When one of the leaders of the primary NIL collective for basketball is behaving in such a way that it is detrimental to the program and directly related to losing the head coach...yeah I think it's something worth discussing
2022-23 PSU MBB Thread
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Posts continue getting deleted. I havent even said anything mean. I can though since it’s just going to get deleted anyways.
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Seriously? $4M/year for a HC with 68 games of experience? A record of 37-31 with 24 of those wins this year? What kind of decision is that and what does that actually say about the ND thought process and the situation in MBB at ND. Ok, give the guy a chance I get it, problem here is this is a complete rebuild, the cupboard is pretty bare, 1FR, 2SO the rest are a JR and SR/RS and 5th yr. Is he the man who can turn this program around after losing the guys they have and pretty much starting over. Shrewsberry has got his hands full for the next few years and ND will likely continue to take their lumps in the ACC . It is what it is!
Let me know when someone with intimate knowledge of the negotiations actually posts on here or says anything publicly.
I want PSU to face ND and just effing faceplant them. 90-20. Endless tears. The whole team quits and runs away in shame. I want Micah crawling on his hands and knees to take him back, and flicking him on the nose and telling him to go blank himself.
Can or will anything be done about the BJC? It’s such a soulless cave with zero energy.
Sorry - take very little at face value.
Excellent - thanks for your efforts. Sadly, I don't think crowd-funding is going to be able to compete with businesses associated with top NIL collectives.
So, we're good. Thanks again.
So is the point that Shrewsberry left because a Zoom call, a call that probably shouldn't have happened , went off the tracks? Penn State is developing a habit of hiring thin-skinned coaches if that's the case.
I was also helping with linking the AD to a business owner that wanted to work outside the SWH collective.
Are you honestly saying a call with boosters and people wanting to donate $$$ shouldn't of happened?
A conference call? Yeah, shouldn't happen. People willing to give money get called individually by the person responsible for taking their pledge. When extraneous third-parties are involved you get what some maintain you got.
For football and wrestling, absolutely! For basketball, we surely can't have that.
So you're saying Lubrano, the guy that helps run SWH, is an extraneous 3rd party? OK. That's not what he says.
And if you think any of our sports coaches would skip getting on a Zoom with donors/boosters you are flat out wrong. This is how vision is shared. This is how a message is shared. Would donors rather hear from some random person taking their money? Or would they rather hear directly from the coach?
Lubrano does not "help run SWH." The person who organized the conference call should know that.
If a coach wants to share his "vision" AND raise money from donors in one conference call, then there are two groups: donors on one side and the coach and someone to write down the pledges on the other. Whoever organizes a call like this better have identified donors willing to write checks in advance. So how much money did this little song and dance raise?
Do we need to hire a new basketball coach because a zoom meeting organizer doesn’t know how to mute participants?
Don't laugh too hard otherwise you'll lose your capacity to think, which is apparently limited to begin with..
I believe Nate Bauer reported how much showed up after this call.
Amidst the clamoring cacophony of complaints, the truth is rather clear - to anyone willing to see it:
Micah Shrewsberry tells me why he left Penn State for Notre Dame: Indiana means basketball and home | Jones - pennlive.com
FWIW: PSU drew 7700 fans per game to the BJC last year (lowest in the last 5 years, aside from the COVID year).
Over the last 15 years, the highest annual attendance figures at the BJC (you can look it up) were for Chambers' last 3 years (2017-18, around 8900, 2018-19, around 9200, and 2019-20, around 9200 again)
Micah Shrewsberry tells me why he left Penn State for Notre Dame: Indiana means basketball and home | Jones - pennlive.com
FWIW: PSU drew 7700 fans per game to the BJC last year (lowest in the last 5 years, aside from the COVID year).
Over the last 15 years, the highest annual attendance figures at the BJC (you can look it up) were for Chambers' last 3 years (2017-18, around 8900, 2018-19, around 9200, and 2019-20, around 9200 again)
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All I can say is … The next HC will show the world how serious our university truly is at wanting to build a legitimate basketball program. We’re all smart enough to understand what that means.
HC, staff, budget, facilities & NIL
Anything less than all in, shows no commitment
HC, staff, budget, facilities & NIL
Anything less than all in, shows no commitment
Kraft failed. Perhaps his chances to win were 10%, but he failed. It’s his job.
That said, I’m not too upset. He inherited a mess. Still, you can’t give him a passing grade.
This is a blow to him. How he recovers will have much to do with whether his regime will be a success.
Since I’m an idiot, here are questions:
We saw Neeli and Kraft were at the wrestling national championship while the basketball team was playing in the tourney. Did Micah see basketball ranking behind wrestling at PSU (atypical in the college sports strata), and did this add to any possible frustration he might have felt?
We saw Neeli and Kraft were at the wrestling national championship while the basketball team was playing in the tourney. Did Micah see basketball ranking behind wrestling at PSU (atypical in the college sports strata), and did this add to any possible frustration he might have felt?
Absolutely.
We win, or are expected to win, the natty in wrestling every year. In fact, we had it wrapped up in the morning session. The program is on excellent footing, and one needn't go unnecessarily out of the way to confirm their support.
A literal generational program-defining game for basketball, and they can't be bothered to show up. Even more egregious when the coach is begging for institutional support.
Without knowing the details of the competing offers it's impossible to judge Kraft.
Couldn’t disagree more. I love basketball and do not follow wrestling much but to assert that the president and AD should attend a round of 32 bball game over national championship matches for wrestling is, at best, asinine. I don’t care what the expectations are or the past results have been. Those kids are representing the University as they compete for NATIIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS and they deserve the support of the administration.
The point is wrestling already has the support of the administration. That is not at all in question.
For basketball – your only other revenue-generating sport that historically suffers from a real, not just perceived, lack of administrative support – that is not the case, and you must go above and beyond to demonstrate that both the reality and the perception are changing for the better. At least one of them should've showed up for basketball. Neither did. They failed.
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