This sums up recruiting in the NIL era

[JoeMorrisonLives]

I am not suggesting that at all. I'm not really sure how you could get that from what I said.

I said that's the sort of thing that falls 7nder "coachspeak", which I forgiveness and don't call out as "lying".

And Muschamp was not proven, except maybe to be proven a loser. His hiring was a mistake from the beginning.

I know he wasn't, so you know all the guys who turned us down before him?

 

[Lurker123]

I know he wasn't, so you know all the guys who turned us down before him?

You know he wasn't? I must have misread when you said we went the proven route and ended up with Muschamp.

I don't really know all the rumored people to have turned us down before Muschamp. Just what is made public on sites like this.

Forgive me if it's an incorrect assumption, but are you saying we can't find a coach with what I call good experience who would want to coach here? I wouldn't agree with that.

 

[JoeMorrisonLives]

You know he wasn't? I must have misread when you said we went the proven route and ended up with Muschamp.

I don't really know all the rumored people to have turned us down before Muschamp. Just what is made public on sites like this.

Forgive me if it's an incorrect assumption, but are you saying we can't find a coach with what I call good experience who would want to coach here? I wouldn't agree with that.

No, I said pursuing it ended with Muschamp, not that Muschamp was proven. We lost out on Smart. We lost out on Tom Herman. Fuentes said he didn't want to be in the SEC and turned down the interview. As I understand it, Rich Rod used is for a raise and we ended up not offering him. We didn't offer Lincoln Riley after interviewing him because we thought he wasn't proven over long enough as an OC. Muschamp us who was left after all of that, because at least he had HC experience and an white DC record. Notice, that was a lost of hit names at the time, except for Rich Rod who was a falling star, all but 2 have failed already and one is on the hotseat. Winning at G5 for Fuentes and Herman isn't the same as winning at P5 anymore.

Edit: And if you don't know, Herman dropped out when we lost to the Citadel, and Smart have UGA the chance to get him, or he was gonna sign with us. I think Tanner went with the conventional wisdom with his first few hires and then went unconventional with his he thought could coach.

 

[Gamecock Vet]

Bottom line is we need more money!! It’s no secret why other schools are stealing our recruits it’s because we can’t pay as much! I think Shane can be the guy but not without a significant amount of money to pay the players! When one guy is getting $800,000/ year to play at a school we can’t compete with that!

 

[Lurker123]

No, I said pursuing it ended with Muschamp, not that Muschamp was proven. We lost out on Smart. We lost out on Tom Herman. Fuentes said he didn't want to be in the SEC and turned down the interview. As I understand it, Rich Rod used is for a raise and we ended up not offering him. We didn't offer Lincoln Riley after interviewing him because we thought he wasn't proven over long enough as an OC. Muschamp us who was left after all of that, because at least he had HC experience and an white DC record. Notice, that was a lost of hit names at the time, except for Rich Rod who was a falling star, all but 2 have failed already and one is on the hotseat. Winning at G5 for Fuentes and Herman isn't the same as winning at P5 anymore.

Edit: And if you don't know, Herman dropped out when we lost to the Citadel, and Smart have UGA the chance to get him, or he was gonna sign with us. I think Tanner went with the conventional wisdom with his first few hires and then went unconventional with his he thought could coach.

Yeah, that about sums up the list of rumors that I heard too.

One thing you said really caught my attention.

"We didn't offer Lincoln Riley after interviewing him because we thought he wasn't proven over long enough as an OC."

That sounds highly suspect. We didn't offer an OC because he wasn't proven over long enough, but we did offer a guy who was never proven enough to even get to the OC level?

That just sounds odd.

I do agree though, we will have issues attracting top coaching talent. Most of thise you listed were highly sought after. Imho, we are going to have to settle, just not so much so in the future.

I still believe there are P4 coordinators and G5 coaches who would take this job.

 

[JoeMorrisonLives]

Yeah, that about sums up the list of rumors that I heard too.

One thing you said really caught my attention.

"We didn't offer Lincoln Riley after interviewing him because we thought he wasn't proven over long enough as an OC."

That sounds highly suspect. We didn't offer an OC because he wasn't proven over long enough, but we did offer a guy who was never proven enough to even get to the OC level?

That just sounds odd.

I do agree though, we will have issues attracting top coaching talent. Most of thise you listed were highly sought after. Imho, we are going to have to settle, just not so much so in the future.

I still believe there are P4 coordinators and G5 coaches who would take this job.

I'm saying the reason is so different is I think Tanner changed his MO after making so many bad hires. It is early for both, but Paris and Beamer for in with what I think is going right now, which is Tanner being a HOF coach looking for guys he's got a good feeling about, and of course Chance Miller was also involved in both processes. It's early, like I said, but both of those coaches pulled off things that weren't expected early and both were broadly considered an underwhelming how by the fans, and both showed they desperately wanted to be here.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm saying the reason is so different is I think Tanner changed his MO after making so many bad hires. It is early for both, but Paris and Beamer for in with what I think is going right now, which is Tanner being a HOF coach looking for guys he's got a good feeling about, and of course Chance Miller was also involved in both processes. It's early, like I said, but both of those coaches pulled off things that weren't expected early and both were broadly considered an underwhelming how by the fans, and both showed they desperately wanted to be here.

I cringe every time I hear "he wanted to be here". For that much money, I'm sure a lot of guys would want to be here.

And I agree Tanner changes his MO. Perhaps he aimed too high with some of those rumored attempts, but he then decided to hire someone with no experience in the hopes of recreating the dabo hire.

 

[JoeMorrisonLives]

I cringe every time I hear "he wanted to be here". For that much money, I'm sure a lot of guys would want to be here.

And I agree Tanner changes his MO. Perhaps he aimed too high with some of those rumored attempts, but he then decided to hire someone with no experience in the hopes of recreating the dabo hire.

The only thing I was driving at is our considerations changed. That's one of several similarities between the two, and is irrelevant to the FACT they've had short term success already.

 

[Lurker123]

The only thing I was driving at is our considerations changed. That's one of several similarities between the two, and is irrelevant to the FACT they've had short term success already.

Our considerations MUST have changed if we turned down actual OC's for lack of experience and then hired Beamer. If that rumor was true, that is.

And you're right. It is a FACT that they each had early success. Their trajectories don't exactly line up though.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I cringe every time I hear "he wanted to be here". For that much money, I'm sure a lot of guys would want to be here.

And I agree Tanner changes his MO. Perhaps he aimed too high with some of those rumored attempts, but he then decided to hire someone with no experience in the hopes of recreating the dabo hire.

I agree somewhat. No, Beamer was not sifting through a stack of HC job offers and picked us because this is where he wanted to be. We were his only offer. However, I do believe that this is his dream job.

 

[Southern Fried Chicken]

Expectations? I saw us win the ACC in 69 so I don't count, but you're right about most.

Is that the same year we went 7-4, (1-4 O.O.C.) lost by 25 to Jawja & Free Shoes, lost by 15 to The Vols and by 11 to West Viginia, while beating V.P.I. 17-16 for our only O.O.C. victory??? Oh! Yeah!!! Now I remember! 55 years ago.

 

[Lurker123]

I agree somewhat. No, Beamer was not sifting through a stack of HC job offers and picked us because this is where he wanted to be. We were his only offer. However, I do believe that this is his dream job.

I'd buy that. He did have his kids here.

 

[JoeMorrisonLives]

I agree somewhat. No, Beamer was not sifting through a stack of HC job offers and picked us because this is where he wanted to be. We were his only offer. However, I do believe that this is his dream job.

You think he's never gotten a G5 nibble?