Right or wrong, the success of our athletics teams is a public good, so there’s always an element of free-rider issue. I doubt anybody on here cares enough to have an opinion of me, but it’s hard for me to justify to giving say $10,000 to a PSU NIL collective over setting it aside for my family for either current experiences or savings.
I’m not saying the in-person experience is a public good. Help me with the rest - I need an occasional work diversion.
“The NCAA, like any other private association, can establish and enforce rules, subject to state laws that govern it,” said attorney Darren Heitner, who works with institutions and collectives. “A private association’s rules and regulations generally must comply with state laws and cannot override nor contradict state laws. The NCAA would need to prevail on an argument that the state law is unconstitutional, which is a very high burden and, in my opinion, rather unlikely.”
Nah....the blue hairs are still peeved about 2012 and not donating is the best way to show it.
Let's say you have a donor who contributes $1mm p.a. to the Athletic Department, all of it unrestricted (venture to guess PSU doesn't have too many of those). Now some twerp in Development asks the donor to split the amount equally between the AD and NIL. Imagine there would quite a few donors who would tell the twerp were to stick it. Like "I'm give you a mil a year and you want to complicate my life?"
cant they just have a zoom call with the players and the donors with the players telling them how to play football?
True. I suppose there’s a deductibility wedge there too, but frankly I’m not in the category of giver that has done the math. But I think we’re on the same page - a dollar is likely not the same everywhere.
They could. Price tag put on it could be a problem. Imagine that more than one donor wouldn't want to waste time on that circle jerk.
I had that very thing happen to a friend of mine here at Marshall. He gives $x to the Big Green club, they come to him with, 'How much you giving to NIL?' to which he says , 'I am giving you $x, that is not changing, you decide how you want to divide it up'.
We are.. NIL is a fairly simple concept. But within every donor base there are a limited number of contributors who have a bona-fide use for NIL-based services. And the demand for funds is likely to exceed the amount these donors provide. Then it gets messy.
Just don’t waste it on flowrestling. Inferior product.
That is simply not true. The Blue hairs in our parking lot and on my block in State College give generously to all sorts of things that benefit the community, university and beyond the boundaries of Happy Valley. Some also give to NIL. In our two spots behind the north Endzone, if you look around, you will notice a fairly senior population spending the big bucks for parking, NLC, season tickets etc. Youngsters don’t buy season tickets. And season ticket participation is declining.
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While it's impossible to make a definitive conclusion without access to the books, primarily because of giving timing issues, if one were to hazard a guess a better case could be made that contributions are flat or up rather than down.
I agree with you completely Tgar. We read all the time on these boards, especially the other one, that the "Joebots" will not give to the university because they are upset with how Joe was treated. I am open minded to the merits of that arguments but I have never seen any empirical date to support that notion and I doubt we ever will.
So the younger generations are the ones holding back due to 2012? How many times on BWI did you see not a penny more until they honor Joe? Of course it isn’t all, but we have people a decade later still holding on to things. It’s certainly not an all or nothing comment either. I should have made that clearer.
How much do these anonymous "not a penny more" posters account for in dollars-and-cents terms? No one knows.
I didn't know you were contributing to teaching and research. I thought you were contributing to DEI.How can we be expected to contribute to athletics when we are all actively contributing to Penn State’s mission of teaching, research, and service?
It's a legitimate question. People should give to those causes they deem worthy.How can we be expected to contribute to athletics when we are all actively contributing to Penn State’s mission of teaching, research, and service?
I wish PSU had asked this attorney for a second opinion on their 2011-2012 strategy with the NCAA.“The NCAA, like any other private association, can establish and enforce rules, subject to state laws that govern it,” said attorney Darren Heitner, who works with institutions and collectives. “A private association’s rules and regulations generally must comply with state laws and cannot override nor contradict state laws. The NCAA would need to prevail on an argument that the state law is unconstitutional, which is a very high burden and, in my opinion, rather unlikely.”
New NCAA guidelines attack state NIL laws in Arkansas, Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma
While Charlie Baker pleads with Congress for federal NIL legislation, the NCAA has released more guidance to member schools.www.on3.com
I would bet based on what I know and the folks I know the younger generation is ponying up peanuts and it’s folks 50 and older making the most significant contributions. The Honor Joe crowd is quickly aging out and expecting 70 year olds and 80 year olds to carry the torch is short sighted.
Blaise Alexander? Sheetz? Ciocca dealerships? Nittany Beverage? The Waffle Shop? The possibilities are endless. Seriously though, PSU has the largest alumni network in the land. There are really successful PSU alums all over the globe. Organizing a fundraising campaign shouldn’t be impossible.
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This is what we’re up against.
Olivia Dunne reveals biggest check she's ever received from single sponsorship post
It's well known that Olivia Dunne has multiple sponsorships as part of various NIL deals as an LSU Tigers gymnast. She revealed the biggest check she's ever received from one.
The business possibilities (beyond things like selling photos, jerseys, meet-and-greet tickets, podcast access, etc) are more limited than you think. Look at Dalzell Trading for an example.
Who's building all of the high rises downtown? Are they the same people on the board of HVU?
