Are you done with Franklin?
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I will be honest and say I didn't read every post, just read a few and skipped to the end because I really have no interest in all of the negativity about the program, especially when we just had one of our best seasons ever. Regarding the original question, I just don't see what Franklin did to lose that game last night. Drew Allar did not play well and a few times ND put our linebacker in a coverage position that he could not handle, other than that, I think we played well. If Allar completes 2 or 3 more passes we win that game. I loved Franklin's aggressiveness last night.
We are... the Jamaican bobsled team of college football. I can see clearly now ......a feel good story of overachievers.
Feel de rhythm. Feel de rhyme. Come on guys it's NIL time!We are... the Jamaican bobsled team of college football. I can see clearly now ......a feel good story of overachievers.
Great season, be mad at the WR room/coach if you want. Franklin is doing pretty damn well.
Outside of beefing with students/fans in the stadium Franklin has never embarrassed Penn State. Good guy, good role model, good father, good husband.
That is a big difference on a revenue per sport basis, ro. OSU generates $7.6M per athletic team. Michigan is $7.2M. PSU is $5.8M.
So OSU is 31% higher than PSU. I’d argue on that basis, PSU’s AD is bloated and at a disadvantage to our primary B1G competitors.
And if those aren’t our primary competitors, then we should give it all up and go Ivy League.
The game is about $ and resources. The best programs earn and spend more on football. I don’t know this empirically but I bet the southern schools spend an outsized % of their athletic budgets on football.
I think a lot of valid points are being made.
Losing 3 games by 1 possession sounds acceptable until you realize how often that's the situation: we're always right there, and then always shoot ourselves in the foot at the last minute to allow the opposition to cross the finish line ahead of us.
The trend is that we can't get out of our own way. When momentum is on our side, suddenly we become determined to steer directly toward the lone banana peel in our path, and skid out on it.
This takes several forms including: moving away from what's working, calling a bizarre play, or most often puckering up and trying to nurse a 1-point lead for the final 8.5 minutes, and then acting shocked that the other team didn't simply give up and "somehow" found a way to win.
Penn State loves to take their foot off the gas in tough games. At this point, you have to say it's our defining strategy. We do not play to beat good opponents. We play to hang with them as best we can, and then make excuses when we come up short. "It's hard to win football games." Yeah, we know. But somehow, other programs find ways to do it.
It's not Franklin's fault that a DB falls down, or a 5-star QB throws into triple coverage. But it's fair to ask: WHY is the QB throwing into triple coverage? WHY were we throwing the ball with the game on the line when the opponent was struggling to stop both of our running backs? WHY does the QB have trouble making decisions and hitting wide open targets in big games? WHY is the QB incapable of reading opposing defenses and responding to the blitz? WHY can't WRs consistently get open against any opposing secondary?
That's the thing: each isolated incident isn't the fault of the coaches. But when these Keystone Kops routines keep happening over and over again, every single time we face a tough opponent, then it very much is on the coaches because they're clearly not preparing the players to respond appropriately in these situations.
It's easy to point to Drew throwing a game-ending pick. But that's like saying the biggest tree in the forest is the entire forest all by itself.
There are a LOT of persistent issues that can justifiably be questioned. And anyone who sleeps on a giant pile of money absolutely deserves to have their feet held to the fire. That's the trade-off for being wealthy: you're more accountable for failure than people who aren't wealthy.
Yep and I am sure the players and coaches are taking the loss harder than any of us on this board. For anyone on this board (not saying you, I am just listing on your post) to act like they wanted the win more than the players and staff is doing a huge disservice to our team.
Spot on. Allar stunk. 3 picks and the refs bailed him out twice. The INT at the end was a Testaverde-level brain fart. Missing Nick on the first scoring drive was terrible. If Allar is merely competent last night, Penn State wins.
I don’t agree with you on how you are defining bloated. OSU and Michigan may charge for tickets for sports PSU allows for free (I have no idea). Making less money per sport and less money overall seems like an odd way to determine if the AD is bloated. Additionally, PSU spends less than it’s two major big ten rivals. If it were bloated it would spend more.
The southern schools probably do spend more on football - Looking strictly at the data I provided, it would stand to reason that is the case - the southern schools don’t offer the other sports because there is not really a local interest in men’s and women’s hockey, lacrosse and a few other sports.
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A lot of great points. Although hanging with superior talent/$$$ teams deserves a lot of credit. Hanging with is a valid strategy toward beating those teams. Something Penn State has not always done, I remember plenty of blowouts against top teams.
Franklin has elevated Penn State to a legitimate top10 program in the country, with consistent performance. And we don't have top10 resources. All the good and all the bad, he is responsible and accountable for it. And the totality has been pretty impressive.
Hopefully they work hard this off-season to improve the glaring weaknesses of on-field discipline and WR play. While maintaining the numerous strengths, my god the OL played well this year.
As fans we will do what we can, which is ***** and complain and write the occasional check to the Penn State collective.
If ABCs Wide World of Sports was still airing, they would show PSU football for the agony of defeat
Colin said the exact same thing and even said he’s a good guy. Is bill belichick a good guy?
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So being jobbed by Big 10 officials that night was reason to have him fired? Got it.
Remind me why you keep going to the aTm well. Just because people spend money doesnt mean they are not foolish with it. ………Checks notes at least they have the opportunity to be foolish with it…. No cash means little to no opportunity…..Pony up buttercup
Good grief, 2024 Minnesota? 2024 U$C?
I am talking about games against teams with a pulse? Maryland? Rutgers? App State? We had light years more talent than them. That’s the point.
Freeman just knocked of Georgia. And he beat Franklin mano-y-mano in a game he was crippled with injuries.
No more NIL until Joe is properly honored.
Why do you think we are not currently at O$U level?
It would not exist if his record in big games was historically bad.
Easy button answer: Name his signature road win during his entire Penn State tenure.
Better prepare for high school football. As college football has nearly completed the trip to Minor league NFL. Last step will be no enrollment requirements.
Boise State was bad. Only hideous play calling kept that game close. About as good as Minnesota.
He hired the WR coach and recruited the WRs. Heck he was supposedly a WR coach himself.
0 catches by WRs.
Yeah, he doing pretty damn well.
He better get set for 2025 and arguing with students as he will be booed loudly- even at Blue-Whire game.
Heck, he was roundly booed at SMU game.
It does, absolutely.
I think the biggest divide between fans on this message board is between those who accept that we're an A-tier program, and are content with 10-2 being our ceiling, and people who want us to be an S-tier program and expect that we should be beating Ohio State and Michigan closer to 50% of the time instead of almost 0% of the time.
It's one thing to be simply overpowered by a superior opponent, as we were against Michigan the last two times we played them.
It's another thing to play a great game and lose as we did against USC in the 2017 Rose Bowl.
And it's quite another thing to lose because you just can't get your crap together, and you constantly trip over your own feet when the opposition is practically bending over for you. This would be the Ohio State and Notre Dame games from this year as well as many others.
And sometimes (in fact most times) it’s the Jimmies and the Joes on the other side that make better plays because they have better talent. Texas can feel the same way as we do from the results of last night. They were “right there” on the goal line but it turned into an 83 yd fumble return. So would you classify that as a “Franklin moment” or a “Sarkisian moment?”. FFS every one is frustrated with the results but it really is hard to get over the hump with talent disparity at times. Ask everyone in the NFL how they felt under the boot of the Patriots year after year.