So I suppose we cease honoring anyone for great accomplishments so not to take away from the current staff, administration, management team etc. Etc.?
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Yes as holding back on the current team and coach is a great way to honor Joe.....it's just what he would have wanted for the school. Surely Joe would put himself and honoring himself first as that is just how petty he was. He was super selfish and only cared about being worshipped by the fans. LOL...it's as if people didn't really listen to the man they idolized at all in any way. "We'll take your money, but not your 2 cents." NFM
So Joe would prefer to have his corpse continue to be dragged through the mud, have his legacy be that of a pedophile enabler. That's what Joe would want?
Seems the administration can do something more than pretend Penn State football didn't exist until BOB arrived.
Correct. It's why Rodney Erickson's name is still on the Creamery
Seems that way. What the move-on crowd doesn't understand is that an organization that did what they did to the Paternos can do the very same to the Franklins if they find it expedient to do so. The University made no structural change preventing a future coach from being slandered and their continued silence on Paterno condones it.
I get that some are butt hurt over what occurred as he was a scapegoat/target due to who he was and it was unfair to him. I totally get that, but if they were so offended why would they still follow the sport or the program? I also get those that are college purist and don't like NIL or this current setup, but the old way was to just nod and wink like it wasn't occurring. Again....if people are so upset by NIL...don't pay and just move on. It's a perfectly reasonable response and folks have every right to feel that way. Using Joe IMO is in pretty poor taste.You make a good point that would need to be considered and balanced if a formal honor were to happen. There would be many who would see it as you do, as taking away from the current coach, staff, and team. I don't, but I understand your pov.
Other schools seem to routinely honor past coaches and teams without that perception coming into play. We unnecessarily dug ourselves into a deep hole in this regard, and therefore the balance between satisfying a significant portion of the donating fan base and not stepping on toes is unnecessarily more difficult than it needs to be.
Having Franklin be an integral part of the honor for JVP could be a way to bridge that gap. Having him refer back to statement wrt "the great Joe Paterno" from his introductory press conference in Jan. 2014 might be the opener. Not letting certain ex- and current BOT members having their hurt feelings get in the way may be a hurdle, but one worth taking on.
I'm one of the crowd who has continued to donate to PSU athletics, but stopped donating to the University on the academic side after 2011-12. I don't know that honoring Joe will move me off that base; probably not. But others who stopped their donations to athletics may think about it again, including NIL. TBD if and when.
Thanks for bringing up a good discussion point, dripping in sarcasm and all!
I have no issue with the school or anyone else honoring Joe, but I do kind of kind of dislike the hypocrisy of not contributing to this for Joe.....because unless I missed something on the man that wouldn't be his take on any of this. That is just my POV. I don't see a ton of letterman saying to "withhold for Joe's honor" either. Thanks for your usual level headed response Bob78....one of the better ones on this site with it.
Because I need to see where my kids go to college first. Haha.
I know it’s not the same, but I have spent money on some of the items that some of our student athletes have either sold or get compensated for through either merchandise or at an event
My friend. If you are familiar with my posts, you would know that I have been an advocate for honoring Joe ever since his disgraceful firing and long before NIL. Ok, I understand your pov that honoring Joe may be an exploitation of his name and legacy. I get that. But more importantly, and as I have advocated, honoring Joe while Sue is still well is important in bringing a divided fan base together. I do make contributions, never stopped. I just believe this is the right thing to do.
I don't consider it an exploitation at all. If people want to withhold because of Joe....I think they never really understood him IMO. Team and school were first with him. He didn't want it about him...at least that is my take on it. You aren't withholding due to Joe, but just wish him to be honored....as do many. If it happens great, if it doesn't....PSU will move on minus some of those folks. So be it. A few no doubt won't and probably left before NIL.
Remember this?
Also from the article:
"According to CBS’s Dennis Dodd, the Penn State men’s basketball team was supposed to wear shirts in warmups that said “409.”
Do you know that he hasn't for other sports? Just asking because I think your FOS about this. What other HC's are you comparing him too?
What does Franklin’s salary have to do with any of it? He’s doing exactly what every other coach in the country is trying to do..put their team in a position to compete at the highest level. If he wasn’t, you would be complaining that he wasn’t doing his job. The guy will never do anything right in the eyes of some.
I get the importance of NIL. But, let's at least consider that the University wants more $$ for the foundation...the athletic department is looking at maybe $1billion for stadium upgrades and is constantly is looking for donations to support student athletes outside of NIL and now we have calls for more money for NIL. There's only so much to go around
Hell no. We are beyond NCAA enforcement and quickly moving beyond money for the players. As of now, players get paid and their famiiles are lining up for the bennies also. Think travel arrangements to away games, jobs for fathers and mothers, cars, home goods, etc. Do you think that some of these high end athletes aren't going to ask about what's in it for mom and dad?
It’s going to be really interesting what the equilibrium is here. Seems pretty clear all the “fake NIL” is going to do is take $$ out of fans’ pockets and put into star players’ pockets. It’s not like the aggregate number of wins is going to go up so teams all end up at .800 and knocking on the door of playoff contention. It’s just a rent extraction scheme, and not all that efficient of one.
Didn’t see that interview, but Franklin went out of his way to praise Joe in this one.
Penn State coach James Franklin comments on Joe Paterno's legacy
The Nittany Lions coach was asked about Paterno on Saturday.
www.lehighvalleylive.com
I think you miss their point. Of course you are 100 % correct with your statement.
You see these things being posted about NIL are their attempt to build yet another excuse for Franklin. Just like their statements about people should quit their criticisms if they don’t contribute dollars to NIL. Nobody with an ounce of intelligence would make these absurd statements thinking they were true. They are saying these things to protect their coach.
That’s a narrow view. The same argument is out there across 100+ programs, some of which have a chance for re-shuffling, and some that have little chance.
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Is this the podcast you are referring to? If so, what exactly in it is so offensive to Paterno? I watched the first 25 minutes and thought it was a well done interview on both ends.The interview is Brenneman asking Franklin about his experience taking the job along with other topics. It isn’t about Paterno. Not everything Penn State football is about Paterno. Franklin isn’t obligated to gush over Paterno every time the camera is on. Or maybe he is to pacify a certain subset of the fan base? I think some like to generate controversy that isn’t there. Does Saban routinely gush over Bear Bryant? Does the fan base whine about it and criticize him if he doesn’t? People need to understand that Penn State is James’s
Program. It has been for 9 yrs now. Imagine trying to do your job and having people constantly complain that you aren’t the guy that previously had the position. Or that you don’t praise that guy enough. Imagine having those people beat that same drum in your ear for 9 years.
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nobody- he just hates Franklin and never misses a chance to take a shot at him
I don’t hate Franklin.
I believe he is an above average coach. He is not elite and after 9 years we all should know that.
I will make this bet with you. If Either of us loses we never post on here again.
You win if two of these four things happen this year:
1. PSU sweeps UM and tOSU with wins.
2. PSU wins the B1G east.
3. PSU wins the B1G championship
4. PSU appears in the playoffs
Is Ryan Day an elite coach?
"Ohio State suffered its second straight defeat to Michigan on Saturday, a 45-23 loss that dropped head coach Ryan Day’s record against the Wolverines to 1-2.
That’s the same number of losses as former head coaches Jim Tressel, Luke Fickell and Urban Meyer had in 18 combined seasons leading the program. Tressel went 9-1 from 2001-10, Fickell went 0-1 as the Buckeyes’ interim head coach in 2011 and Meyer went 7-0 from 2012-18."
"elite" is what you deserve, so I'll be hanging around if all or if none of those things happen
btw, we haven't been "elite" since the mid 80s
For more than $8 million, hell yes PSU can demand elite. They should tolerate less?
Then you go on to say PSU has not been elite since the 1980s. You think they should accept that and spend tens of millions on doing less? Thank God you don’t manage a PSU operation. Then again, maybe you do.
What do college football playoff champions like Georgia and LSU and teams that appeared in the playoffs like Washington, TCU, tOSU and Michigan have in common? They replaced their head coach since PSU hired Franklin and that new coach took his team to elite status.
just stop your silly girlish whining. “He hates Franklin” and “PSU has never been elite”.
keep the silly insults to yourself, your posts say what they say
Come on Dave, I asked if Ryan Day is elite? You highjacked my thread with your douchnoggle Franklin sucks crap now you won't answer my simple question?
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Who is silly? The guy who gives a pass to someone being paid for elite, but delivering above average, or the guy who expects elite results from someone being paid for elite results?
The apologists for Franklin chirp their little “we deserve elite” sarcasm, and they don’t perceive how stupid they sound.
If Franklin doesn’t like it, or his fans don’t like it, he can always go to another team that appreciates his gifts and are willing to pay for them. We can only hope, because we are stuck with him for another 8 or 9 years.
Well to be fair Dave, if #1 happens unless the wheels come off #2 is a given.
If #2 happens, so does #3 & #4
It also gives PSU the opportunity to do things that are illegal under the guise of NIL if it so chooses.
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