2024-2025 WBB Team (2022-present)

[Gamekem]

I think people need to remember that Cardoso is a first time starter at USC and so there will be some growing pains. Unlike last year there is no Boston to get all the attention, now at the top of the scouting report is to make things as difficult as possible for Cardoso inside.

I know a lot people see her size and think everything is easy for her but she gets fouled a lot from the smaller players and nothing gets called. If she shows any decent amount of force to get space she gets called for fouls due to her size. The Maryland game is a perfect example of this. It takes a certain amount of poise to be a dominant big woman that doesn't get in foul trouble.

I imagine with more time she'll learn how to make better use of her body and footwork within these physical double and triple teams. I believe we've only seen Cardoso's floor so far and everyone should be scared when she figures it all out.

 

[adcoop]

I think people need to remember that Cardoso is a first time starter at USC and so there will be some growing pains. Unlike last year there is no Boston to get all the attention, now at the top of the scouting report is to make things as difficult as possible for Cardoso inside.

I know a lot people see her size and think everything is easy for her but she gets fouled a lot from the smaller players and nothing gets called. If she shows any decent amount of force to get space she gets called for fouls due to her size. The Maryland game is a perfect example of this. It takes a certain amount of poise to be a dominant big woman that doesn't get in foul trouble.

I imagine with more time she'll learn how to make better use of her body and footwork within these physical double and triple teams. I believe we've only seen Cardoso's floor so far and everyone should be scared when she figures it all out.

If I would recommend any improvement in Cardoso's game at the moment, it would be on the defensive end. She doesn't need to swing down to get the impressive block. That gets you fouls. Just be big, stay vertical. The blocks will come to you. We may need to play a little more zone to help her against guards seeking her out in pick & roll situations. Otherwise, we will have to be in drop coverage and may be vulnerable to good shooters. She is a big girl, we can't expect her to be able to do everything.

 

[KingWard]

The refs are scared that they will get thrown under the bus like the refs from last year's Championship game because they didn't "let" Caitlin win.

What are you guys talking about. Cardoso is shooting 67% from the field. That's elite for a big. You are not going to make every shot. These players are not some computer generated object that complies to your every wish. Also, women miss more shots around the basket as they are not as strong with the ball as men. Boston missed just as many shots around the basket as Cardoso.

Did

The refs are scared that they will get thrown under the bus like the refs from last year's Championship game because they didn't "let" Caitlin win.

What are you guys talking about. Cardoso is shooting 67% from the field. That's elite for a big. You are not going to make every shot. These players are not some computer generated object that complies to your every wish. Also, women miss more shots around the basket as they are not as strong with the ball as men. Boston missed just as many shots around the basket as Cardoso.

Boston must have camouflaged her misses way better. Cardoso still needs to use the backboard more.

 

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Boston must have camouflaged her misses way better. Cardoso still needs to use the backboard more.

Really? Boston only shot 60% from the field one time and that was in her freshman year. Now, she only took 12 3 pointers in that year so that is probably the reason. In her other years, Boston shot 49%, 54%, and 56% from the field. Now, she averaged around 50 three pointers per year in those years. So, that accounts for the lower percentage, but it doesn't account for a whopping 11-18% difference. Also, has the most famous "bunny" miss in Women's Gamecock history when she smoked the putback against Stanford in the 2021 Final Four. You have railed about the loss to Iowa for a year. We may have been going for a 3 peat if she converts that tip in against Stanford. You may not been playing as close attention. Boston missed a good deal of point blank lay-ups. It happens in the women's game.

 

[KingWard]

Really? Boston only shot 60% from the field one time and that was in her freshman year. Now, she only took 12 3 pointers in that year so that is probably the reason. In her other years, Boston shot 49%, 54%, and 56% from the field. Now, she averaged around 50 three pointers per year in those years. So, that accounts for the lower percentage, but it doesn't account for a whopping 11-18% difference. Also, has the most famous "bunny" miss in Women's Gamecock history when she smoked the putback against Stanford in the 2021 Final Four. You have railed about the loss to Iowa for a year. We may have been going for a 3 peat if she converts that tip in against Stanford. You may not been playing as close attention. Boston missed a good deal of point blank lay-ups. It happens in the women's game.

If it happened, then SHE needed to use the backboard more, and Cardoso should have learned from Boston's mistake.

 

[Prestonyte]

If she would use the backboard more and better, she would make more shots. Where is John Wooden when you need him?

As Wooden used to say, that little square on the backboard is magic.

 

[KingWard]

As Wooden used to say, that little square on the backboard is magic.

They often used the board on pull-up jump shots inside of 15' from angles diagonal to the basket and they were money.

 

[Prestonyte]

They often used the board on pull-up jump shots inside of 15' from angles diagonal to the basket and they were money.

Exactly right.
That's where I learned it as a kid, and it always served me well.

 

[KingWard]

Exactly right.
That's where I learned it as a kid, and it always served me well.

This is a Walton highlight reel, but he was by no means the only Bruin to use the board a lot.

 

[DarkCock]

I wish Sania Feagin could get good enough to play more. She’s trying.

I'm with you. It nearly drove me insane last year that Saxton got so many more minutes than Feagin when every advanced stat favored Feagin.

Saxton leaves and Feagin finally has her chance. Well, every stat now says Kitts and Watkins are better options than Sania. *sigh* Dawn seems to have settled on the pairing of Kitts and Paopao. Kitts can work the middle of the zone very well. She has the option to score, pass to Cardoso in the low post or find the open shooter on the perimeter, preferably Paopao. It's a very good offensive starting lineup. She thens subs them for the combo of Fulwiley and Watkins. Their athleticism is off the charts. There is no drop off in offense and the defense gets even better.

That leaves Feagin in an uncertain place in the rotation. Like you say, she has plays hard and has a great attitude. Last night she played out of position at the 3 due to Tessa being out. She can play any position 3-5. She's a valuable piece to this team, even if she doesn't have a set position in the rotation.

As much as I wish she could play more minutes, I'm completely on board with Dawn playing the players who are playing the best. We see the results when that happens.

 

[Goody]

I'm with you. It nearly drove me insane last year that Saxton got so many more minutes than Feagin when every advanced stat favored Feagin.

Saxton leaves and Feagin finally has her chance. Well, every stat now says Kitts and Watkins are better options than Sania. *sigh* Dawn seems to have settled on the pairing of Kitts and Paopao. Kitts can work the middle of the zone very well. She has the option to score, pass to Cardoso in the low post or find the open shooter on the perimeter, preferably Paopao. It's a very good offensive starting lineup. She thens subs them for the combo of Fulwiley and Watkins. Their athleticism is off the charts. There is no drop off in offense and the defense gets even better.

That leaves Feagin in an uncertain place in the rotation. Like you say, she has plays hard and has a great attitude. Last night she played out of position at the 3 due to Tessa being out. She can play any position 3-5. She's a valuable piece to this team, even if she doesn't have a set position in the rotation.

As much as I wish she could play more minutes, I'm completely on board with Dawn playing the players who are playing the best. We see the results when that happens.

Ouch!!!!

 

[ConwayGamecock]

I don't have an issue with Cardoso's game thus far. Last season in her final year as a Gamecock, Aliyah averaged 13.0 ppg in 26 mpg shooting .559 from the field, with 9.8 rpg and 2.0 bpg. She had a lot of help, including Cardoso who was 3rd on the team in scoring, 2nd in rebounding, had only 3 fewer blocks than Aliyah had and shot the same .559 that Aliyah shot.

This season, Kamilla is averaging 15.7 ppg which is tied with a very special freshman for the team lead in 24 mpg, shooting .667 and averaging 11.7 rpg as well as 3.0 bpg. Sure, its only been 3 games thus far, but 2 of them were against top 25 ranked opponents, and all 3 were against P5 opponents. Not to mention the exhibition against another P5 opponent in Rutgers where Kamilla scored 17 pts in 18 minutes.

There will be games later this season where Kamilla will go up against very talented bigs who will oppose her well, but then there are also more games in the future that will be lesser opponents compared to who she's already played against. This team this season is shaping up to be a more offensively dynamic and balanced team, where many players get lots of minutes and lots of offensive opportunities, and they execute on them. Thus far Bree Hall is the ONLY player on the roster who is shooting under 42% from the field through 3 games - think about that!

Its not going to be a team that will rely heavily on Kamilla as past teams did on Aliyah. But if Kam continues to play as she's done so far, I will have no issues with that....

 

[adcoop]

If it happened, then SHE needed to use the backboard more, and Cardoso should have learned from Boston's mistake.

She's using the backboard King. Otherwise, she wouldn't be 20 of 30 from the field. We have to remember sometimes that these are women and they can't power through the contact and get it to the backboard like the men can. However, Cardoso is doing a heckuva job so far this season and appears to be on her way to be an All-American season if she continues to play like this. A fair criticism over the past couple of years is that she would allow bigs to push her under the backboard, and, therefore, not have an angle to get off the backboard. That hasn't been the case this year. She has been sealing her defender very well this year. Getting good inside position and putting it off the board. I only responded because sometimes we tend to put our male standards on these ladies and don't understand why they can't do what would come naturally to us. Every female big in the country misses their fair share of lay-ups including Cameron Brink or Aaliyah Edwards. Our best big finisher was A'ja. Even she missed her fair share of finishes around the bucket. She was stronger with the ball than Boston or Cardoso despite being a little smaller, but you are only talking about the best female basketball player in the world right now.

 

[winloseortie]

Angel Reese on the bench to start the LSU game

 

[KingWard]

Angel Reese on the bench to start the LSU game

Angel Reese not even there according to this:

https://www.espn.com/womens-college...gel-reese-not-lsu-game-southeastern-louisiana

The question would be whose idea this was. These days, you can't always be sure.

 

[USCEDGE]

I have to be honest…Ive never been impressed with Kardoso. She doesn’t have that soft touch under the basket, she’s slow, and she gets points based on her size. Not being mean, but she’s very underwhelming.

I have never understood the criticisms of Cardoso (with a "C"). She has excelled at every level she has played at. Playing for Brazil, she led her team to the gold medal in the 2022 South American championship while winning MVP. At the 2023 FIBO AmeriCup she led Brazil to a 7-0 record and beat the USA in the gold medal game while again taking MVP honors. In high school she had a 5-star rating and was the #5 ranked player in her class according to ESPN. She was freshman of the year in the ACC and co-defensive POY. Last year she was named the SEC Sixth Woman of the Year and second-team All-SEC. How can anyone say that she is slow? She is certainly not as fast as our guards but is always hustling downcourt and getting the most that she can out of those long legs. Underwhelming? I don't see it. Perhaps all of those choosing to criticize should look at the stats a bit more closely.

 

[DarkCock]

I have never understood the criticisms of Cardoso (with a "C"). She has excelled at every level she has played at. Playing for Brazil, she led her team to the gold medal in the 2022 South American championship while winning MVP. At the 2023 FIBO AmeriCup she led Brazil to a 7-0 record and beat the USA in the gold medal game while again taking MVP honors. In high school she had a 5-star rating and was the #5 ranked player in her class according to ESPN. She was freshman of the year in the ACC and co-defensive POY. Last year she was named the SEC Sixth Woman of the Year and second-team All-SEC. How can anyone say that she is slow? She is certainly not as fast as our guards but is always hustling downcourt and getting the most that she can out of those long legs. Underwhelming? I don't see it. Perhaps all of those choosing to criticize should look at the stats a bit more closely.

All good points. I wouldn't say there is a lot of criticism of Cardoso. Just one poster and King Ward, who complains about everything.

She's currently #4 in ESPN's mock draft. That's assuming Clark and Bueckers go pro. Not a given.

WNBA mock draft: Which players come after Caitlin Clark at No. 1?

A lot might change before April. But for now, Caitlin Clark remains the lock at No. 1, and there's a new lottery pick in ESPN's updated mock draft.

www.espn.com

I really don't know what her ceiling is because I do feel she has room to get better. That's not a slight on her, but a recognition of her awesome potential.

 

[winloseortie]

Angel Reese not even there according to this:

https://www.espn.com/womens-college...gel-reese-not-lsu-game-southeastern-louisiana

The question would be whose idea this was. These days, you can't always be sure.

Bingo! Whose idea, Kim or Angel?

Angel quitting in a huff or Kim finally trying a little discipline?

I see no bend in either one of them. Kim is going to have to figure out how to allow Angel to “repent” AND save face.

Frankly I don’t see Angel returning to play this year. Williams is a far superior player to Reese. As far as Mulkey would be concerned, they still have enough talent to make a final, the position pieces would fit better and a whole less drama.

 

[DarkCock]

Check out Caitlin Clark's numbers. She averages 23 shots to score 30 points. 78% from the free throw line!

I assume the free throw percentage is a reflection of being tired from having to carry the team on her back. How bad of a recruiter is Iowa's coach that she has Clark fall into her lap and in her senior season Clark has almost no help?

 

[The Coast is Clear]

Mission accomplished!

Other goals to shoot for:
Most Games With At Least 100 Points
15—Long Beach St., 1987
Consecutive Games With At Least 100 Points
6—Louisiana Tech, 1982

And who played on the 1982 La. Tech team? Our fav - Kim Mulkey!

 

[winloseortie]

Check out Caitlin Clark's numbers. She averages 23 shots to score 30 points. 78% from the free throw line!
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I assume the free throw percentage is a reflection of being tired from having to carry the team on her back. How bad of a recruiter is Iowa's coach that she has Clark fall into her lap and in her senior season Clark has almost no help?

Bluder just signed a top 10 recruiting class, no 5 stars but 4 top players. Might give Clark pause to come back.

HVL and Morrow’s numbers are down significantly. Not just scoring and rebounds but shooting % HVL barely shooting 25% from 3

 

[DarkCock]

Bingo! Whose idea, Kim or Angel?

Angel quitting in a huff or Kim finally trying a little discipline?

I see no bend in either one of them. Kim is going to have to figure out how to allow Angel to “repent” AND save face.

Frankly I don’t see Angel returning to play this year. Williams is a far superior player to Reese. As far as Mulkey would be concerned, they still have enough talent to make a final, the position pieces would fit better and a whole less drama.

I agree that Mulkey has made the calculation that Angel needs LSU more than LSU needs Angel. The NIL money will dry up if she's not playing. She can't transfer without sitting out. We all know that's she no sure thing as a WNBA prospect, and that's on her game alone without any bringing in the question of her character.

LSU would, of course, be a better team this season with Reese, IF she was willing to be a team player. However, I think playing Morrow at the 4 and sacrificing the rebounding might be route Mulkey is willing to go. She only likes to play 6 to 7 players anyway. She could assume the underdog role and take some of the pressure off the team.

The only drawback is it might hurt Mulkey down the road in recruiting. She's already taken some heat for not supporting Brittany Greiner. But if she wins, there will be enough good players who don't care that she'll be ever able to field top ten teams.

 

[Gamekem]

Check out Caitlin Clark's numbers. She averages 23 shots to score 30 points. 78% from the free throw line!
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I assume the free throw percentage is a reflection of being tired from having to carry the team on her back. How bad of a recruiter is Iowa's coach that she has Clark fall into her lap and in her senior season Clark has almost no help?

Clark gets a lot calls that go her way. She initiates contact a lot and flops a lot and rarely ever gets called for it. I personally think she uses a lot unnecessary energy trying to get a call with every drive that those awkward falls could be hurting her FT%.

Iowa's recruiting this off-season is partly due to Iowa's unwillingness to drop anyone which I respect. They only had one opening for a transfer portal pickup but they never filled it. I also believe players aren't a fan of that style of play that gives Clark so much of a green light. The fact that no top transfers even considered teaming up with Clark despite the attention and aduration she receives is very telling.

 

[winloseortie]

Check out Caitlin Clark's numbers. She averages 23 shots to score 30 points. 78% from the free throw line!
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I assume the free throw percentage is a reflection of being tired from having to carry the team on her back. How bad of a recruiter is Iowa's coach that she has Clark fall into her lap and in her senior season Clark has almost no help?

I agree that Mulkey has made the calculation that Angel needs LSU more than LSU needs Angel. The NIL money will dry up if she's not playing. She can't transfer without sitting out. We all know that's she no sure thing as a WNBA prospect, and that's on her game alone without any bringing in the question of her character.

LSU would, of course, be a better team this season with Reese, IF she was willing to be a team player. However, I think playing Morrow at the 4 and sacrificing the rebounding might be route Mulkey is willing to go. She only likes to play 6 to 7 players anyway. She could assume the underdog role and take some of the pressure off the team.

The only drawback is it might hurt Mulkey down the road in recruiting. She's already taken some heat for not supporting Brittany Greiner. But if she wins, there will be enough good players who don't care that she'll be ever able to field top ten teams.

I don’t think Reese can let herself be anything but the main attraction. She didn’t sacrifice for the team at Maryland or last season. It will take huge humility just to get back in with Kim, and then what? How long before she chafes and goes off again?

 

[Gamekem]

As for LSU I doubt she is benched for long. Angel has become the face of LSU basketball the damage in recruiting and the negative publicity will only grow the longer she's out. LSU should be thankful that the next signing period isn't until April so they might have enough time to massage their image before then.

The other issue is the on court issue. So far Morrow hasn't fit in on this roster. Yesterday was her time to prove that she could fill in for Angel and just like the Colorado game she was an awful 4-18 from the field. This is was also only her first double digit rebounding game too, which isn't great considering who've they've been playing. Especially with Virginia and Virginia Tech coming up next week, I'm sure Mulkey doesn't want to drop another power 5 game. If that happens things will get really nasty if they lose again without Angel and the drama surrounding it.

 

[DarkCock]

As for LSU I doubt she is benched for long. Angel has become the face of LSU basketball the damage in recruiting and the negative publicity will only grow the longer she's out. LSU should be thankful that the next signing period isn't until April so they might have enough time to massage their image before then.

The other issue is the on court issue. So far Morrow hasn't fit in on this roster. Yesterday was her time to prove that she could fill in for Angel and just like the Colorado game she was an awful 4-18 from the field. This is was also only her first double digit rebounding game too, which isn't great considering who've they've been playing. Especially with Virginia and Virginia Tech coming up next week, I'm sure Mulkey doesn't want to drop another power 5 game. If that happens things will get really nasty if they lose again without Angel and the drama surrounding it.

Hard to believe it was just Wednesday that we were on pins and needles whether Joyce might choose LSU or Clemson over us. Since then we crushed Clemson by 67 and LSU drama escalated. Wise decision on Joyce's part.

Reese at one time suggested that she would come back next season. This tweet almost reads like she's warning Edwards and Strong since they play the same position, but her ego is big enough that she probably thinks they would gladly play behind her.

 

[winloseortie]

As for LSU I doubt she is benched for long. Angel has become the face of LSU basketball the damage in recruiting and the negative publicity will only grow the longer she's out. LSU should be thankful that the next signing period isn't until April so they might have enough time to massage their image before then.

The other issue is the on court issue. So far Morrow hasn't fit in on this roster. Yesterday was her time to prove that she could fill in for Angel and just like the Colorado game she was an awful 4-18 from the field. This is was also only her first double digit rebounding game too, which isn't great considering who've they've been playing. Especially with Virginia and Virginia Tech coming up next week, I'm sure Mulkey doesn't want to drop another power 5 game. If that happens things will get really nasty if they lose again without Angel and the drama surrounding it.

Totally agree on Morrow, she is fool’s gold at a P5 top 25 school.

As to Angel, she may think she is the face of the program BUT Kim KNOWS she is the face of the program. One of them is going to have to give in…. And it won’t be Kim

 

[DarkCock]

Oh snap

 

[winloseortie]

Oh snap

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DAYUM!!!!

 

[Goody]

I agree that Mulkey has made the calculation that Angel needs LSU more than LSU needs Angel. The NIL money will dry up if she's not playing. She can't transfer without sitting out. We all know that's she no sure thing as a WNBA prospect, and that's on her game alone without any bringing in the question of her character.

LSU would, of course, be a better team this season with Reese, IF she was willing to be a team player. However, I think playing Morrow at the 4 and sacrificing the rebounding might be route Mulkey is willing to go. She only likes to play 6 to 7 players anyway. She could assume the underdog role and take some of the pressure off the team.

The only drawback is it might hurt Mulkey down the road in recruiting. She's already taken some heat for not supporting Brittany Greiner. But if she wins, there will be enough good players who don't care that she'll be ever able to field top ten teams.

Well deserved!!!!

 

[Gamekem]

Looks like Oregon basketball really fell off. 50-89 to Santa Clara.

 

[Prestonyte]

Dime store queen definitely not handling LSU slow start and losing recruits very well.
She's a little more off than she normally is.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[KingWard]

Bingo! Whose idea, Kim or Angel?

Angel quitting in a huff or Kim finally trying a little discipline?

I see no bend in either one of them. Kim is going to have to figure out how to allow Angel to “repent” AND save face.

Frankly I don’t see Angel returning to play this year. Williams is a far superior player to Reese. As far as Mulkey would be concerned, they still have enough talent to make a final, the position pieces would fit better and a whole less drama.

That would be golden, her being gone, I mean. I'd be happy with the disruption of expectations.

 

[Evilchicken]

All good points. I wouldn't say there is a lot of criticism of Cardoso. Just one poster and King Ward, who complains about everything.

She's currently #4 in ESPN's mock draft. That's assuming Clark and Bueckers go pro. Not a given.

WNBA mock draft: Which players come after Caitlin Clark at No. 1?

A lot might change before April. But for now, Caitlin Clark remains the lock at No. 1, and there's a new lottery pick in ESPN's updated mock draft.

www.espn.com

I really don't know what her ceiling is because I do feel she has room to get better. That's not a slight on her, but a recognition of her awesome potential.

Are you watching the games, or are you blind? Cardoso lacks a soft touch under the basket, and honestly, she should be scoring more given her gigantism. How many shots have we seen where she flubs it within 1 foot of the basket? Lots. My point is, I don’t understand the hype. She’s completely underwhelming. Prove me wrong

 

[winloseortie]

Are you watching the games, or are you blind? Cardoso lacks a soft touch under the basket, and honestly, she should be scoring more given her gigantism. How many shots have we seen where she flubs it within 1 foot of the basket? Lots. My point is, I don’t understand the hype. She’s completely underwhelming. Prove me wrong

So angry to dump on Cardoso, I won’t bother trying to prove you wrong, because There is no proving you wrong. You don’t believe in Cardoso’s stats, you don’t believe the most knowledgeable assessors of talent in college or Pro WBB. You don’t believe her own coach. You don’t believe our opponent’s coaches who build their game plan around stopping Cardoso. Quite frankly it appears you are the one who is either not watching the games or is blind to assessing talent

 

[Whiterockcock69]

Are you watching the games, or are you blind? Cardoso lacks a soft touch under the basket, and honestly, she should be scoring more given her gigantism. How many shots have we seen where she flubs it within 1 foot of the basket? Lots. My point is, I don’t understand the hype. She’s completely underwhelming. Prove me wrong

Respectfully disagree. She’s hit plenty of buckets off the good assists from Raven and others. I have been very impressed with her play. She’s big time actually. Watch.

 

[PFUNK Cock]

Are you watching the games, or are you blind? Cardoso lacks a soft touch under the basket, and honestly, she should be scoring more given her gigantism. How many shots have we seen where she flubs it within 1 foot of the basket? Lots. My point is, I don’t understand the hype. She’s completely underwhelming. Prove me wrong

Have you ever tried to shoot with smaller players taking out your lower body because they can’t compete fairly they just undercut her constantly. She has no freedom of movement and referees seem oblivious to those actions because of her size.

 

[USCEDGE]

Are you watching the games, or are you blind? Cardoso lacks a soft touch under the basket, and honestly, she should be scoring more given her gigantism. How many shots have we seen where she flubs it within 1 foot of the basket? Lots. My point is, I don’t understand the hype. She’s completely underwhelming. Prove me wrong

Why do you insist on continuing with your inaccurate portrayal of one of the best players in college basketball. I previously posted stats which already proved you wrong. How about a few more? Cardoso is currently ranked 31st overall in FG percentage and 10th amongst centers at 66.7%. She attempts 10 shots per game which means she only misses 3.3 shots per game. And you think that's "lots?" How do you feel about Caitlin Clark? Does she have a "soft touch?" If you think Cardoso is underwhelming then what do you think of the reigning POY's 41.9 FG percentage and all the hype she receives?

 

[KingWard]

All good points. I wouldn't say there is a lot of criticism of Cardoso. Just one poster and King Ward, who complains about everything.

Hey, popular opinion has lots of friends, contrarian views need someone to comfort them. In that regard, I am, and will continue to be, the soul of compassion.

 

[CockyGirl]

Looks like Oregon basketball really fell off. 50-89 to Santa Clara.

Wow!!! I was already wondering if Chance Gray would stick around if they had another mediocre year. I know it’s way to early for that kind of speculation but I would love to have her!!!