This playoff “run” has done further damage to the brand.
All eyes were on PSU last night. Could Franklin finally win a big game with similar talent? They saw what with their own eyes what had been a National story for years.
A resounding NO (SOS)!
Are you done with Franklin?
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All eyes were on PSU last night. Could Franklin finally win a big game with similar talent? They saw what with their own eyes what had been a National story for years.
A resounding NO (SOS)!
America was founded on change. Departure from the world’s largest and most successful empire ever.
Know your subject.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
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Are you implying that big wins over mighty SMU and Boise have earned the respect of College football?
If yes, you should take your own advice.
Everyone is laughing at Penn State - and Franklin in particular
So tired of the NIL argument when there clearly are systemic that continue to go on year after year regardless of coordinators. If NIL was such a big deal, then Texas A&M would have had a dozen championships by now.
Next thing youll soup asking me, a retired construction guy, to find franklins replacement lol
Wow so you are being laughed at? else what's your point and who cares?? taking it personal are ya?
Sounds to me you need some counseling if you think your "self worth" depends on how PSU wins or loses their football games..........newsflash its a football game nothing more and one you didn't participate in on the field in ANY CAPACITY, so you personally didn't lay it on the line .....just to set the baseline
you can be tired of it --- but you aren't dealing with it either--- so not sure what your point is other than you are not the coach but have no problem saying he should lose his job because you can do so much better?
more cognitive dissonance
Question.....if you took this poll 5 years ago, 2020, knowing we would make it to the Natty semis in 2025....how would you vote?
Im frustrated with the loss, but this was a really good season for us. We were damn close but we were going to pay for having a poor WR core at some point, and it cost us last night.
I’ve been plenty critical of JF in the past but I would like to see him stay. He is a good ambassador for the program, connects with players, and while I’m as frustrated as everyone else at our inability to win a big one, I do feel that we are trending positively and certainly better off than we have been in the past. We are close. I’m just not sure who we get that is better.
I blame Allar, AK, and the WR coach for last nights loss. I’m not sure why you let Drew throw the ball on that last drive. I’d go run, run, run to use up their TOs and live to see overtime. You just don’t risk it that deep in your own territory when Allar had shown you nothing all game. Just a terrible call by AK.
The WR coach needs to go, like, today. Do whatever it takes to bring in a big name. We are spending $700m on a stadium - spend the GD money to fix our outside weapons.
I’ve been plenty critical of JF in the past but I would like to see him stay. He is a good ambassador for the program, connects with players, and while I’m as frustrated as everyone else at our inability to win a big one, I do feel that we are trending positively and certainly better off than we have been in the past. We are close. I’m just not sure who we get that is better.
I blame Allar, AK, and the WR coach for last nights loss. I’m not sure why you let Drew throw the ball on that last drive. I’d go run, run, run to use up their TOs and live to see overtime. You just don’t risk it that deep in your own territory when Allar had shown you nothing all game. Just a terrible call by AK.
The WR coach needs to go, like, today. Do whatever it takes to bring in a big name. We are spending $700m on a stadium - spend the GD money to fix our outside weapons.
Penn State was definitely not founded on change.
I voted “no”, though I certainly have my doubts about whether or not Franklin can ever get us over the hump. I do think the staff did a hell of a job getting the team as far as they did this season with all the injuries and no WRs.
Well said, ro. Franklin is making too much $ to walk away and PSU can’t afford to buy him out. They’re stuck together.
Below is a list of the top 15 AD by revenue - from May 2024. PSU is behind BIG co-horts Ohio State (by $70MM) and Michigan (by $39MM) OSU fields 33 teams Michigan fields 29 teams. PSU has 31 teams. Relative to the two other BIG ADs, it has to field approximatley as many teams with between $39M and $70MM less revenue.
Texas as 21 teams
Albama has 21 teams
Georgia has 21 teams
LSU has 21 teams
aTm has 20 teams
Florida has 19 teams
Oklahoma has 19
Auburn has 21
Michigan State has 23 teams
Indiana has 24 teams
Virginia has 27
Florida State has 18
So, not sure if "bloated" is the correct term. PSU fields as many teams as the two biggest ADs in the conference. And gets no assistance from a University allocation (like some schools do).
Rank School Conf Total Revenue Total Expense Allocation % allocated
Regarding the 10 year trend - PSU (all under Franklin) has the 8th most number of wins (P4). during the time he has been here (so actually 11 seasons). Since 2021 (when NIL became "legal"), PSU has the 7th most wins.
Below is a list of the top 15 AD by revenue - from May 2024. PSU is behind BIG co-horts Ohio State (by $70MM) and Michigan (by $39MM) OSU fields 33 teams Michigan fields 29 teams. PSU has 31 teams. Relative to the two other BIG ADs, it has to field approximatley as many teams with between $39M and $70MM less revenue.
Texas as 21 teams
Albama has 21 teams
Georgia has 21 teams
LSU has 21 teams
aTm has 20 teams
Florida has 19 teams
Oklahoma has 19
Auburn has 21
Michigan State has 23 teams
Indiana has 24 teams
Virginia has 27
Florida State has 18
So, not sure if "bloated" is the correct term. PSU fields as many teams as the two biggest ADs in the conference. And gets no assistance from a University allocation (like some schools do).
Rank School Conf Total Revenue Total Expense Allocation % allocated
| 1 | Ohio State | Big 10 | $251,615,345 | $225,733,418 | $0* | 0.00% |
| 2 | Texas | Big 12 | $239,290,648 | $225,153,011 | $0* | 0.00% |
| 3 | Alabama | SEC | $214,365,357 | $195,881,911 | $11,378,871* | 5.31% |
| 4 | Michigan | Big 10 | $210,652,287 | $193,559,375 | $153,059* | 0.07% |
| 5 | Georgia | SEC | $203,048,566 | $169,026,503 | $3,530,802* | 1.74% |
| 6 | LSU | SEC | $199,309,382 | $192,770,399 | $0* | 0.00% |
| 7 | Texas A&M | SEC | $193,139,619 | $177,671,900 | $0 | 0.00% |
| 8 | Florida | SEC | $190,417,139 | $174,365,070 | $2,706,111* | 1.42% |
| 9 | Penn State | Big 10 | $181,227,448 | $170,542,050 | $0 | 0.00% |
| 10 | Oklahoma | Big 12 | $177,320,217 | $175,997,457 | $0* | 0.00% |
| 11 | Auburn | SEC | $174,568,442 | $151,590,763 | $15,561,411* | 8.91% |
| 12 | Michigan State | Big 10 | $172,799,513 | $156,449,795 | $1,358,948* | 0.79% |
| 13 | Indiana | Big 10 | $166,761,471 | $132,392,596 | $2,708,975 | 1.62% |
| 14 | Virginia | ACC | $161,916,231 | $150,584,173 | $24,468,843 | 15.11% |
| 15 | Florida State | ACC | $161,141,884 | $150,777,734 | $22,289,212 | 13.83% |
Regarding the 10 year trend - PSU (all under Franklin) has the 8th most number of wins (P4). during the time he has been here (so actually 11 seasons). Since 2021 (when NIL became "legal"), PSU has the 7th most wins.
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Penn State more talented, on paper, than ND. Outside of maybe Leonard and a WR, what other starters would you trade for one of theirs?
I’m just tiptoeing back in here after last night’s loss. I’ve read a few sentiments about canning the WR coach. I don’t disagree with that, but is the same being said about the QB coach? Allar has seemingly very correctable issues that seemed to get worse as the season went on.
Maybe trade our #1 safety for their All American safety. Maybe our RT for their RT. And Love may be a little better than our RBs....all very close.
What I always come back to when this subject comes up -- the cautionary tale of Nebraska. They thought they deserved better and dumped Solich and then doubled down and dumped Pellini and look what they became. Maybe you get lucky and you pull a Georgia and go from a Richt to a Smart but I have little confidence in the decisionmakers to be able to find that gem if it ever came to that. I'm not happy at all about the constant losing in the big spots. It's a tired narrative that allows the rest of the nation to continue to laugh at us. But at the beginning of the season, I thought the goal should be to make the Playoff and win at least one game in it. So now that bar has been set. The goal going forward has to be conference championship first and then national championship appearance as 1A. You have to build that mindset as soon as you get back to State College. You have to recruit for that goal, you have to comb the portal for that goal, you have to hire coaches for that goal, and you have to practice and play with that goal in mind.
Getting $30 million a year in NIL money would help. Unfortunately, that isn’t happening
Totally agree.
The other aspect of this.....what coach is out there at the level that you can absolutely guarantee will take PSU over the hump?
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Huh? Watts didn’t do much. His most remembered moment from the game will be getting trucked by Warren. Their RT got his azz handed to him all night by an injured Carter. Rucci has been very good since Donkoh went down. Love is probably equal to PSU two headed monster.
Last night isn't on Franklin outside of his failure to locate or develop someone who can play WR. Full stop.
I was all in with Franklin until the week after the OSU loss when he said Sean gets to go out on his terms rather than to start to get Drew ready. I've been out ever since. That's not to say Drew is better than Sean, it's to say that it doesn't appear that Franklin has a plan to get better in the long run, he just tries to go 1-0 and when that doesn't happen, he says "well we have to get ready for ____ next week." . My concern with him going forward is that Franklin, the locker room, and coaching staff have to be feeling this. It's got to be so deep in their brains that they expect NOT to win these games; the second something goes wrong "well, here we go" feeling must hit like a tidal wave. It has to be impacting practice and pre- and post game decisions. You can only take so much loss before you throw your hands up and say, "maybe next year will be better, who wants to go get some lunch?" As always, that was the problem with Joe near the end years. Everything got excused for the short-term and then we hit the iceberg.
I was all in with Franklin until the week after the OSU loss when he said Sean gets to go out on his terms rather than to start to get Drew ready. I've been out ever since. That's not to say Drew is better than Sean, it's to say that it doesn't appear that Franklin has a plan to get better in the long run, he just tries to go 1-0 and when that doesn't happen, he says "well we have to get ready for ____ next week." . My concern with him going forward is that Franklin, the locker room, and coaching staff have to be feeling this. It's got to be so deep in their brains that they expect NOT to win these games; the second something goes wrong "well, here we go" feeling must hit like a tidal wave. It has to be impacting practice and pre- and post game decisions. You can only take so much loss before you throw your hands up and say, "maybe next year will be better, who wants to go get some lunch?" As always, that was the problem with Joe near the end years. Everything got excused for the short-term and then we hit the iceberg.
And yet, they battled back from losing the lead and a tie game, then falling behind to score 14 straight, to take the lead back. This team battled back at USC, Minnesota, Oregon, and last night. I don’t think this team lacks character or resolve.
That all ultimately falls on the coach though. Mistakes, lack of WR success/development, screw ups…… it’s ultimately the coach’s responsibility.
To often when someone posts disappointment in CJF others are quick t
Yes QB development has been a problem...maybe because CJF doesn't have a TRUE QB coach on staff....just a young man ANALYST/quarterbacks Danny O'Brien.
I don't disagree. What I am saying is that had PSU simply made a couple of plays and won the game - regulation or overtime- the spotlight comes off the mistakes because of a victory. And therefore this thread would not exist.
Yeah, I agree.
It was a tough loss. Two equally talented team played a hard fought game and one team lost. Sucks that it was Penn State, but what can you do? I’m just hoping they can improve the WR room and get Allar confident enough to keep his feet still and trust himself.
Bargaining is step three in the stages of grief. Two more to go and you will get to where many of us are.