USC & UCLA to B1G by 2024; conferences react; TV contracts thread

HarrisburgDave

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Not so much lost as displaced. I'm sure that you can find what you're looking for in many DII and DIII teams in your area.
That is the exact point I have tried to make in this thread.

Instead of games that mean something and victories against teams like Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia and others we now can cheer we have a bigger tv deal!

f*** that. Who cares about tv deals, BMWs for backups, huge salaries for coaching staffs and billions in debt supporting the $ chase? Only football fetishists. The sad thing is these people are put on the BOT and have decision making power.
 

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College football is going to die. It is already infested with a terminal illness. When all that is left are 50 or so programs in a semi pro super league the sport will die in places without teams, just as it has died in the Northeast . With collapsing interest you will see the TV dollars decline. Then this one way bet fails. Don’t think that will happen? Remember that crowds of 80,000 college football fans once appeared every Saturday at stadiums in Boston, New Haven, Philadelphia and New York. No more. The NFL dominates those markets now.
You raise an interesting point and question. As the things that make college football distinct from minor league sports are erased and the connections between the programs and schools are reduced to uniforms and facilities, what is left that will continue to generate passionate fan interest and the dollars that come with it? Minor league sports don't fill large venues, don't draw top dollar for tickets, and certainly don't get massive TV contracts. Why? Not enough people care. The fact that you won't hear anyone in the media talking about this reminds me of the strike-ridden years of MLB. We were told that baseball was a business and the feelings of the fans didn't much matter. The fact that another word for "fan" was "customer" totally escaped the owners, players, and media. They paid a price for it, even with a product that returned largely unchanged. Has anyone asked if those running CFB if they are sure they are building a product their customers will still want?
 

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Has anyone asked if those running CFB if they are sure they are building a product their customers will still want?
Bingo!

The answer is obvious. No.

TV guys and the lust for current dollars have blinded the decision makers for college sports. Here we have the B1G now run by one of these guys.

Ask a Pitt fan if he plans to switch his allegiance to Penn State when they are left out of a super conference of 50 schools?

How about Washington State fans?

How about Kansas fans?

Va Tech? Syracuse? NC State? GA Tech? Oregon State? Houston? Tulane? San Diego State? Louisville? Memphis State? Colorado State? Boise State? You get the idea.

This tv business model fails when fan interest is lost at these schools. How can these geniuses not see this?
 

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Bingo!

The answer is obvious. No.

TV guys and the lust for current dollars have blinded the decision makers for college sports. Here we have the B1G now run by one of these guys.

Ask a Pitt fan if he plans to switch his allegiance to Penn State when they are left out of a super conference of 50 schools?

depends, will PSU give them free key chains?
 

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To pay for an exit fee?


It's doable, but I can't imagine it coming cheap. Seems that FSU's main purpose for leaving the ACC is to make more money in another conference. So then, they'll turn around and give a large chunk of it to their bankers (Morgan Chase doesn't work for free) and PE investors (many of whom are universities; nothing like walking around with your fly way open).
 

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So two teams with awful football programs, that have never been to a Rose Bowl, decide to go to a conference filled with mediocre teams nobody outside of Waco Texas cares about and the world ends?

Another team that has only been to two Rose Bowls in their history, the last 26 years ago, decides to join them? Pfft. Again, who cares?

The PAC still has Oregon, Washington, Utah and Stanford, arguably all better football programs than any in the Crap 12 and could add Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State, SMU.

What the PAC obviously lacks is a leader. Give them a decent commissioner who has a heartbeat and they survive this.

All this over maybe 10 or 15 million dollars a year in tv money? For schools with multi billion dollar budgets and development offices that typically raise hundreds of millions a year? Seriously, if Cal wanted to compete with Alabama they could raise more money from wealthy alums in two days than the SEC contract would pay Alsbama in 5 years. The same with Stanford, Washington and Oregon. In the age of NIL all it takes is will and capacity and those programs would be superpowers fueled by tech money.

the Big 12 is a joke. A bunch of wannabes lacking the academic and financial capacity of bottom dwellers in the PAC. They are doomed in an era of two super conferences.

The talking heads who declare the PAC and ACC dead seem driven by the thought that TV money is never ending. They would have everyone give up all college football tradition for the promise of never ending mega contracts.

College football is going to die. It is already infested with a terminal illness. When all that is left are 50 or so programs in a semi pro super league the sport will die in places without teams, just as it has died in the Northeast . With collapsing interest you will see the TV dollars decline. Then this one way bet fails. Don’t think that will happen? Remember that crowds of 80,000 college football fans once appeared every Saturday at stadiums in Boston, New Haven, Philadelphia and New York. No more. The NFL dominates those markets now.

Conference expansion and professional athletes are killing a once great sport. Gone are traditional rivalries. Gone are connections to student athletes sharing a common allegiance with fans of the schools. Gone are regional conferences offering common links and support for recruiting, business relationships, and student attraction. Who feels a common allegiance with 19 year old kids driving BMWs and making millions in NIL? Who cares about playing the likes of Minnesota and Indiana? Who else misses games against regional rivals whose alumni you work and live next to? These are the things that made college football special in the first place. We have and are losing all that. Once it’s all gone the sport is a poor minor league form of the NFL. Who will care about supporting that when the real thing already exists?

And what of Penn State? We have administrators and BOT members spending and borrowing hundreds of millions over Lasch Building improvements and practice facilities. They want stadium improvements that will reach a billion dollars. They would risk the full faith and credit of the University over their ego driven football fetish. Meanwhile tuition continues its rise and academic quality declines.
Football drives applications and academic quality. See Bama. When I was on college, a Bama edumacation was equivalent to a northern 8th grade passage. Now they are fairly respectable due to kids wanting to be ‘on the in’ with something to brag about.
 

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It's doable, but I can't imagine it coming cheap. Seems that FSU's main purpose for leaving the ACC is to make more money in another conference. So then, they'll turn around and give a large chunk of it to their bankers (Morgan Chase doesn't work for free) and PE investors (many of whom are universities; nothing like walking around with your fly way open).
Football fetishists exist at places other than Penn State.

God save us from these people. They will sell the future to the Blackstone Group for a seat at a mega conference table.

I wonder what AAU member school Presidents at non “football” schools think of these people?
 

HarrisburgDave

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Football drives applications and academic quality. See Bama. When I was on college, a Bama edumacation was equivalent to a northern 8th grade passage. Now they are fairly respectable due to kids wanting to be ‘on the in’ with something to brag about.
Sure. We can become more like an Alabama with a pedestrian degree.

Instead of Lasch Building, practice facilities, and stadium improvements, why not spend $1.1 billion in labs, faculty, scholarships, and academic facilities and choose to become a U of Chicago or NYU?

I can just see the President of the University of Chicago going to his BOT and saying instead of building a new Physics lab and hiring Nobel laureates to run it I have decided to upgrade the football program as a marketing tool.

We have our President and Brandon Short making that foolish argument and being supported by the BOT.
 
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Remain Calm All Is Well GIF
 

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Now Seattle will be the prime b1g roadtrip. Original Starbucks! 😀
 

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It is interesting to think that if you go back nearly 40 years there were two key events that triggered where we are today...

(1) 1986 Fiesta Bowl moved outside/past Jan1st date and put in prime time, the first time the bowl system was manipulated specifically for a #1 vs #2 match-up

(2) 1990 when Penn State announces it was joining BIG 10... it started the first sizable conference movements (including AK to SEC, FL ST to ACC)

I don't think JVP would be thrilled with where we are today though
 

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Crazy... so many tweets and reports out there of Oregon/Washington going to the Big 10 or staying in the Pac12 my head hurts. I am waiting until tonight and see how this shakes out.
 
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It is interesting to think that if you go back nearly 40 years there were two key events that triggered where we are today...

(1) 1986 Fiesta Bowl moved outside/past Jan1st date and put in prime time, the first time the bowl system was manipulated specifically for a #1 vs #2 match-up

(2) 1990 when Penn State announces it was joining BIG 10... it started the first sizable conference movements (including AK to SEC, FL ST to ACC)

I don't think JVP would be thrilled with where we are today though

It’s always our fault.
 
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This tv business model fails when fan interest is lost at these schools. How can these geniuses not see this?

The current CFP model is basically pushing for a whole lot of casual fans who watch on TV but alienating a smaller group of core fans who actually support the sport more heavily. I do wonder as it progresses more towards NFL lite, will it lose all the cool things that actually made it distinct from the pros?
 

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Football drives applications and academic quality. See Bama. When I was on college, a Bama edumacation was equivalent to a northern 8th grade passage. Now they are fairly respectable due to kids wanting to be ‘on the in’ with something to brag about.
Applications? Probably. Academic quality? Bama ranks behind Samford. Saban needs to ramp it up, dadgummit.
 

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BIG10 will add Stanford, Cal, ND and U of Miami, UNC and Duke within the next few years. My best guess.
I’d be shocked if we see any additional west coast additions anytime soon or ever. Notre Dame and FSU will be the next targets, with UNC, UVA, and Miami (FL) being the secondary targets from the ACC
 
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