Two things I am tired about hearing about Caitlin Clark.

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Everybody realizes that, but she broke the women’s all time scoring record and they show where she’s at in relation to Maravich to show what an unbelievable record it is. Don’t you think if there was a women’s professional baseball league and someone hit in 57 games in a row they would say that was longer than DiMaggio’s streak just to put it in perspective?
Where’s she’s at in relation to Maravich is irrelevant to what she does. She’s a woman who competes against women. What a man did competing against other men is irrelevant to what Clark has done. I don’t really care about it at all and I haven’t followed any of it. But I think what’s she’s done is good enough in its own without having to compare it to a man to give it some more substance.
 
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Where’s she’s at in relation to Maravich is irrelevant to what she does. She’s a woman who competes against women. What a man did competing against other men is irrelevant to what Clark has done. I don’t really care about it at all and I haven’t followed any of it. But I think what’s she’s done is good enough in its own without having to compare it to a man to give it some more subatrance.
But when she breaks Maravich’s record, she will be the all time scorer in the history of D-1 basketball….that’s not a comparison, it’s a fact. It’s not like they’re comparing a basketball player and a football player.
 

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But when she breaks Maravich’s record, she will be the all time scorer in the history of D-1 basketball….that’s not a comparison, it’s a fact. It’s not like they’re comparing a basketball player and a football player.
She’s already the number 1 scorer in NCAA history in her sport. Her sport is women’s basketball. They’re not the same thing and until this thread, I had no idea anybody was making believe records crossed over between the two. It’s silly.
There is nothing wrong with women’s basketball. I don’t see the need to bring men’s basketball into the discussion to give it relevance. I have an uncle who has one of the top 10 HR seasons in professional baseball history. It was not in the major leagues though and is not comparable to doing it in the major leagues. I didn’t hear his name brought up during the McGwire-Sosa chase because it was irrelevant to what they were doing.
 

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I don't have a problem with her. She seems personable and uber talented. Kelly Mazzante seemed the same way at PSU.

That said - as far as collegiate careers go - no one (male, female, not sure, none of the above) will ever compare to Pete Maravich. Ever.
 
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But when she breaks Maravich’s record, she will be the all time scorer in the history of D-1 basketball….that’s not a comparison, it’s a fact. It’s not like they’re comparing a basketball player and a football player.
How many 3 point shots did Pete Maravich make in College BBall?
 

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How many 3 point shots did Pete Maravich make in College BBall?
Dale Brown charted him out at 57 pts./game w/ the college 3 point line. It actually would have been higher because if he knew there was a 3 point line, he would have attempted many more of them. And made many more of them.
 
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Dale Brown charted him out at 57 pts./game w/ the college 3 point line. It actually would have been higher because if he knew there was a 3 point line, he would have attempted many more of them. And made many more of them.
I'd call BS on Dale Brown's 57 points/game then, since that would mean he's making about 13 three's/game (out of his 16.5 FGs).
 
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I'd call BS on Dale Brown's 57 points/game then, since that would mean he's making about 13 three's/game (out of his 16.5 FGs).
Take it up w/ Dale and LSU. He's on record w/ those numbers. I can see some exaggeration there, but he's in the zip code imo.
 

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She’s already the number 1 scorer in NCAA history in her sport. Her sport is women’s basketball. They’re not the same thing and until this thread, I had no idea anybody was making believe records crossed over between the two. It’s silly.
There is nothing wrong with women’s basketball. I don’t see the need to bring men’s basketball into the discussion to give it relevance. I have an uncle who has one of the top 10 HR seasons in professional baseball history. It was not in the major leagues though and is not comparable to doing it in the major leagues. I didn’t hear his name brought up during the McGwire-Sosa chase because it was irrelevant to what they were doing.
No one is bringing up D2 or D3 scorers…that’s the equivalent of your uncle’s situation. Maravich and Clark play the same sport and both play at the D-1 level.
 

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How many 3 point shots did Pete Maravich make in College BBall?
There have been a ton of players since Maravich who had the three point shot and none of them broke his record. To down play what Clark is doing based on the three point shot is lame.
 

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No one is bringing up D2 or D3 scorers…that’s the equivalent of your uncle’s situation. Maravich and Clark play the same sport and both play at the D-1 level.
And Clark is not playing men’s basketball. She’s playing women’s basketball, which is enough. There is no reason to bring the men’s game into the equation.
 

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And Clark is not playing men’s basketball. She’s playing women’s basketball, which is enough. There is no reason to bring the men’s game into the equation.
They’re it bringing the men’s game into the equation, they’re bringing the point total into the equation. Again, no one is saying Clark could outplay Maravich on the court, they’re saying she is going to score more points than he did. If someone in the WNBA scores 102 points in a game, I’m quite certain Wilt Chamberlain will be mentioned.
 

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It’s one thing to have no real interest in CC or women’s college basketball in general but there’s no point in trying to justify this statement. Why bother? Nobody cares. Two things can be true at the same time: one: WCB is full of terrifically skilled players who have worked hard to become so (quick, what movie?) and two: you couldn’t care less.
 

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They’re it bringing the men’s game into the equation, they’re bringing the point total into the equation. Again, no one is saying Clark could outplay Maravich on the court, they’re saying she is going to score more points than he did. If someone in the WNBA scores 102 points in a game, I’m quite certain Wilt Chamberlain will be mentioned.
Or if someone beds 10,000 women!
 

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All time women's B1G scoring leaders. Looking at this, it reminds me how great Mazzante was.

1Caitlin Clark3569
2Kelsey Mitchell3402
3Rachel Banham3093
4Kelly Mazzante2919
 

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They’re not bringing the men’s game into the equation, they’re bringing the point total into the equation, and excluding everything else.
Fixed. Yeah, no need to read anything else into it.
 

Connorpozlee

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They’re it bringing the men’s game into the equation, they’re bringing the point total into the equation. Again, no one is saying Clark could outplay Maravich on the court, they’re saying she is going to score more points than he did. If someone in the WNBA scores 102 points in a game, I’m quite certain Wilt Chamberlain will be mentioned.
They would surely mention it, to give it some weight. If it was reversed nobody would care about it. Again, a WNBA player scoring more than Wilt is a great accomplishment in and of itself and has absolutely nothing to do with Wilt.
 

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Dale Brown charted him out at 57 pts./game w/ the college 3 point line. It actually would have been higher because if he knew there was a 3 point line, he would have attempted many more of them. And made many more of them.
I’m not sure Dale said 57 but I definitely agree with you that if the line was there, he would’ve shot more of them.
 

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There have been a ton of players since Maravich who had the three point shot and none of them broke his record. To down play what Clark is doing based on the three point shot is lame.
Maybe people shouldn't mention Clark's name to down play what Maravich did since there is no way in hell she will ever be better than he was doing anything on the basketball court?
 

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As @LionJim said "Why bother? Nobody cares." when it comes to comparing Caitlin Clark with Pistol Pete.

Sure CC has set the college scoring record. But ... like I said in an earlier post, who cares, since you really can't compare things like that. Rules have changed, conditions have changed, etc, etc ... simply put, the individuals in question have played GREAT in their sport during the TIME they were there.

And to shed light on this, Clark has already played over 100 games at Iowa and many of her points were 3 pointers and she played with a shot clock which prevented any slowdowns. Pistol Pete only played 83 games at LSU, without a 3 point line and without a shot clock (just imagine being unlucky and playing against a Dean Smith coached UNC team with their patented 4 corner offense). Things like this can be said about every sport record ... examples MLB 154 game season vs current 162 game season, NFL 12 game season vs 14 game season vs 16 and 17 game seasons (plus DBs allowed to play bump and run compared to now), ...
 

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Maybe people shouldn't mention Clark's name to down play what Maravich did since there is no way in hell she will ever be better than he was doing anything on the basketball court?
And I don’t believe anyone is saying she is better than he was. She might be better than he was compared to her peers, but not compared to him.
 
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And I don’t believe anyone is saying she is better than he was. She might be better than he was compared to her peers, but not compared to him.
It's so hard to compare them...heck, it's hard to even compare players in their own sport. Would you rather Pistol Pete scoring a ton but not being overly efficient and never winning anything in college, or a guy that was more efficient and won? And would you rather a two-way player like Brittney Griner, or Clark?
 

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It's so hard to compare them...heck, it's hard to even compare players in their own sport. Would you rather Pistol Pete scoring a ton but not being overly efficient and never winning anything in college, or a guy that was more efficient and won? And would you rather a two-way player like Brittney Griner, or Clark?
Great players adapt to their environment. Obviously, Greiner, Clark, Maravich, Lynette Woodward and Pearl Moore were Great players. I got no problem saying each of them was. Pete Maravich was a product of his obsessed father Press. There was positives and negatives to how he turned out. I simply think it's laughable to say Clark will be the Greatest scorer in NCAA history possibly....when it's comparing apples to oranges. The size of the ball, the distance of the 3 point line, and the fact that there was no 3 point shot in the past alone point to the fact it's a stretch to make a comparison.
 

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Since this thread isnt about a great male basketball player that passed away 35 plus years ago, I'll put this here. Here's what Clark does for WBB.

 
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Since this thread isnt about a great male basketball player that passed away 35 plus years ago, I'll put this here. Here's what Clark does for WBB.


Can you imagine the cost of a ticket if Iowa somehow loses in round 1!
 

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Good to know you're triggered by petty things especially those involving popular women.

Here is the rub of it, if the men's basketball weighed 20lbs then Steph Curry wouldn't be able to shoot as well as he does. It's crazy that we think Steph Curry is as great of a shooter as we have been told, he hasn't even been using a 20lb basketball. It's too easy for him.
 

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Time out (Chris Webber style)! We are making this way too complicated. Ms. Clark plays for Iowa. Iowa!!!

We must maintain focus!

Who hates Iowa?

We hate...


Oops! Sorry, wrong board.
 

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It's so hard to compare them...heck, it's hard to even compare players in their own sport. Would you rather Pistol Pete scoring a ton but not being overly efficient and never winning anything in college, or a guy that was more efficient and won? And would you rather a two-way player like Brittney Griner, or Clark?
I grew up a huge Maravich fan, he was my favorite player until Bird came along. Once Clark breaks Maravich’s record, she will be the all time leading scorer in D-1 basketball…if people take that to mean people are saying she’s better than him, then that’s on them. All it means is she scored more points than he did and nothing else.
 
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I grew up a huge Maravich fan, he was my favorite player until Bird came along. Once Clark breaks Maravich’s record, she will be the all time leading scorer in D-1 basketball…if people take that to mean people are saying she’s better than him, then that’s on them. All it means is she scored more points than he did and nothing else.
All time leading scorer in women’s D1 basketball.
 

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All time leading scorer in women’s D1 basketball.
All time leading scorer in D-1 basketball. It’s funny, they never say Maravich is the all time leading scorer in D1 men’s basketball….they just say he’s the all time leading scorer in college basketball history. I promise you that Caitlin Clark surpassing his point total will not diminish what he accomplished in any way.
 
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All time leading scorer in D-1 basketball. It’s funny, they never say Maravich is the all time leading scorer in D1 men’s basketball….they just say he’s the all time leading scorer in college basketball history. I promise you that Caitlin Clark surpassing his point total will not diminish what he accomplished in any way.
And I promise you that saying she is the leading scorer in women’s D1 history will not diminish what she has done. For me at least. Seems like maybe it would for you.
 
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