Check out how far WE ARE behind with NIL

[LaJollaCreek]

I would bet based on what I know and the folks I know the younger generation is ponying up peanuts and it’s folks 50 and older making the most significant contributions. The Honor Joe crowd is quickly aging out and expecting 70 year olds and 80 year olds to carry the torch is short sighted.

When The new west stands are completed and everyone as in everyone with season tickets is going to have to pick up a portion of the cost many that are left from that demographic will have written their last checks as well.

The folks having to make these decisions are pulling off a big balancing act and I do not envy them for one second. BTW, Columbus has numerous massive car dealerships among other businesses with deep pockets. What does State College have?

I have no doubt some of the older folks are still doing the heavy lifting, but there is a portion who are still butt hurt and they were certainly vocal about it. Older folks in general may have the coin left over as well and are at a point in time where they can shed some dollars. The entire landscape of the sport has turned on it's head the last 2-3 years and for a school boasting the largest alumni base it sure doesn't seem like they are all that interested in returning to the top all together.

The SEC and I'll throw in Ohio state had those dealerships and cash cows there before NIL as Franklin said it in so many words and we all knew it. That isn't some secret. They had the guys they knew who to go to....PSU is behind in NIL and somehow a few people don't like hearing that. I won't lose anymore sleep over it as it's true....multiple sites have reported on it (even NON PSU lists of NIL initiatives)....but the ones that b!tch about the playoffs or not being elite don't seem to like hearing that our resources aren't elite and just say the HC is whining. Hell on3 has a top 20 on the NIL collectives and I don't think PSU cracked that. Hopefully the few NIL moves recently will yield some better results and maybe that school pick a direction and row together finally (Hate the Fleck reference).

 

[Tgar]

I have no doubt some of the older folks are still doing the heavy lifting, but there is a portion who are still butt hurt and they were certainly vocal about it. Older folks in general may have the coin left over as well and are at a point in time where they can shed some dollars. The entire landscape of the sport has turned on it's head and for a school boasting the largest alumni base it sure doesn't seem like they are all that interested in returning to the top.

The SEC and I'll throw in Ohio state had those dealerships and cash cows there before NIL as Franklin said it in so many words and we all knew it. That isn't some secret. They had the guys they knew who to go to....PSU is behind in NIL and somehow a few people don't like hearing that. I won't lose anymore sleep over it as it's true....multiple sites have reported on it (even NON PSU lists of NIL initiatives)....but the ones that b!tch about the playoffs or not being elite don't seem to like hearing that our resources aren't elite and just say the HC is whining.

I think you landed on it with “ it sure doesn’t seem like they are all that interested in returning to the top”. This describes a lot of folks I know.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

I think you landed on it with “ it sure doesn’t seem like they all that interested in returning to the top”. This describes a lot of folks I know.

I will admit I resemble that remark.

IDGF about funding NIL. I have compared it to writing a check to the Eagles to fund their operations. No way in hell!

Let Penn State fund their own adventure into professional sports.

With each passing day I grow less interested in what was once my favorite sport. Many others on here have expressed the same attitude.

This opinion is not helped by Penn State employing an obviously limited head coach who failed to produce elite results before NIL.

 

[PSUJam]

I will admit I resemble that remark.

IDGF about funding NIL. I have compared it to writing a check to the Eagles to fund their operations. No way in hell!

Let Penn State fund their own adventure into professional sports.

With each passing day I grow less interested in what was once my favorite sport. Many others on here have expressed the same attitude.

This opinion is not helped by Penn State employing an obviously limited head coach who failed to produce elite results before NIL.

Remember when a bunch of guys on the old site said they were never going to watch the NFL ever again then TV ratings went up? I do.

 

[Nitt1300]

I will admit I resemble that remark.

IDGF about funding NIL. I have compared it to writing a check to the Eagles to fund their operations. No way in hell!

Let Penn State fund their own adventure into professional sports.

With each passing day I grow less interested in what was once my favorite sport. Many others on here have expressed the same attitude.

agree with this part

 

[aferrelli]

I lowered my standards from making the playoffs to making a NY6 bowl when they started with NIL. This model of fan’s or boosters paying the tab is unsustainable. Until profit sharing is adopted, I will keep lowering my interest

It’s sustainable; you may just not like the outcomes, going forward. Do you believe paying players, in college, could now go away, especially since it’s aiready functioned for a few years? Nobody is going backwards, and most people realize that something like NIL was probably overdue. Is anybody crazy about paying more for something they like (or love); of course not, but the price to play has just gone up. You either accept this new reality, or you wither to a dried up nothing as a football power.

And remember, paying players has always been; it’s just now come out of the dark, at least somewhat.

 

[Tgar]

It’s sustainable; you may just not like the outcomes, going forward. Do you believe paying players, in college, could now go away, especially since it’s aiready functioned for a few years? Nobody is going backwards, and most people realize that something like NIL was probably overdue. Is anybody crazy about paying more for something they like (or love); of course not, but the price to play has just gone up. You either accept this new reality, or you wither to a dried up nothing as a football power.

And remember, paying players has always been; it’s just now come out of the dark, at least somewhat.

What most are saying boils down to this. Pay the players, pay them handsomely for the entertainment they provide. Use the available revenue streams other professionals get paid from, Broadcasting revenue and ticket sales. It’s pretty simple.

 

[Hardslider33]

It’s sustainable; you may just not like the outcomes, going forward. Do you believe paying players, in college, could now go away, especially since it’s aiready functioned for a few years? Nobody is going backwards, and most people realize that something like NIL was probably overdue. Is anybody crazy about paying more for something they like (or love); of course not, but the price to play has just gone up. You either accept this new reality, or you wither to a dried up nothing as a football power.

And remember, paying players has always been; it’s just now come out of the dark, at least somewhat.

I’m not against revenue sharing, hell those kids made that money.
What I’m against is our coach who makes $8.5M a season, whining about the fans having to pay to that tab.
If a business wants to help the school pay it … great. I have chose to keep our company from it. Not because I don’t believe in it or not wanting my school to succeed. We just give to campus projects, the engineering center, HUB remodel. I’d even donate to student athletes style hotel. That includes hotel amenities, movie theater, game room, restaurants.
I just won’t pay a kid

 

[Nitt1300]

What most are saying boils down to this. Pay the players, pay them handsomely for the entertainment they provide. Use the available revenue streams other professionals get paid from, Broadcasting revenue and ticket sales. It’s pretty simple.

It is- just don't pretend that it's "college" football.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

I’m not against revenue sharing, hell those kids made that money.
What I’m against is our coach who makes $8.5M a season, whining about the fans having to pay to that tab.
If a business wants to help the school pay it … great. I have chose to keep our company from it. Not because I don’t believe in it or not wanting my school to succeed. We just give to campus projects, the engineering center, HUB remodel. I’d even donate to student athletes style hotel. That includes hotel amenities, movie theater, game room, restaurants.
I just won’t pay a kid

Then don’t say a word when they aren’t making it to the playoffs. Seems fair enough.

 

[Hardslider33]

Then don’t say a word when they aren’t making it to the playoffs.

I haven’t, and you must have missed my earlier post #21

 

[BobPSU92]

It is- just don't pretend that it's "college" football.

Can you imagine a ”college” football coach today hosting a recruit and talking about setting up meetings with academic advisors, arranging a tour of the library, etc. The coach would get laughed out of the room, by the parents.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Can you imagine a ”college” football coach today hosting a recruit and talking about setting up meetings with academic advisors, arranging a tour of the library, etc. The coach would get laughed out of the room, by the parents.

Broad brush there. Umeh and his family as well as others do care about that aspect. Others will not.

 

[aferrelli]

Can you imagine a ”college” football coach today hosting a recruit and talking about setting up meetings with academic advisors, arranging a tour of the library, etc. The coach would get laughed out of the room, by the parents.

I’m laughing because you’re right.

 

[GrimReaper]

What most are saying boils down to this. Pay the players, pay them handsomely for the entertainment they provide. Use the available revenue streams other professionals get paid from, Broadcasting revenue and ticket sales. It’s pretty simple.

Problem is that a lot of those revenue streams go to pay for 29-odd sports that lose money and a bloated athletic department administration (there is a reason that the NFLPA crafts the revenue sharing provisions of the CBA on a gross revenue basis).

 

[PSUJam]

Broad brush there. Umeh and his family as well as others do care about that aspect. Others will not.

Olu and family as well.

 

[GrimReaper]

Olu and family as well.

Exceptions as opposed to rules.

 

[GrimReaper]

It’s sustainable; you may just not like the outcomes, going forward. Do you believe paying players, in college, could now go away, especially since it’s aiready functioned for a few years? Nobody is going backwards, and most people realize that something like NIL was probably overdue. Is anybody crazy about paying more for something they like (or love); of course not, but the price to play has just gone up. You either accept this new reality, or you wither to a dried up nothing as a football power.

And remember, paying players has always been; it’s just now come out of the dark, at least somewhat.

Paying players is conceptually much easier than NIL, at least for the person providing the moolah!

 

[PSUJam]

Paying players is conceptually much easier than NIL, at least for the person providing the moolah!

 

[Arringtonian]

I’m not against revenue sharing, hell those kids made that money.
What I’m against is our coach who makes $8.5M a season, whining about the fans having to pay to that tab.
If a business wants to help the school pay it … great. I have chose to keep our company from it. Not because I don’t believe in it or not wanting my school to succeed. We just give to campus projects, the engineering center, HUB remodel. I’d even donate to student athletes style hotel. That includes hotel amenities, movie theater, game room, restaurants.
I just won’t pay a kid

You’re entitled to your opinion. However, he’s trying to get the program out of 1975 against programs that are lapping us and have many more people that quite frankly seem to care more than we do. I can see how that would be a tad frustrating

 

[Hardslider33]

You’re entitled to your opinion. However, he’s trying to get the program out of 1975 against programs that are lapping us and have many more people that quite frankly seem to care more than we do. I can see how that would be a tad frustrating

You’re also entitled to your opinion. You’re also entitled to give him as much money as you want.

I chose to keep that money in house and make my employees lives a little easier by increasing their pay, and benefits. Again not against the kids getting paid, from the money they earned from their efforts (revenue sharing).
I have no issues with making a donation to build a 500 suite hotel style dorm for PS athletes. As that would benefit all of them.

 

[aferrelli]

Paying players is conceptually much easier than NIL, at least for the person providing the moolah!

Well, don’t you see the trend going towards paying players for their services? It seems as though NIL is simply a stepping stone towards that goal, and maybe towards an entirely new system.

How many years will NIL last? That’s a good question, but we’re not going backwards on college athletes making money; so the money aspect is here to stay. If you’re in the game, why not learn how to play it well. NIL is the present game, we need to learn to exist within the present NIL framework.

 

[Arringtonian]

You’re also entitled to your opinion. You’re also entitled to give him as much money as you want.

I chose to keep that money in house and make my employees lives a little easier by increasing their pay, and benefits. Again not against the kids getting paid, from the money they earned from their efforts (revenue sharing).
I have no issues with making a donation to build a 500 suite hotel style dorm for PS athletes. As that would benefit all of them.

Very good. Sorry, excuse my ignorance if you already mentioned this. You own a business? That’s very honorable.

 

[GrimReaper]

Well, don’t you see the trend going towards paying players for their services? It seems as though NIL is simply a stepping stone towards that goal, and maybe towards an entirely new system.

How many years will NIL last? That’s a good question, but we’re not going backwards on college athletes making money; so the money aspect is here to stay. If you’re in the game, why not learn how to play it well. NIL is the present game, we need to learn to exist within the present NIL framework.

NIL will last indefinitely, similar to the way professionals are paid for product endorsements. Right now, it seems that much of it is simply a means to launder cash to pay players (and I've been a proponent of paying players outright for a long time). Life will get really interesting when players' demands for cash (non-NIL) collide head-on with the spendthrift habits of athletic departments.

 

[johnmpsu]

NIL (N)ot (IL)legal. anymore. Everything that was illegal is now pretty much legal. Not to different from the rest of society in 2023.

I don't particularly like this brave new world.

 

[GrimReaper]

NIL (N)ot (IL)legal. anymore. Everything that was illegal is now pretty much legal. Not to different from the rest of society in 2023.

I don't particularly like this brave new world.

That is not true. It is still impermissible to pay players outright (to play). It would be better if it were.

 

[johnmpsu]

That is not true. It is still impermissible to pay players outright (to play). It would be better if it were.

Seriously?? LOL. True you have to go through an organization that launders the money for you.

 

[GrimReaper]

Seriously?? LOL. True you have to go through an organization that launders the money for you.

Not as easy as you think.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

 

[Midnighter]

First I’ve seen a HC endorse a NIL collective - line is getting blurrier….NCAA have any issues with this? I like it.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

First I’ve seen a HC endorse a NIL collective - line is getting blurrier….NCAA have any issues with this? I like it.

Oddly enough the ones that were speaking out against it already had “systems” in place.

 

[GrimReaper]

Looks like Kraft hasn't gotten NIL fixed.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Looks like Kraft hasn't gotten NIL fixed.

 

[Alphalion75]

Penn State has a golden opportunity to boost support for its NIL collectives and galvanize the Nittany Nation. Formerly honor Joseph V. Paterno. Nfm

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Penn State has a golden opportunity to boost support for its NIL collectives and galvanize the Nittany Nation. Formerly honor Joseph V. Paterno. Nfm

Yes as holding back on the current team and coach is a great way to honor Joe.....it's just what he would have wanted for the school. Surely Joe would put himself and honoring himself first as that is just how petty he was. He was super selfish and only cared about being worshipped by the fans. LOL...it's as if people didn't really listen to the man they idolized at all in any way. "We'll take your money, but not your 2 cents." NFM

 

[Alphalion75]

Yes as holding back on the current team and coach is a great way to honor Joe.....it's just what he would have wanted for the school. Surely Joe would put himself and honoring himself first as that is just how petty he was. He was super selfish and only cared about being worshipped by the fans. LOL...it's as if people didn't really listen to the man they idolized at all in any way. "We'll take your money, but not your 2 cents." NFM

So.....IYO you don't believe it would work or are you just being judgemental? Don't you believe that this small gesture would actually help Franklin and the current staff and our NIL collectives?

 

[Bison13]

I’ll commit to $4.09/month

 

[Bob78]

Yes as holding back on the current team and coach is a great way to honor Joe.....it's just what he would have wanted for the school. Surely Joe would put himself and honoring himself first as that is just how petty he was. He was super selfish and only cared about being worshipped by the fans. LOL...it's as if people didn't really listen to the man they idolized at all in any way. "We'll take your money, but not your 2 cents." NFM

You make a good point that would need to be considered and balanced if a formal honor were to happen. There would be many who would see it as you do, as taking away from the current coach, staff, and team. I don't, but I understand your pov.
Other schools seem to routinely honor past coaches and teams without that perception coming into play. We unnecessarily dug ourselves into a deep hole in this regard, and therefore the balance between satisfying a significant portion of the donating fan base and not stepping on toes is unnecessarily more difficult than it needs to be.

Having Franklin be an integral part of the honor for JVP could be a way to bridge that gap. Having him refer back to statement wrt "the great Joe Paterno" from his introductory press conference in Jan. 2014 might be the opener. Not letting certain ex- and current BOT members having their hurt feelings get in the way may be a hurdle, but one worth taking on.

I'm one of the crowd who has continued to donate to PSU athletics, but stopped donating to the University on the academic side after 2011-12. I don't know that honoring Joe will move me off that base; probably not. But others who stopped their donations to athletics may think about it again, including NIL. TBD if and when.

Thanks for bringing up a good discussion point, dripping in sarcasm and all!

 

[psuno1]

I’ll commit to $4.09/month

Why not $409.00 a month? Lol

 

[aferrelli]

Why not $409.00 a month? Lol

Or $40.90 a month, every little bit counts.