, 2023 No. 3 Ohio State L, 20-12 Jan. 2, 2023 No. 10 Utah W, 35-21 Oct. 29, 2022 No. 4 Ohio State L, 44-31 Oct. 15, 2022 No. 3 Michigan L, 41-17 Nov. 27, 2021 No. 9 Michigan State L, 30-27 Oct. 31, 2020 No. 2 Ohio State L, 38-25 Nov. 23, 2019 No. 3 Ohio State L, 28-17 Nov. 9, 2019 No. 10 Minnesota L, 31-26 Sept. 29, 2018 No. 3 Ohio State L, 27-26
Utah was also missing their highly talented starting QB in the 2023 Rose Bowl. Do you have any further questions?
In what? Hot dog eating. Boxing or arm wrestling?Ryan Day? Has James Franklin ever beat Ryan Day?
Perhaps the same should apply when someone has something positive to say about Coach Franklin?
And handed it over to Jay which was a huge clusterf*ck. It took a few years of McQuery, Bradley, and Johnson recruiting to get things back on track. Regardless, his record during the Big Ten years against Ohio State, Michigan, and Iowa was really substandard for him. His record against top 15 teams the last 11 years he coached was abysmal. I agree with you, he should have retired at the very latest, 2008. Realistically, he should have retired after 1999. You hate Franklin, we get it. You beat a dead horse daily about it. My point is, the PSU program has been at this level or slightly less since the late 90’s. Does Franklin have his faults..certainly. But can we stop acting like he ran the program into the ground. He didn’t. He picked it up at its lowest point and is trying to get it to where we all want it to be. I’m sure no one wants it to be championship level more than he does.
If the HC can’t recruit, it’s time to go. Unfortunately, he was too stubborn to admit that.
Are we counting loses to Michigan State, Indiana, Iowa and Minnesota etc? Confused because I think I read here that those games are meaninless.
This thread is about Franklin and not Paterno.
No worries. I was once obligated to take a similar class.
Joe in the Big Ten 64% win...guess what Franklin 's is? PSU all time win % is .689....guess what James has done, including sanction years?
During the run in the early 80s and after, Paterno was The elite coach in the game. It faded but he was there
Oh please, if I ask anyone to pick Franklin's best season at PSU, everyone has to pick 2016. It was his greatest season, the only one he can really hang his hat on by any real measure of national relevance/success, and it required a unicorn on offense; and he still went 10-2 with a loss to Pitt and Michigan. He was gifted the greatest offensive player in PSU history in his prime. And the result was.... more of the regular season same. He hasn't been back to a BIG Championship game since. What changed?Bigger spoon, stir harder.
Yeah I know you can only pick out the losses as the overall resume isn't fair to talk about. It was his fault he recruited Barkley or he is still finished ranked 12 or higher in 6 of the last 8 years. Bottom line he's on the sideline this year, but you can hope he fails miserably so you can get the "I was right online" trophy you seem to want. Yippee.
That's where you are wrong. I would be thrilled if James won it all this year. I think everyone on this board would be. Nobody hates him. Some of us just don't expect a different result with him; we have seen the best of James, and it isn't enough to elevate the program beyond where it is. But that has always been the PSU way: don't change because it could be worse, ignore outside opinions or opinions from inside that go against the status quo, act like whatever the outcome is that at least we did it the "right" way (whatever that means)... and then that attitude and mind set bites PSU square on the nose when Mike McQueary walks into the locker room in early 2001.
You're a few months or decade behind on some of these topics man. Those discussion about NIL have been going on and the pay site has been reporting on it for over a year now. It stopped being college football when the NCAA and SEC didn't care about oversigning to create an advantage of about 5 extra ships a year well over a decade ago. The SEC has had the "portal" in place for a long time, they just asked guys to move on or forced them out the door. The SEC and tOSU had pay for play humming along long before NIL. Clarrett's was driving around in a 40k Navigator for Tresssel.....and his single Mom was making around 30k a year IIRC.
Fair and balanced. Game day coaching is a much over rated part of the HFC job.
That wasn't what I was saying. The typical PSU fan for decades thumbed their nose at other programs and the concept of paying players. Of course we all knew other programs were doing it, but publicly we loved to state that we were better than that, allegedly. Now we see regular threads, discussions, and approval from this fan base about paying players. Openly and proudly; whether from NIL or PSU directly in the future. The same institution who "has the football coaches name on the library" will now cut checks to the starting left guard on the football team; and our fans will cheer for more. Things change, sometimes for the better. It was the same thing I watched with the pre-portal when Bama and the SEC processed everyone; this fan base said "no, we don't do that; better than that." Well, the portal arrived, and we did a 180. Things change and either by force or desperation people adapt or fall off. The only thing this fan base refuses to move on from is this stupefying loyalty to whoever the HC is. And it is killing the on-field product because he isn't anything more than "good enough" at this point in his career.
He’d surpass Joe. 414 wins.Damn him for those 9 win seasons! Let's see...if James wins 9 per year for 46 years.I guess we deserve better.
Joe was 14-24 vs OSU and UMSuck on the following pesky truths......
Franklin has had plenty of success at Penn State, but has struggled against the nation's best competition. While Franklin has led the Nittany Lions to four 11-win seasons, he also now holds a 3-17 record against top 10 teams.
He also holds a dismal 4-16 record against Ohio State and Michigan. Against the Wolverines individually, he is now 3-7.
Penn State is just 1-12 against top-10 teams in the coaches poll since it defeated Wisconsin in the 2016 Big Ten championship game. For the size of Franklin's paycheck, there's much to be desired, including a College Football Playoff berth.
Here's a look into how Franklin has fared in the last 10 contests against top-10 teams.
Timeline of James Franklin's failures in big games: record against top 10 teams, contract details | Sporting News
Looking into how Penn State head coach James Franklin has fared in big games.
Date Opponent Final Score Nov. 11, 2023 No. 2 Michigan L, 24-15 Oct. 21, 2023 No. 3 Ohio State L, 20-12 Jan. 2, 2023 No. 10 Utah W, 35-21 Oct. 29, 2022 No. 4 Ohio State L, 44-31 Oct. 15, 2022 No. 3 Michigan L, 41-17 Nov. 27, 2021 No. 9 Michigan State L, 30-27 Oct. 31, 2020 No. 2 Ohio State L, 38-25 Nov. 23, 2019 No. 3 Ohio State L, 28-17 Nov. 9, 2019 No. 10 Minnesota L, 31-26 Sept. 29, 2018 No. 3 Ohio State L, 27-26
Utah was also missing their highly talented starting QB in the 2023 Rose Bowl. Do you have any further questions?
