Well, one of us has the strength of his convictions, and that isn’t him.
It is difficult to believe 2 does not happen if 1 does happen.
It is possible to do 4 without doing 2 or 3. I think tOSU has done that twice.
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It is difficult to believe 2 does not happen if 1 does happen.
It is possible to do 4 without doing 2 or 3. I think tOSU has done that twice.
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Lol, true. PSU just hired the compliance guy from LSU.
How about 32 year old Danny O'Brien making the move from offensive analyst to grad assistant so that he can coach QB at practices?
Damn, it’s been awhile, but last Fest I caught was Blues Traveler in the early 90s with Popper in a wheelchair after his motorcycle wreck, glorious weather and fun. Thanks for the memory…
I saw those guys at the HORDE festival in the mid-90's at the bottom of the slopes of Montage Mountain in Scranton. Good times.
You're the one whining like an 8 year old- but by all means keep crying.
Yeah...that's exactly what I said. LOL....this board never fails to deliver with dumb takes. If that is how you perceive Joe...that is on you. I'm sure you think your fighting for his honor or something....everyone needs a cause. I mean if you donate to NIL....you hate Joe...right? LOL
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Day is elite. Getting to the CFP regularly is proof. Winning B1G Championships too. It’s less about individual records vs certain teams and more the big picture as it were.
Final AP rankings for OSU under Day:
2022 - 4
2021 - 6
2020 - 2
2019 - 3
OSU hasn’t finished outside the top ten in a final AP ranking since 2013 (12). Day is 45-6 and has two B1G Championships. He makes slightly more than Franklin. He’s made the CFP three times including one final. Franklin is nowhere near this. And it’s likely a monkey could get similar results at OSU, but Day’s record is what it is.
But Dave saying Franklin's record against tOSU and Michigan makes him suck. Ryan Day vs Michigan is 1-2.
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Well, those losses prevented B1G Championships and CFP appearances. Day has suffered losses but they haven’t impacted the end result. Has he lost to PSU and Michigan in the same year? That is what mattered (until next year anyway). Franklin can afford a loss to OSU or Michigan, but almost certainly not both and definitely not in the same year when there are already losses to teams like Pitt or Minnesota.
Dave said Franklin wasn’t elite but didn’t specify a criteria - you posted the Day’s record vs Michigan as a comparison but he didn’t claim that was the deciding criteria.
Franklin has done fine but losing big games after leading - especially to conference rivals - has been his undoing. New format will help PSU a ton but Franklin needs to improve his GameDay decision making to go to the next level (until he’s able to absolutely outrecruit OSU and Michigan and soon to be USC…). Some don’t care if we get there and are fine as is. All good.
He said this about Franklin.
"I don’t hate Franklin.
I believe he is an above average coach. He is not elite and after 9 years we all should know that.
I will make this bet with you. If Either of us loses we never post on here again.
You win if two of these four things happen this year:
1. PSU sweeps UM and tOSU with wins.
2. PSU wins the B1G east.
3. PSU wins the B1G championship
4. PSU appears in the playoffs"
Dave says it's part of the criteria. How many times has Day swept UM and PSU in a season? What happens to Day if he loses to UM again this season? My money is he'll be NFL bound and we won't be having this discussion next year.
Thing about Day is it's not Day. It's OSU. Just like it's LSU or Notre Dame. Whoever is in charge will be able to compete because of recruiting. I don't want to further dissect Dave's criteria since it's possible PSU could accomplish #'s 3 and 4 (and I guess would be considered 'elite') without beating both Michigan and OSU but it's highly unlikely.
I happen to agree with Dave about Franklin* but I think he would be more successful with better players - which is more likely than him suddenly improving his gameday coaching decisions. I think the next two years, while not 'make or break' given his contract, will tell us a lot about whether he can take the talent on hand - including a 5* QB he recruited - to the CFP and potentially beyond.
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*There are currently no 'available' coaches I would take over Franklin.
My daughter is starting her sophomore year at U Park so I'm donating plenty to her NIL.
My criteria for being "elite" is winning conference championships, making the playoffs, and winning the national championship. How frequently is open to debate, but it's more than once or twice in the first two categories.
Let us remember who brought up the notion of being "elite" in the first place.
If you give to the NIL fund, shouldn't you then actually get to use a player's name, image and likeness in some way?
We're in agreement. Under the existing system I do not think Franklin is the guy to get us over the hump. With the change to conference scheduling and CFP formats, I think he has a fighting change assuming he is able to consistently recruit Top 15 classes. Franklin almost certainly holds himself to a higher standard than most fans here defending his performance, which while a good thing, still doesn't undo his massive contract extension which only hurts Penn State.
My daughter is starting her sophomore year at U Park so I'm donating plenty to her NIL.
Hey, congrats! That is a very big deal! What is she looking to do? And don't you have younger kids as well? I'm finding summer break is more intense in many ways than the school year....noting my kids are young and we're reliant on camps to keep them occupied when we're not on vacation as we still have to work...
EDIT: I realized I wrote 'Big deal' as a sentence which could have been improperly interpreted as snarky when I actually meant it as a statement. Very big accomplishment for your family!
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Ryan Day has been at OSU for 4 years.
He has taken OSU to the Final Four 3 times - the "other" year he took OSU to the Rose Bowl - and won the Big Ten twice.
His record is 42-6 (40-3 in the regular season, 30-2 in the Big Ten)
Comparing Day to Franklin is a beyond ridiculous argument if one is trying to make a case for Franklin.
He has taken OSU to the Final Four 3 times - the "other" year he took OSU to the Rose Bowl - and won the Big Ten twice.
His record is 42-6 (40-3 in the regular season, 30-2 in the Big Ten)
Comparing Day to Franklin is a beyond ridiculous argument if one is trying to make a case for Franklin.
Yes, though receiving autographed photos, game jerseys, access to members-only podcasts and functions where the player is present can constitute "use." Additionally, the value of goods or services received should be commensurate with value given. Thus, getting something like a mass-produced photo for a contribution of, say, $50k ain't gonna cut it
Here's a scary thought - Larry Johnson probably does better at OSU than Day as HC....
Thanks! Without giving too much info, she's heading into PT. My younger is going to be a HS senior so we've been touring some smaller schools and meeting with their soccer coaches. She's waiting to commit until after her HS soccer season, but she's also in love with PSU and she sees PSU club as an option so who knows?
Luckily, my wife worked from home for much of the time they were home for Summers so it worked out. Grandma's pool also was a huge help.
I saw New York and Texas has as well. NCAA
I also saw a pretty reasonable post on twitter asking why fans/alums are being asked to bear the brunt of the NIL burden (not just for PSU) when the purpose was supposed to be for companies and athletes to do business together. Anyone know the efforts we're making here with companies? I think State College is at a disadvantage compared to places like LA or Miami or Austin, but New York is within reach....
I know West Shore Homes, MITER brands and Inch & Co. are substantially involved.
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Under the two-year deal, West Shore Home is partnering with MITER Brands to team up with Penn State football NIL collective, Lions Legacy Club.
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York County construction firm investing in the future with deals involving Nittany Lions
Five Penn State players have signed to receive Tesla Sedans as part of the name, image and likeness deals.
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Because once you go beyond a certain radius of the school the likeness of an athlete gains no traction unless the athlete is a Heisman candidate (and remember Dr. Pepper's abortive ad campaign featuring DJ Uiagalelei) and/or the school is a title contender. At this point, no one is going to run ads in the metro NY market featuring anyone from PSU. That could change.
My son starts as a freshman in August. New Student Orientation next week. So, I’m doing my part as well.My daughter is starting her sophomore year at U Park so I'm donating plenty to her NIL.
There's always the option for a buyout if truly needed. Other Universities eat contracts all the time. Also, Pat can blame the former AD. Bonus would be Barry would lose his mind but be conflicted at the sane time because he hates CJF.
He has a chance IMO, but taking the field is just a safer bet. The odds aren't in his favor as PSU is playing catch up to the real elites. PSU has a group of fans that want to think it's 1986, but it's not and PSU really hasn't been elite since they joined the B1G outside of 1994. They have never strung together top 5 classes or top 5 teams....never mind a MNC. He'll continue to put up top 15 classes probably assuming the NIL initiatives make up some ground, but right now PSU isn't even a top 15 NIL school.
Nobody outside of agents, coaches, and players love long term deals so I get the angst there, but people want to hold him to "elite" standards because he actually is trying to raise the bar for the program. It seems to me that he at least was fighting that fight and I absoluetely hated the annual JF is going to school X dance, but PSU had an ancient way of running a program. Not sure why people cannot handle that truth or don't like hearing it....but there is some truth to it.
Lemme' know the first time a school eats $70mm+ to buy out a coach.
Pro tip: This is when they meet with their advisor and schedule classes. The advisor for my daughter had her take four credit Stat 100 class along with a couple of other classes that weren't very friendly for her first semester. It's no wonder some kids are one semester and done when you get some jackass doing that to kids. She got the classes changed before the semester started and the advisor was either fired or quit.
Bottom line is let him know he's not stuck with the classes if he gets jobbed by a crap advisor. It wasn't a very good way to start what is her best time of her life. All good now though.
To clarify, I didn't mean after the '23 season. If he has a few crappy years in a row moving forward, it has to be on the table. By '26 top coaches will be in the 15mm range. Right now, CJF is 15th highest and everyone is whining about the contract.
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And there was this in the article.
To clarify, I didn't mean after the '23 season. If he has a few crappy years in a row moving forward, it has to be on the table. By '26 top coaches will be in the 15mm range. Right now, CJF is 15th highest and everyone is whining about the contract.
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And there was this in the article.
Higher than 15. Media numbskulls for some reason overlook the loan that never has to be repaid.
Okay, so if he has a couple of poor seasons, his buyout drops to $56mm. The most ever paid to a coach to get lost was $22mm by Auburn to Gus Malzahn. PSU is a ways away from that. I'm actually pulling for Mel Tucker to break that barrier.
Thanks! I appreciate all the advice I can get. A lot has changed since my wife and I graduated from Dear Old State in 1999.
1997 for me. They gave me an email address in 95ish and I thought, WTF am I going to do with this? Enjoy! We spent more time there in the past 2 years than I did since I graduated.Thanks! I appreciate all the advice I can get. A lot has changed since my wife and I graduated from Dear Old State in 1999.
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