Care to explain that further or provide a link? If you're thinking of the Big Ten Academic Alliance, you misunde4rstand its purpose.
USC & UCLA to B1G by 2024; conferences react; TV contracts thread
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To whatever degree those features make those schools worthwhile adds - I don’t think they do - you get the market and prestige by adding one of them. No reason to add both.
And long term, it’s a better play to get a school like UNC or UVA for those purposes than Stanford or Cal. At least those schools tend to be better in sports that matter and have greater support.
The next 24 hours are probably more about Zona (and others) to the Big 12 than anything involving the Big Ten. The Big Ten really has no urgency on the matter
It comes down to which schools get watched on TV regardless of the location of the set. That data is available.
Probably not in terms of the next 24 hours, but the Big Ten can't sleep on it. The media rights deal negotiated by the PAC-howevermany comes with a GOR. Additionally, Brett Yormark is the smartest guy out there, Petitti not so much.
Sources: Big Ten OK'd to scout Oregon, UW adds
Commissioner Tony Petitti was tasked with bringing Big Ten presidents back more information on the potential additions of Oregon and Washington. Sources cautioned to ESPN that there are many directions on how everything could play out in the big picture.
www.espn.com
If they get Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal, they get the BTN broadcast up and down the entire west coast and those schools will be part of the B1G/Fox TV deal also. I would rather see UVa, VT, UNC added, as well, because they are all relatively easy road trips and all 3 have wrestling programs, but that line of thinking isn’t in the equation here. It’s all about mega bucks and TV money dominance.
BTN is already available on the West Coast. As for the linear network deals, there is no automatic increase. Getting 2/4/6 teams revenue shares, partial or whole, without diluting what current members have been promised is going to be a significant hurdle. Don't expect Fox/NBC/CBS to throw the vault doors wide open.
That’s not what I meant to say. I should have worded it better. Regardless of what deal is in place, it apparently is better for those schools than any deal the dying PAC 12 may be offering them. I’m sure they are keenly aware of how any future deal may benefit them.
It seems Oregon and Washington are going to the Big, it's a shame OSU and WSU aren't along for the ride, good fans. Stanford and Cal have weak attendance.
Sources: Arizona amid final steps to join Big 12
Arizona is in deep discussions about joining the Big 12, sources told ESPN, with a deal expected to be finalized in the near future.
www.espn.com
Oregon and Washington aren’t going to the Big 12. They aren’t going to lock into that conference if they know the Big Ten is a viable possibility. There’s no rush on the Big Ten’s side and they don’t want to be seen as the people who killed the PAC.
They don’t need Stanford or Cal for that. Relatively no one watches those schools compared to USC/UCLA or UW/OU. And that would be splitting the pot of revenue more ways. I really don’t see how they could justify Stanford or Cal financially unless they are adding one along with (say) Notre Dame.
This entire week of seeing the Pac-12 die is like watching the fall of the Roman Empire. Great history, storied heros from its past, but totally rotten on the inside and falling down like the house of cards it is....
Except our BOT isn't playing the fiddle while PSU burns: they are playing bagpipes and accordions while Sandy sings a medley of vaudeville songs.Sounds just like PSU!
So two teams with awful football programs, that have never been to a Rose Bowl, decide to go to a conference filled with mediocre teams nobody outside of Waco Texas cares about and the world ends?
Another team that has only been to two Rose Bowls in their history, the last 26 years ago, decides to join them? Pfft. Again, who cares?
The PAC still has Oregon, Washington, Utah and Stanford, arguably all better football programs than any in the Crap 12 and could add Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State, SMU.
What the PAC obviously lacks is a leader. Give them a decent commissioner who has a heartbeat and they survive this.
All this over maybe 10 or 15 million dollars a year in tv money? For schools with multi billion dollar budgets and development offices that typically raise hundreds of millions a year? Seriously, if Cal wanted to compete with Alabama they could raise more money from wealthy alums in two days than the SEC contract would pay Alsbama in 5 years. The same with Stanford, Washington and Oregon. In the age of NIL all it takes is will and capacity and those programs would be superpowers fueled by tech money.
the Big 12 is a joke. A bunch of wannabes lacking the academic and financial capacity of bottom dwellers in the PAC. They are doomed in an era of two super conferences.
The talking heads who declare the PAC and ACC dead seem driven by the thought that TV money is never ending. They would have everyone give up all college football tradition for the promise of never ending mega contracts.
College football is going to die. It is already infested with a terminal illness. When all that is left are 50 or so programs in a semi pro super league the sport will die in places without teams, just as it has died in the Northeast . With collapsing interest you will see the TV dollars decline. Then this one way bet fails. Don’t think that will happen? Remember that crowds of 80,000 college football fans once appeared every Saturday at stadiums in Boston, New Haven, Philadelphia and New York. No more. The NFL dominates those markets now.
Conference expansion and professional athletes are killing a once great sport. Gone are traditional rivalries. Gone are connections to student athletes sharing a common allegiance with fans of the schools. Gone are regional conferences offering common links and support for recruiting, business relationships, and student attraction. Who feels a common allegiance with 19 year old kids driving BMWs and making millions in NIL? Who cares about playing the likes of Minnesota and Indiana? Who else misses games against regional rivals whose alumni you work and live next to? These are the things that made college football special in the first place. We have and are losing all that. Once it’s all gone the sport is a poor minor league form of the NFL. Who will care about supporting that when the real thing already exists?
And what of Penn State? We have administrators and BOT members spending and borrowing hundreds of millions over Lasch Building improvements and practice facilities. They want stadium improvements that will reach a billion dollars. They would risk the full faith and credit of the University over their ego driven football fetish. Meanwhile tuition continues its rise and academic quality declines.
Another team that has only been to two Rose Bowls in their history, the last 26 years ago, decides to join them? Pfft. Again, who cares?
The PAC still has Oregon, Washington, Utah and Stanford, arguably all better football programs than any in the Crap 12 and could add Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State, SMU.
What the PAC obviously lacks is a leader. Give them a decent commissioner who has a heartbeat and they survive this.
All this over maybe 10 or 15 million dollars a year in tv money? For schools with multi billion dollar budgets and development offices that typically raise hundreds of millions a year? Seriously, if Cal wanted to compete with Alabama they could raise more money from wealthy alums in two days than the SEC contract would pay Alsbama in 5 years. The same with Stanford, Washington and Oregon. In the age of NIL all it takes is will and capacity and those programs would be superpowers fueled by tech money.
the Big 12 is a joke. A bunch of wannabes lacking the academic and financial capacity of bottom dwellers in the PAC. They are doomed in an era of two super conferences.
The talking heads who declare the PAC and ACC dead seem driven by the thought that TV money is never ending. They would have everyone give up all college football tradition for the promise of never ending mega contracts.
College football is going to die. It is already infested with a terminal illness. When all that is left are 50 or so programs in a semi pro super league the sport will die in places without teams, just as it has died in the Northeast . With collapsing interest you will see the TV dollars decline. Then this one way bet fails. Don’t think that will happen? Remember that crowds of 80,000 college football fans once appeared every Saturday at stadiums in Boston, New Haven, Philadelphia and New York. No more. The NFL dominates those markets now.
Conference expansion and professional athletes are killing a once great sport. Gone are traditional rivalries. Gone are connections to student athletes sharing a common allegiance with fans of the schools. Gone are regional conferences offering common links and support for recruiting, business relationships, and student attraction. Who feels a common allegiance with 19 year old kids driving BMWs and making millions in NIL? Who cares about playing the likes of Minnesota and Indiana? Who else misses games against regional rivals whose alumni you work and live next to? These are the things that made college football special in the first place. We have and are losing all that. Once it’s all gone the sport is a poor minor league form of the NFL. Who will care about supporting that when the real thing already exists?
And what of Penn State? We have administrators and BOT members spending and borrowing hundreds of millions over Lasch Building improvements and practice facilities. They want stadium improvements that will reach a billion dollars. They would risk the full faith and credit of the University over their ego driven football fetish. Meanwhile tuition continues its rise and academic quality declines.
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I finally came to the conclusion I want to see this entire new system torn down. In the modern terminology it is not “sustainable”.
We have inserted the seeds of our own destruction in this mania to have a football business. Resources better spent on the core mission of a University are being redirected and we see the outcome, rising tuition and declining educational quality.
I would support a D3 program watching real student athletes compete against regional rivals. Here is an idea.. let’s have Penn State lead a movement to deemphasize professional sports and return to a traditional approach that produced a college game that we all grew up to love and support?
Harvard Beats Yale
This documentary shows what made college football special. No BMWs being driven by backup quarterbacks, no AD office with dozens of Assistant VPs, no mega conference. Instead, two rivals consisting of players with common allegiances with the fans playing for the glory of their institutions. This is what brought many of us to the game in the first place. This is what we cared about. This is what we have lost.
This documentary shows what made college football special. No BMWs being driven by backup quarterbacks, no AD office with dozens of Assistant VPs, no mega conference. Instead, two rivals consisting of players with common allegiances with the fans playing for the glory of their institutions. This is what brought many of us to the game in the first place. This is what we cared about. This is what we have lost.
Not so much lost as displaced. I'm sure that you can find what you're looking for in many DII and DIII teams in your area.
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