2021 Eagles Thread

WestSideLion

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Full disclosure - not an Iggles fan - but not a hater either (wife is huge fan)

that schedule looks like 9-8 written all over it
They’re a wildcard. If Hurts and the offense take a step forward, the. 10-12 wins is possible. If not, then 6-9 wins is likely.
 
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Funny how 1 signing has people completely 180’d on the D. Count me in as one of those people…..

As it’s a 1 year deal, how much you wanna bet this signals a first round CB/S next year with either both picks or a package and move up?
 
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Funny how 1 signing has people completely 180’d on the D. Count me in as one of those people…..

As it’s a 1 year deal, how much you wanna bet this signals a first round CB/S next year with either both picks or a package and move up?
How good is this Bradberry guy? He was on the vaGiants and they were awful. I really don't put any weight into Shorr-Parks tweets because they usually seem overly sensationalized for clicks.

Hate to sound like I am beating the proverbial horse, but not getting my hopes up until all this hype plays out on the field. I think these young coaches learn and adjust when they got outcoached last year. Sometimes its hard to be a Philly Sports Phan. :cool:
 

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How good is this Bradberry guy? He was on the vaGiants and they were awful. I really don't put any weight into Shorr-Parks tweets because they usually seem overly sensationalized for clicks.

Oh he’s GOOD GOOD. He’s essentially 1A to Slay’s 1. Could arguably say he’s better. This isn’t Steven Nelson. He’s not a #2 CB, he’s a second #1. Read what PFF has to say about him. He’s one of the top 3 CBs in terms of pass breakups over the last 5 seasons, with Slay and Marshon Lattimore. plus here’s what the devil site has to say about him.

 

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Oh he’s GOOD GOOD. He’s essentially 1A to Slay’s 1. Could arguably say he’s better. This isn’t Steven Nelson. He’s not a #2 CB, he’s a second #1. Read what PFF has to say about him. He’s one of the top 3 CBs in terms of pass breakups over the last 5 seasons, with Slay and Marshon Lattimore. plus here’s what the devil site has to say about him.

correct. When he was released the the GMen (couldn't reach a contract that satisfied both sides), Eliot Shorr-Parks was all over the idea that Birds should sign him. I thought it would be a good move, but didn't know if the Birds could make the numbers work. A one-year deal seems to work out well for both sides.

Slay is a very good CB for the Birds, but he's had injury issues. Plus, he's only signed through the 2023 season. (technically, he's on the books for 2024 and 2025, but they can be voided at the start of the 2024 season, though the Birds will be hit with $4.75M of dead cap.)

an excellent move by Howie (signing Bradberry). Hopefully, he decides to stick around for a few more years. Plus, I think the GMen were stuck with a pretty big dead cap hit when they released Bradberry (not my problem, but it does give me a laugh to think of him playing for the Birds, and one of their division opponents taking a hit on their books).
 

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How good is this Bradberry guy? He was on the vaGiants and they were awful. I really don't put any weight into Shorr-Parks tweets because they usually seem overly sensationalized for clicks.

Hate to sound like I am beating the proverbial horse, but not getting my hopes up until all this hype plays out on the field. I think these young coaches learn and adjust when they got outcoached last year. Sometimes its hard to be a Philly Sports Phan. :cool:
And Hurts needs to step up. I definitely don’t think the verdict has been announced, but the jury is still deliberating. He’s a coach’s son, I’ve seen a lot of cases where this makes a difference. But if he doesn’t hit it next year the Eagles need to move on.
 

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they have improved the roster. I don’t see a major back slide. Hurts needs to improve.

Agreed. With a solidified OL, second year under his OC/HC, good friend as a weapon….. if he regresses or stays the same, it’s time to go.
 

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Agreed. With a solidified OL, second year under his OC/HC, good friend as a weapon….. if he regresses or stays the same, it’s time to go.
I try not to get overly excited but I really like the moves they’ve made this off-season which probably means everyone will end up hurt. Lol.
 
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I try not to get overly excited but I really like the moves they’ve made this off-season which probably means everyone will end up hurt. Lol.

Right? Or remember the “dream team”??? I agree though, Howie made all the right moves. Only thing would be to get a S but besides that they filled ALL the holes
 

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Pieces are being added to fill needs. Like usual, the Eagles' success will more and more start to come down to quarterback play. I am hoping for the best.
 
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Agreed. With a solidified OL, second year under his OC/HC, good friend as a weapon….. if he regresses or stays the same, it’s time to go.
The roster is 100% built to win with an improved Hurts in 2022 or to bring in a better QB for 2023. Barring injuries, Hurts would be the only reason they fail to take a step forward. The good news is that's a nice position to be in. You hope for the best with Hurts, but have the fallback option.
 

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The roster is 100% built to win with an improved Hurts in 2022 or to bring in a better QB for 2023. Barring injuries, Hurts would be the only reason they fail to take a step forward. The good news is that's a nice position to be in. You hope for the best with Hurts, but have the fallback option.
Heard having a second round pick on a rookie contract is like saving $30 mil in cap space. So if he doesn’t work out , what do you do? Bring in a vet and cut half the team to get under the cap?
Draft a rookie? And then start over??? I don’t see that.
it’s Hurts or bust is what I see
 

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Heard having a second round pick on a rookie contract is like saving $30 mil in cap space. So if he doesn’t work out , what do you do? Bring in a vet and cut half the team to get under the cap?
Draft a rookie? And then start over??? I don’t see that.
it’s Hurts or bust is what I see
I think drafting a QB would indicate they think more highly of him day 1 than Hurts after 3 years.

The formula you want is still Mahomes or Allen for 3-4 years on a rookie deal. Any QB - even Hurts - who performs well on a rookie deal will get top money. And with a 2nd rounder, you lose one year of cost control.
 

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Draft a rookie? And then start over??? I don’t see that.
I think this is definitely the plan.
Part of the reason they pushed a 1st round pick to next year. Gives them flexibility to move up in a class that is expected to have some good QBs.
Russell Wilson and Mahomes won super bowls in their 2nd and 3rd seasons. No reason that can't be repeated with the right guy. It's not like the old days when teams groomed QBs for years.
 

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I would have really thought a team needing a QB would take him. I thought Carolina would be prefect spot for him
Meh. Nick has enough game tape now for teams to know he’s not “the guy.” He’s had a lot of starting shots now. He’s a really nice backup with an all time fairy tale story.
 

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Meh. Nick has enough game tape now for teams to know he’s not “the guy.” He’s had a lot of starting shots now. He’s a really nice backup with an all time fairy tale story.

Read a while ago that one of the big differences between starters and backups is consistency. Nick caught lightning in a bottle in 17, but outside of that has been really average. He would be a perfect backup in Jacksonville. Reunite with Doug and mentor lawrence
 
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Read a while ago that one of the big differences between starters and backups is consistency. Nick caught lightning in a bottle in 17, but outside of that has been really average. He would be a perfect backup in Jacksonville. Reunite with Doug and mentor lawrence
How soon they forget. 17td 2 int QB rating of 119 is not really average
 

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How soon they forget. 17td 2 int QB rating of 119 is not really average

but 7td 10int QB rating of 69 absolutely is. If you can cherry pick from his best season, I can cherry pick from his worst.

Career (56 games started 68 games played) he’s 1277 for 2045 (62.4% completion) 82td 43int (2.1 int%). He’s the epitome of average, in much less duty than his peers.
 

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but 7td 10int QB rating of 69 absolutely is. If you can cherry pick from his best season, I can cherry pick from his worst.

Career (56 games started 68 games played) he’s 1277 for 2045 (62.4% completion) 82td 43int (2.1 int%). He’s the epitome of average, in much less duty than his peers.
Average can’t throw 27 TD in the NFL. You have to have ability for that
So you are saying you would rather have Sam Darnell (sp) then Nick?
How about Mitchell Tribisky??
Daniel JONES?
Drew lock?
Marcus Mariota?
zach Wilson?
it’s probably Davis Mills that has you excited. Those guys are all starting QBs in the NFL

if I were in a seat as hot as Matt Rhules I’d rather take my chances w Nick
it takes ability to throw 27 TD in an NFL career let alone a season. He is certainly not average , though Chip might think so
 

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Average can’t throw 27 TD in the NFL. You have to have ability for that

if I were in a seat as hot as Matt Rhules I’d rather take my chances w Nick
it takes ability to throw 27 TD in an NFL career let alone a season. He is certainly not average , though Chip might think so

2013 was 9 years ago. You make it sound like he threw 27 TDs in the last couple years. While I agree that Carolina would have been well served to sign him, I don't think he's throwing 27 TDs the rest of his career; much less in one season.
 

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Average can’t throw 27 TD in the NFL. You have to have ability for that
So you are saying you would rather have Sam Darnell (sp) then Nick?
How about Mitchell Tribisky??
Daniel JONES?
Drew lock?
Marcus Mariota?
zach Wilson?
it’s probably Davis Mills that has you excited. Those guys are all starting QBs in the NFL

if I were in a seat as hot as Matt Rhules I’d rather take my chances w Nick
it takes ability to throw 27 TD in an NFL career let alone a season. He is certainly not average , though Chip might think so

Stop the slight of hand and Davis mills hyperbole. I said foles was average. You insinuated he wasn’t by taking one year’s stats as an argument. I gave his career stats which are…… AVERAGE.

And to answer your question, I’d take foles over 6 of those 7 QBs (not Wilson). Congrats, foles is better than the 6 worst projected starting QBs in the NFL. Let him come in and compete. But that doesn’t detract from the original point…..

Nick Foles is an average QB. Love what he did in 2017. Will be forever grateful. But he’s wildly average.
 
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Stop the slight of hand and Davis mills hyperbole. I said foles was average. You insinuated he wasn’t by taking one year’s stats as an argument. I gave his career stats which are…… AVERAGE.

And to answer your question, I’d take foles over 6 of those 7 QBs (not Wilson). Congrats, foles is better than the 6 worst projected starting QBs in the NFL. Let him come in and compete. But that doesn’t detract from the original point…..

Nick Foles is an average QB. Love what he did in 2017. Will be forever grateful. But he’s wildly average.
Ok Chip still trying to justify the Sam Bradford trade
 

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