Are you done with Franklin?

Are you done with Franklin?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 14.6%
  • No

    Votes: 111 85.4%

  • Total voters
    130
  • Poll closed .
Jun 24, 2024
190
216
43
What if Penn State brought in a General Manager to oversee operations and help Franklin?

Stanford did that with Andrew Luck. TBD how it plays out, but you have to strive to improve. Show the players and alums that you get it and have a plan.
PSU has a GM....Andy Frank....and Pat Kraft as Athletic Director....and about 60 other support personnel
 

laKavosiey-st lion

Well-known member
Oct 30, 2021
9,098
6,445
113
This thread would not exist if a couple of plays would have gone the way of PSU and PSU would have won. Then all the mistakes, lack of WR success and other screw ups would have been ignored.
If you really enjoy the games (like I do) those things never go “unnoticed”
 

laKavosiey-st lion

Well-known member
Oct 30, 2021
9,098
6,445
113
They don't go un noticed....but they don't recieve the spotlight they get after a loss.
From some I suppose. Birds are 14-3 and 6 pt favs Sunday, wanna hear where they’re vulnerable? Cause I know. Cause I watch the games.
 

Corner Room Breakfast

Well-known member
Oct 27, 2021
1,234
1,650
113
Franklin is good for PSU, he represents well, a good recruiter, but i see, as a fan two flaws.

First, the cockiness and aggressiveness of Freeman was contagious to his team. You can see it with Al Golden, who probably won't be
there much longer. James need to get aggressive without being careless risky, or too cautious, if that makes sense.

Second, please don't say there is a quarterback battle for the starting job, hasn't been one since Blackledge and Hostetler.

I don't know how good Beau was behind the scenes, he looked great against Wisconsin, but probably was better than the 4-5 plays, he usually got.
The qb's over the last few decades think they are unbenchable , they are not. Basically, sit down, calm down and get your head
into the game. This process goes all the way back to Joe.
The starting qb doesn't need stats. When Beau portaled it kind of hurt the team , Grunk didn't play one down until SMU, inexcusable.
 
  • Love
Reactions: ChandlerPearce58
Jun 24, 2024
190
216
43
Total redo in the WR room is needed. We need to recruit much better there. It has been incredibly weak the last few years and is costing us in the biggest games.
So often I hear how our recruiting is bad and there is no development....did ND have a bunch of 5 star receivers? How about SMU, Minnesota, Boise, Oregon? Not a single WR reception for a team with a NFL wr coach as their Head Coach.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: MacNit
Jun 24, 2024
190
216
43
Franklin is good for PSU, he represents well, a good recruiter, but i see, as a fan two flaws.

First, the cockiness and aggressiveness of Freeman was contagious to his team. You can see it with Al Golden, who probably won't be
there much longer. James need to get aggressive without being careless risky, or too cautious, if that makes sense.

Second, please don't say there is a quarterback battle for the starting job, hasn't been one since Blackledge and Hostetler.

I don't know how good Beau was behind the scenes, he looked great against Wisconsin, but probably was better than the 4-5 plays, he usually got.
The qb's over the last few decades think they are unbenchable , they are not. Basically, sit down, calm down and get your head
into the game. This process goes all the way back to Joe.
The starting qb doesn't need stats. When Beau portaled it kind of hurt the team , Grunk didn't play one down until SMU, inexcusable.
Teams will develop the personality of the coach.
 

MacNit

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,336
1,278
113
I’m implying you are a fool. It’s that simple.
Imply all you want. A fool is someone who does the same thing over and over again and expects a different result.

Am I the one who wants to trot out the same Franklin show and expect a different result? Or is that you?
 
  • Like
Reactions: ChandlerPearce58

Alphalion75

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2021
2,935
3,155
113
Huh? Watts didn’t do much. His most remembered moment from the game will be getting trucked by Warren. Their RT got his azz handed to him all night by an injured Carter. Rucci has been very good since Donkoh went down. Love is probably equal to PSU two headed monster.
Fair enough. However, I don't believe the difference in talent between the two teams is vastly different.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kgilbert78 and LB99

MacNit

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,336
1,278
113
So tired of the NIL argument when there clearly are systemic that continue to go on year after year regardless of coordinators. If NIL was such a big deal, then Texas A&M would have had a dozen championships by now.
Franklin was netting these same results before NIL.
Wow so you are being laughed at? else what's your point and who cares?? taking it personal are ya?

Sounds to me you need some counseling if you think your "self worth" depends on how PSU wins or loses their football games..........newsflash its a football game nothing more and one you didn't participate in on the field in ANY CAPACITY, so you personally didn't lay it on the line .....just to set the baseline
Trouble reading? I said PSU and Franklin.
 

MacNit

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,336
1,278
113
Penn State was definitely not founded on change.
I voted “no”, though I certainly have my doubts about whether or not Franklin can ever get us over the hump. I do think the staff did a hell of a job getting the team as far as they did this season with all the injuries and no WRs.
The staff was handed an easy schedule and did not beat a single team we were underdog. Again. Best win = Illinois.

meh
 
  • Like
Reactions: laKavosiey-st lion

MacNit

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,336
1,278
113
I’m just tiptoeing back in here after last night’s loss. I’ve read a few sentiments about canning the WR coach. I don’t disagree with that, but is the same being said about the QB coach? Allar has seemingly very correctable issues that seemed to get worse as the season went on.
Why pick on the little guys…how many coaches have rotated threw these positions under Franklin? Who owns the hiring responsibility?
 
Last edited:

MacNit

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,336
1,278
113
What I always come back to when this subject comes up -- the cautionary tale of Nebraska. They thought they deserved better and dumped Solich and then doubled down and dumped Pellini and look what they became. Maybe you get lucky and you pull a Georgia and go from a Richt to a Smart but I have little confidence in the decisionmakers to be able to find that gem if it ever came to that. I'm not happy at all about the constant losing in the big spots. It's a tired narrative that allows the rest of the nation to continue to laugh at us. But at the beginning of the season, I thought the goal should be to make the Playoff and win at least one game in it. So now that bar has been set. The goal going forward has to be conference championship first and then national championship appearance as 1A. You have to build that mindset as soon as you get back to State College. You have to recruit for that goal, you have to comb the portal for that goal, you have to hire coaches for that goal, and you have to practice and play with that goal in mind.
The goal has been in place for a while.

We were gifted an easy run. If still 4, we are outside looking in again.

Beating Illinois as your signature win is not progress.
 

MacNit

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,336
1,278
113
Penn State in the final four, Franklin not in the top 10 of highest paid college coaches. He deserves a raise and an extension!!!
Base upon his record (what it is not what we want it to be with all the excuses) he should have been fired the evening of the Indiana debacle a few years ago.

A virtual short course lesson in how bad Franklin is as a coach.
 

MacNit

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,336
1,278
113
This thread would not exist if a couple of plays would have gone the way of PSU and PSU would have won. Then all the mistakes, lack of WR success and other screw ups would have been ignored.
You can make that statement on a handfuls Franklin debacles.

Any go our way? One in 11 seasons? Oh two you say?

Pathetic.

Marcus Freeman has as many in the last 10 days. Many here would say you can’t hire him as he might not be Ara P.
 

NoSoup4U

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2021
370
561
93
Franklin was netting these same results before NIL.

Trouble reading? I said PSU and Franklin.
Nope---- what's it to you? you are neither of them ...both must be glad you are concerned for them and their image and got their back ....... until you stab it.... Et Tu Brute?

Pick another team dip$hit... pretty simple don't let the door hit you on the way out
 
  • Like
Reactions: LB99

psuro

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
8,052
17,516
113
You can make that statement on a handfuls Franklin debacles.

Any go our way? One in 11 seasons? Oh two you say?

Pathetic.

Marcus Freeman has as many in the last 10 days. Many here would say you can’t hire him as he might not be Ara P.
Well, we can start with USC and Minnesota this year.
As much as it pains me to say....Appalachain State in whatever year we played them.
Ohio State in 2016 - so that is obvious.
Michigan in 2019.
The beginning and end of the 2014 season - game winning kicks against UCF and Boston College. Rutgers was close that year also.
2015 - Maryland at Ravens Stadium.
2017 - at Iowa with a last second TD pass to Juwan Johnson
I think the 2018 game was close as well, with Iowa pulling out a lot of stops/crazy plays.
2021 vs Auburn.

So, I gave you more than two.

In the last two years, Marcus Freeman has had as many victories as James Franklin - while playing a much softer schedule. You really think the two are comparable? They are not.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: LB99

Alphalion75

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2021
2,935
3,155
113
Me either. That’s my point. I’ll stick with the guys we have.
Well...I thought the point you were making was that Franklin was operating with more talent, therefore, he should be replaced. My point is simply, that the two teams are fairly equal in talent. The game came down to a handful of plays. Those being, the missed pass and catch to Singleton inside the 5, the missed opportunity on the Angeli fumble, our DB falling down on the long ND TD and the interception at the end. If just one of those plays goes our way....I think we win. So I say, keep on keeping on with Franklin. I liked how AK described Franklin this week......"He's a bulldog" regarding his preparation and determination. I truly believe Franklin will eventually find a way to win these big games.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LB99

Alphalion75

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2021
2,935
3,155
113
The staff was handed an easy schedule and did not beat a single team we were underdog. Again. Best win = Illinois.

meh
Illinois was a good win....but our best win was Boise State. A team that came within an eyelash of beating Oregon at Oregon.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LB99

LB99

Well-known member
Oct 27, 2021
6,543
8,623
113
Well...I thought the point you were making was that Franklin was operating with more talent, therefore, he should be replaced. My point is simply, that the two teams are fairly equal in talent. The game came down to a handful of plays. Those being, the missed pass and catch to Singleton inside the 5, the missed opportunity on the Angeli fumble, our DB falling down on the long ND TD and the interception at the end. If just one of those plays goes our way....I think we win. So I say, keep on keeping on with Franklin. I liked how AK described Franklin this week......"He's a bulldog" regarding his preparation and determination. I truly believe Franklin will eventually find a way to win these big games.
I’m on board with everything you just said.
 

LB99

Well-known member
Oct 27, 2021
6,543
8,623
113
Illinois was a good win....but our best win was Boise State. A team that came within an eyelash of beating Oregon at Oregon.
Illinois also just beat a really hit SC team that some thought deserved a playoff spot. They weren’t flashy but very solid.
 

PSUFTG

Well-known member
Nov 1, 2021
1,478
2,330
113
Illinois was a good win....but our best win was Boise State. A team that came within an eyelash of beating Oregon at Oregon.
Nebraska nearly beat OSU - in Columbus.

One game doesn't mean a whole lot.

Boise St had a very nice RB, no doubt. Boise State was not anywhere near a top tier team. Not even close.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MacNit

LB99

Well-known member
Oct 27, 2021
6,543
8,623
113
Nebraska nearly beat OSU - in Columbus.

One game doesn't mean a whole lot.

Boise St had a very nice RB, no doubt. Boise State was not anywhere near a top tier team. Not even close.
You show up at the end of the year to spread negativity. I’d expect nothing less. Where were you when they were winning?
 

Connorpozlee

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2021
2,333
4,412
113
The troll finished in the top 4 in the nation. Not what we wanted, but not as bad as you’re trying to make it out to be.
Oops, my bad. I thought you made the original post I responded to and that you were referring to Franklin as a troll (which made no sense). I’ll just leave it there, but my apologies.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LB99