Clifford was supposed to participate in the Hula Bowl yesterday.

[Connorpozlee]

Interesting that in your effort to assign credit to Franklin you create two lines, while his "failings' bring four. LOL
However, I will suggest that the positive traits you mention have always been the most important in my judgement.
I fail to see any comparison in evaluating a college football coach as a fan and being in a committed relationship.
My wife passed away more than 13 years ago after 37 years of marriage. So, in fairness, I may have forgotten some things.
But I'm pretty sure if I had as many negative things to say about her as you do Coach Franklin.....the relationship would not have endured.
IMO, the element that you fail to recognize is the nature of competitive sport. Two teams compete....very skilled coaching staffs, and great athletes on both sidelines. Attributing every loss to the coach is a very simplistic approach. As much as we hate to recognize it, sometimes the other guy wins. Coaches will never be perfect....nor will players, and certainly not game officials.
Only fans have all the answers all the time.

I’ve been married 23 years and love my wife. Yet she’s not perfect and if somebody were to point out something about her that bothers them I wouldn’t mock them or tell them that they’re wrong.
My mother told me when I was a teen to never put the woman I marry on a pedestal because that would not be fair to her. I would give you the same advice about Franklin.

 

[BW Lion]

Defining "peers" is a little tricky. Some fans consider our peers to be OSU and Michigan, which is an interesting conversation to have. Does he have the same resources as those programs?

Defining “peer competitors” for the purpose of benchmarking PSU Football Inc isn’t difficult, but such an evaluation must include UMich and OSU et al

Anything less is just overt acceptance of perpetual mediocrity.

Why do I suspect you’re a limp-wristed white flag waver.

 

[CBusLion10]

Defining “peer competitors” for the purpose of benchmarking PSU Football Inc isn’t difficult, but such an evaluation must include UMich and OSU et al

Anything less is just overt acceptance of perpetual mediocrity.

Why do I suspect you’re a limp-wristed white flag waver.

Suspect whatever you want, tough guy.

I think around 50/50 w Michigan is fair expectation for fans, OSU is a little different as a perpetual top5 program. I'd like better than recent history but wouldn't scream for Franklin to be fired if we won less than 50%.

 

[BostonNit]

Interesting that in your effort to assign credit to Franklin you create two lines, while his "failings' bring four. LOL

Ignore the parenthetic examples... I point out 6 major positives about Franklin and 5 negatives. In two of the negatives I note that things improved this year. LOL

 

[marshall23]

Enough with your lame dead wife “woe is me” perspective of life.

Find a meaningful hobby during the remainder of your limited years. You will be a happier camper.

kiss my a$$

 

[marshall23]

Ignore the parenthetic examples... I point out 6 major positives about Franklin and 5 negatives. In two of the negatives I note that things improved this year. LOL

Congratulations! You are demonstrating progress!

 

[marshall23]

I’ve been married 23 years and love my wife. Yet she’s not perfect and if somebody were to point out something about her that bothers them I wouldn’t mock them or tell them that they’re wrong.
My mother told me when I was a teen to never put the woman I marry on a pedestal because that would not be fair to her. I would give you the same advice about Franklin.

Thanks for the advice. You've changed my world.

 

[marshall23]

Enough with your lame dead wife “woe is me” perspective of life.

Find a meaningful hobby during the remainder of your limited years.

After an 11-win year, James Franklin and Penn State enter the offseason with all sorts of buzz

James Franklin and Penn State won 11 games just the last two seasons combined before the Nittany Lions went 11-2 in 2022.

www.on3.com

I'm fine....looking forward to 9 more years!

 

[Nitt1300]

Enough with your lame dead wife “woe is me” perspective of life.

Find a meaningful hobby during the remainder of your limited years. You will be a happier camper.

your picture must appear in the "a s s hole" entry in the dictionary

 

[BostonNit]

Congratulations! You are demonstrating progress!

You're not.

 

[BostonNit]

Mixed bag, good trajectory coming out of the Rose Bowl. Let's see where it goes.

Agree. Most of the best players are young.

 

[marshall23]

You're not.

I'm trying but it's sooooo difficult to know more than D1 coaches and then post here how they've failed.

 

[Ludd]

I’ve been married 23 years and love my wife. Yet she’s not perfect and if somebody were to point out something about her that bothers them I wouldn’t mock them or tell them that they’re wrong.
My mother told me when I was a teen to never put the woman I marry on a pedestal because that would not be fair to her. I would give you the same advice about Franklin.

What if someone who’s never been married or someone who is in their 20’s and hasn’t gotten married yet criticized you and told you how to be a better husband and father? Because that’s more of an accurate comparison to posters on here criticizing Franklin than someone pointing out your wife’s shortcomings.

 

[Connorpozlee]

What if someone who’s never been married or someone who is in their 20’s and hasn’t gotten married yet criticized you and told you how to be a better husband and father? Because that’s more of an accurate comparison to posters on here criticizing Franklin than someone pointing out your wife’s shortcomings.

Nope, that’s not accurate. Has that person been in a relationship before? If so, then they probably have a reasonable idea how a relationship works, whether there is a ring on their finger or not. I would buy your premise here if that person in their 20s had just emerged from a cave but assuming that person has lived in society and either been in a relationship or observed relationships for 20+ years, I don’t buy it.
The weirdness of marshall’s takes here is that unless you have coached you can’t criticize. It’s an ignorant stance. I’ve never been a mechanic but if I take my car in for an oil change and my car is dripping oil all over the place after I leave I don’t just sit back and say, “well, that doesn’t seem right but that mechanic changed my oil so I’m just going to continue to drive it because he must know better than me.” Does he know better than me about issues with my car overall? Absolutely. Did he screw up my oil change? Also absolutely.
Marshall wants everybody to sit quietly and accept everything a coach does as the right move. I guess this is because he must have been criticized at some point back when he was a high school football coach, but I don’t really know. But it’s a ridiculous stance.

 

[Ludd]

Nope, that’s not accurate. Has that person been in a relationship before? If so, then they probably have a reasonable idea how a relationship works, whether there is a ring on their finger or not. I would buy your premise here if that person in their 20s had just emerged from a cave but assuming that person has lived in society and either been in a relationship or observed relationships for 20+ years, I don’t buy it.
The weirdness of marshall’s takes here is that unless you have coached you can’t criticize. It’s an ignorant stance. I’ve never been a mechanic but if I take my car in for an oil change and my car is dripping oil all over the place after I leave I don’t just sit back and say, “well, that doesn’t seem right but that mechanic changed my oil so I’m just going to continue to drive it because he must know better than me.” Does he know better than me about issues with my car overall? Absolutely. Did he screw up my oil change? Also absolutely.
Marshall wants everybody to sit quietly and accept everything a coach does as the right move. I guess this is because he must have been criticized at some point back when he was a high school football coach, but I don’t really know. But it’s a ridiculous stance.

Being in a relationship is not the same as being married, so it is accurate. And your mechanic example is not accurate because that’s something tangible that you can see is wrong. In the case of a coach, you get to criticize after the fact, but you have no way of knowing what would have happened had he done something different. 4th and short and the coach calls a running play that gets stuffed, he gets criticized for not passing when no one knows what would have happened had they passed. Also, the mechanic is the only one involved in your comparison….a coach can’t play in place of the players. Players have to do what they’re taught to do and if they don’t, that’s really not the coach’s fault. Bottom line is anyone who has coached before looks at things differently than those that haven’t because they’ve been in those positions before and know that sometimes things don’t go the way you worked on them. They also know you can’t make decisions after you know the results like fans can.

 

[marshall23]

Nope, that’s not accurate. Has that person been in a relationship before? If so, then they probably have a reasonable idea how a relationship works, whether there is a ring on their finger or not. I would buy your premise here if that person in their 20s had just emerged from a cave but assuming that person has lived in society and either been in a relationship or observed relationships for 20+ years, I don’t buy it.
The weirdness of marshall’s takes here is that unless you have coached you can’t criticize. It’s an ignorant stance. I’ve never been a mechanic but if I take my car in for an oil change and my car is dripping oil all over the place after I leave I don’t just sit back and say, “well, that doesn’t seem right but that mechanic changed my oil so I’m just going to continue to drive it because he must know better than me.” Does he know better than me about issues with my car overall? Absolutely. Did he screw up my oil change? Also absolutely.
Marshall wants everybody to sit quietly and accept everything a coach does as the right move. I guess this is because he must have been criticized at some point back when he was a high school football coach, but I don’t really know. But it’s a ridiculous stance.

I don't want everyone to stop criticizing Franklin...that's not accurate. I find the fanboy evaluations amusing.

 

[Moogy]

Marshall wants everybody to sit quietly and accept everything a coach does as the right move. I guess this is because he must have been criticized at some point back when he was a high school football coach, but I don’t really know. But it’s a ridiculous stance.

The weirdest parts of the above bolded truth are:

1. He never actually can explain anything related to coaching decisions, so it's not like he's just wowing us with his acquired coaching acumen and telling the non-coaching peons to shut up and sit down while he shows us how it's done. He's just sitting there pouting that no one should criticize because it's not fair, and he's going to throw a screaming tantrum until we stop; and,

2. He doesn't apply this same rationale to other walks of life. In areas where folks actually have learned and acquired expertise, and he has none, he will freely and often criticize what they're doing and suggest he knows the truth or the better way. Apparently only coaches have infallible logic that only other coaches can understand. All other complicated areas of interest are easily understood by the common man and are ripe for criticism.

 

[marshall23]

The weirdest parts of the above bolded truth are:

1. He never actually can explain anything related to coaching decisions, so it's not like he's just wowing us with his acquired coaching acumen and telling the non-coaching peons to shut up and sit down while he shows us how it's done. He's just sitting there pouting that no one should criticize because it's not fair, and he's going to throw a screaming tantrum until we stop; and,

2. He doesn't apply this same rationale to other walks of life. In areas where folks actually have learned and acquired expertise, and he has none, he will freely and often criticize what they're doing and suggest he knows the truth or the better way. Apparently only coaches have infallible logic that only other coaches can understand. All other complicated areas of interest are easily understood by the common man and are ripe for criticism.

MoogY

 

[Tom_PSU]

One immutable fact of life is, that if you’re in charge of or ultimately responsible for anything, you’re going to be criticized. And 99.9% of the time from people who have never had the title or responsibility. Since no one is infallible, whatever the critic's background is becomes immaterial providing the criticism is fair and legitimate.

Unfortunately here on the Board a few people have crossed the pale, and criticize Franklins every move. To me this reflects jealousy and envy, plus a crying need for attention, as I believe they relish the attention they receive. Which is probably absent from their daily lives.

Conversely, we have a few posters who slavishly defend every coaching decision, and attack any such criticism and the critics of the authority figure. I don’t know if they also desperately crave attention, or are just devoid of and reject any intellectual discussions as to why certain decisions were made. Because God forbid, such comments may lessen their perception of the infallible coach.

If the above three paragraphs haven’t shaken your foundations to the core, and made you reevaluate your positions, then go F off, but as always have a wonderful rainbow day.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I don't want everyone to stop criticizing Franklin...that's not accurate. I find the fanboy evaluations amusing.

You criticize all criticisms of Franklin from what I can tell. Which is as ridiculous as people criticizing Franklin all the time.

 

[Connorpozlee]

The weirdest parts of the above bolded truth are:

1. He never actually can explain anything related to coaching decisions, so it's not like he's just wowing us with his acquired coaching acumen and telling the non-coaching peons to shut up and sit down while he shows us how it's done. He's just sitting there pouting that no one should criticize because it's not fair, and he's going to throw a screaming tantrum until we stop; and,

2. He doesn't apply this same rationale to other walks of life. In areas where folks actually have learned and acquired expertise, and he has none, he will freely and often criticize what they're doing and suggest he knows the truth or the better way. Apparently only coaches have infallible logic that only other coaches can understand. All other complicated areas of interest are easily understood by the common man and are ripe for criticism.

Not to get into at all, but regarding point two he did that with me regarding the Sandusky situation.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Being in a relationship is not the same as being married, so it is accurate. And your mechanic example is not accurate because that’s something tangible that you can see is wrong. In the case of a coach, you get to criticize after the fact, but you have no way of knowing what would have happened had he done something different. 4th and short and the coach calls a running play that gets stuffed, he gets criticized for not passing when no one knows what would have happened had they passed. Also, the mechanic is the only one involved in your comparison….a coach can’t play in place of the players. Players have to do what they’re taught to do and if they don’t, that’s really not the coach’s fault. Bottom line is anyone who has coached before looks at things differently than those that haven’t because they’ve been in those positions before and know that sometimes things don’t go the way you worked on them. They also know you can’t make decisions after you know the results like fans can.

Your premises is that you think all criticisms occur after the fact is also not true. It may be what appears to be in here but I’m not sure how fans are suppose to criticize coaching decisions before they are made.
Also, the idea that coaches are never at fault if they’ve just told the players what to do and they don’t do it properly is silly. A great part of coaching is teaching them to not just do what you want them to do, but to do it the right way.

 

[CBusLion10]

Nope, that’s not accurate. Has that person been in a relationship before? If so, then they probably have a reasonable idea how a relationship works, whether there is a ring on their finger or not. I would buy your premise here if that person in their 20s had just emerged from a cave but assuming that person has lived in society and either been in a relationship or observed relationships for 20+ years, I don’t buy it.
The weirdness of marshall’s takes here is that unless you have coached you can’t criticize. It’s an ignorant stance. I’ve never been a mechanic but if I take my car in for an oil change and my car is dripping oil all over the place after I leave I don’t just sit back and say, “well, that doesn’t seem right but that mechanic changed my oil so I’m just going to continue to drive it because he must know better than me.” Does he know better than me about issues with my car overall? Absolutely. Did he screw up my oil change? Also absolutely.
Marshall wants everybody to sit quietly and accept everything a coach does as the right move. I guess this is because he must have been criticized at some point back when he was a high school football coach, but I don’t really know. But it’s a ridiculous stance.

As fans we are allowed to criticize, based on the results. Not because we would coach them up better, but because it's reasonable to have certain expectations of performance.

But I am with Marshall in that it's pretty laughable when a bunch of fans cry when we lose to a top10 ream on the road, or criticize individual play calls, especially after the fact when they didn't work. I understand the desire to do it, but people should see that it's ridiculous. Play calls are calculated risks, and a lot of them aren't going to work especially against tougher competition. When they don't and some blowhard says it was a "stupid call" or "that's why you don't run that play!" Or my favorite "why do we even try to run the ball up the middle?!?!" It's really ignorant. Part of football and kind of funny, and every fan has a right to be an ignorant blowhard but the fanbase would look better if the clown shows would keep it to themselves. My opinion.

 

[CBusLion10]

Nope, that’s not accurate. Has that person been in a relationship before? If so, then they probably have a reasonable idea how a relationship works, whether there is a ring on their finger or not. I would buy your premise here if that person in their 20s had just emerged from a cave but assuming that person has lived in society and either been in a relationship or observed relationships for 20+ years, I don’t buy it.
The weirdness of marshall’s takes here is that unless you have coached you can’t criticize. It’s an ignorant stance. I’ve never been a mechanic but if I take my car in for an oil change and my car is dripping oil all over the place after I leave I don’t just sit back and say, “well, that doesn’t seem right but that mechanic changed my oil so I’m just going to continue to drive it because he must know better than me.” Does he know better than me about issues with my car overall? Absolutely. Did he screw up my oil change? Also absolutely.
Marshall wants everybody to sit quietly and accept everything a coach does as the right move. I guess this is because he must have been criticized at some point back when he was a high school football coach, but I don’t really know. But it’s a ridiculous stance.

I like your oil change analogy, but oil dripping everywhere would be equivalent to a playcall where the offensive line pulls down their pants and ***** on the field. Doesn't take a coach to know that was a bad playcall. But we have fans whining that we ran counter into the boundary so yurcich is a moron and should be fired.

Don't get me wrong some of the clock management stuff I've seen over the years would be pretty close to shitting on the field

 

[Connorpozlee]

As fans we are allowed to criticize, based on the results. Not because we would coach them up better, but because it's reasonable to have certain expectations of performance.

But I am with Marshall in that it's pretty laughable when a bunch of fans cry when we lose to a top10 ream on the road, or criticize individual play calls, especially after the fact when they didn't work. I understand the desire to do it, but people should see that it's ridiculous. Play calls are calculated risks, and a lot of them aren't going to work especially against tougher competition. When they don't and some blowhard says it was a "stupid call" or "that's why you don't run that play!" Or my favorite "why do we even try to run the ball up the middle?!?!" It's really ignorant. Part of football and kind of funny, and every fan has a right to be an ignorant blowhard but the fanbase would look better if the clown shows would keep it to themselves. My opinion.

Yeah, I see the over the top criticisms. It seems foolish to me as well, but no more so than the criticism of fans because they were not coaches. And honestly, I have no idea who in here has been or who has not been a coach. This is all just barroom conversation to me.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I like your oil change analogy, but oil dripping everywhere would be equivalent to a playcall where the offensive line pulls down their pants and ***** on the field. Doesn't take a coach to know that was a bad playcall. But we have fans whining that we ran counter into the boundary so yurcich is a moron and should be fired.

Don't get me wrong some of the clock management stuff I've seen over the years would be pretty close to shitting on the field

That last paragraph is getting awfully close to thinking you know better than Franklin. Where did you ever coach?!?!
Instead of the mechanic, let’s try this. If I’ve been married for 25 years, you’ve been married for 5 years and my wife and I are going to a marriage therapist is your opinion completely invalid because you’re not a licensed marriage therapist? Or is it possible that you might have some completely helpful and logical advice that I might not get from the licensed therapist?

 

[BostonNit]

I'm trying but it's sooooo difficult to know more than D1 coaches and then post here how they've failed.

If you can't recognize/admit when Franklin has made some mistakes, perhaps your years of coaching haven't provided the sage insight you think they have. Again, no one expects any coach to be perfect. But commenting on areas of possible improvement on a discussion board is one of the reasons for being here for the vast majority of us. We chest pump where things go well and point out where they don't.

Otherwise, someone like you could just post "Franklin is perfect and infallible" and we could just come out every day and like the post. But that kinda defeats the purpose, no? Also, for the record, I've never once called for Franklin's dismissal. I like him as a head coach. But I still facepalm at things under his control that happen on the gridiron sometimes.

Have you ever had a political discussion with anyone? "Hey Trump is great" or "Hey Trump is horrible", etc.? Unless you served in elected office were your opinions valid or should you have just STFU?

Have you ever had a religious discussion without the benefit of being an ordained clergyman? Is that a reasonable discussion to have or should you have just STFU?

Have you ever not liked a meal you had at a restaurant because it was too salty/spicy/bland/etc.? Are those reasonable observations to make having never attended culinary school? Or should you just STFU and eat it because the chef knows better?

Have you ever decided where your retirement portfolio should be invested? Surely not, unless you've passed the Series 7 exam, right? Otherwise, just STFU and let a professional handle it. Oh, and if you do engage a broker and a particular stock drops, STFU because they know better. And geez, ya know if they didn't put you in that stock maybe another one may have dropped even more, so they saved your butt, right?

How is being a D-1 football coach the only profession where criticism should never be allowed unless you did it professionally? It's just a silly notion.

So unless one is interested in living a milquetoast existence, criticism is a normal part of life.

 

[blion72]

Ignore the parenthetic examples... I point out 6 major positives about Franklin and 5 negatives. In two of the negatives I note that things improved this year. LOL

i am with you on this. About the only thing that bothers me about James is some of the game risks he takes - whether 4th down situations or time management at end of half. Otherwise, I like the guy, and he has great values. He is a great face for the Penn State values. He has improved in many areas and is always learning and recruits great assistants - he is developing his own coaching tree. I think when he retires from PSU that he will have gone down as iconic. He walked into one of the most difficult situations ever for CFB coach and turned it around. the 2020-21 years were a series of just bad luck with the virus and lost players. combine that with the fact we compete in the toughest division in CFB, and he has a great track record.

compare JF to the situation that Mike Tomlin walked into in Pittsburgh. MT was handed the keys to a kingdom that almost any coach could have succeeded at the start. JF had the opposite.

 

[Tom_PSU]

If you can't recognize/admit when Franklin has made some mistakes, perhaps your years of coaching haven't provided the sage insight you think they have. Again, no one expects any coach to be perfect. But commenting on areas of possible improvement on a discussion board is one of the reasons for being here for the vast majority of us. We chest pump where things go well and point out where they don't.

Otherwise, someone like you could just post "Franklin is perfect and infallible" and we could just come out every day and like the post. But that kinds defeats the purpose, no? Also, for the record, I've never once called for Franklin's dismissal. I like him as a head coach. But I still facepalm at things under his control that happen on the gridiron sometimes.

Have you ever had a political discussion with anyone? "Hey Trump is great" or "Hey Trump is horrible", etc.? Unless you served in elected office were your opinions valid or should you have just STFU?

Have you ever had a religious discussion without the benefit of being an ordained clergyman? Is that a reasonable discussion to have or should you have just STFU?

Have you ever not liked a meal you had at a restaurant because it was too salty/spicy/bland/etc.? Are those reasonable observations to make having never attended culinary school? Or should you just STFU and eat it because the chef knows better?

Have you ever decided where your retirement portfolio should be invested? Surely not, unless you've passed the Series 7 exam, right? Otherwise, just STFU and let a professional handle it. Oh, and if you do engage a broker and a particular stock drops, STFU because they know better. And geez, ya know if they didn't put you in that stock maybe another one may have dropped even more, so they saved your butt, right?

How is being a D-1 football coach the only profession where criticism should never be allowed unless you did it professionally? It's just a silly notion.

So unless one is interested in living a milquetoast existence, criticism is a normal part of life.


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Actually that’s a good comparative analysis. Now the coaching professions retort is usually limited to and I paraphrase “There’s two things every man thinks he can do, operate a barbecue and coach football”. Which is usually followed by grunts of assent from Neanderthal followers. No profession or practitioners of same should be immune from “rational” criticism.

 

[Nitt1300]

No profession or practitioners of same should be immune from “rational” criticism.

and there's the rub

 

[CBusLion10]

That last paragraph is getting awfully close to thinking you know better than Franklin. Where did you ever coach?!?!
Instead of the mechanic, let’s try this. If I’ve been married for 25 years, you’ve been married for 5 years and my wife and I are going to a marriage therapist is your opinion completely invalid because you’re not a licensed marriage therapist? Or is it possible that you might have some completely helpful and logical advice that I might not get from the licensed therapist?

Absolutely possible that anyone can bring valuable perspective, regardless of experience, and it's an interesting or entertaining part of the discussion on this board. In your example: a teenager/novice calling the marriage counselor an idiot for suggesting xyz in a session...it's the teenager that's the idiot.

Brain farts deserve criticism. Lackluster player development also. Subpar recruiting. Horrible playcalls.

Going for it on 4th and 2 from opponent's 45 is not a brain fart, but when it fails holy hell does it bring out the teenagers.

 

[CBusLion10]

If you can't recognize/admit when Franklin has made some mistakes, perhaps your years of coaching haven't provided the sage insight you think they have. Again, no one expects any coach to be perfect. But commenting on areas of possible improvement on a discussion board is one of the reasons for being here for the vast majority of us. We chest pump where things go well and point out where they don't.

Otherwise, someone like you could just post "Franklin is perfect and infallible" and we could just come out every day and like the post. But that kinda defeats the purpose, no? Also, for the record, I've never once called for Franklin's dismissal. I like him as a head coach. But I still facepalm at things under his control that happen on the gridiron sometimes.

Have you ever had a political discussion with anyone? "Hey Trump is great" or "Hey Trump is horrible", etc.? Unless you served in elected office were your opinions valid or should you have just STFU?

Have you ever had a religious discussion without the benefit of being an ordained clergyman? Is that a reasonable discussion to have or should you have just STFU?

Have you ever not liked a meal you had at a restaurant because it was too salty/spicy/bland/etc.? Are those reasonable observations to make having never attended culinary school? Or should you just STFU and eat it because the chef knows better?

Have you ever decided where your retirement portfolio should be invested? Surely not, unless you've passed the Series 7 exam, right? Otherwise, just STFU and let a professional handle it. Oh, and if you do engage a broker and a particular stock drops, STFU because they know better. And geez, ya know if they didn't put you in that stock maybe another one may have dropped even more, so they saved your butt, right?

How is being a D-1 football coach the only profession where criticism should never be allowed unless you did it professionally? It's just a silly notion.

So unless one is interested in living a milquetoast existence, criticism is a normal part of life.


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This is a great perspective, I'd only add that we have to draw a line of what acceptable performance is. I'll avoid the politics and religion but oversalting food is a flub. Having oil spurting out of your engine, flub. Every single playcall Yurcich makes is him playing chess against the opposing DC and you can't win them all. If a call doesn't work, it doesn't make Yurcich a failure.

If your broker losses most of what you invested, flub. Criticize away. Fire the guy. But if you scream at your broker and think they suck, you know better, etc. because your portfolio went down in 2022 and how could they be so STUPID...we have some of that around here. Penn State's portfolio has been doing pretty well! Things are looking up!

 

[Connorpozlee]

Absolutely possible that anyone can bring valuable perspective, regardless of experience, and it's an interesting or entertaining part of the discussion on this board. In your example: a teenager/novice calling the marriage counselor an idiot for suggesting xyz in a session...it's the teenager that's the idiot.

Here is the point, maybe. Marshall treats everybody in here as if they are the teenager/novice while I am guessing many have personal experience with football. Playing on some level, maybe coaching on some level. Do I know schemes and systems as well as he does (assuming he actually was a high school football coach)? No way. Do I recognize when a team is lacking in certain aspects? Sure. Do I like going for it on the first drive of the game when it’s 4th and 2 from our own 45? Absolutely not. Im happy if it works but I don’t like it. So for me to criticize that has absolutely nothing to do with second guessing or anything like that. It has much to do with believing in a different style (Paterno’s style, honestly) where you show some faith in the defense to make a stop and get some better field position.

 

[CBusLion10]

Actually that’s a good comparative analysis. Now the coaching professions retort is usually limited to and I paraphrase “There’s two things every man thinks he can do, operate a barbecue and coach football”. Which is usually followed by grunts of assent from Neanderthal followers. No profession or practitioners of same should be immune from “rational” criticism.

Agreed, coaching professionals are not beyond reproach. But with a barbecue your opposition is the inanimate fire and now inanimate meat. Coaches are up against each other and only one winner.

 

[BostonNit]

So for me to criticize that has absolutely nothing to do with second guessing or anything like that.

Just remember you have to criticize things before they happen, as some have suggested. Otherwise it's just worthless Monday morning QB'ing.

IRL, please start sending your food back before it comes to your table. Otherwise, it's Monday morning QB'ing to note that it's salty when you actually taste it.

 

[BostonNit]

Agreed, coaching professionals are not beyond reproach. But with a barbecue your opposition is the inanimate fire and now inanimate meat. Coaches are up against each other and only one winner.

Only Bobby Flay can criticize BBQing. Please respect that.

 

[Tom_PSU]

and there's the rub

Ah yes old chap, there is the rub. Fortunately an overwhelming number of us I believe criticize rationally. The fringe group that complains about everything are, excuse my use of a scientific term “bat sh&& crazy”. Best to just ignore them without officially hitting the ignore button. That upholds our affirmation of the First Amendment.

The fringe group at the other side of the spectrum, are in the immortal words of Red in Shawshank Redemption. And once again I’m paraphrasing “They’s just institutionalized”.

 

[CBusLion10]

Here is the point, maybe. Marshall treats everybody in here as if they are the teenager/novice while I am guessing many have personal experience with football. Playing on some level, maybe coaching on some level. Do I know schemes and systems as well as he does (assuming he actually was a high school football coach)? No way. Do I recognize when a team is lacking in certain aspects? Sure. Do I like going for it on the first drive of the game when it’s 4th and 2 from our own 45? Absolutely not. Im happy if it works but I don’t like it. So for me to criticize that has absolutely nothing to do with second guessing or anything like that. It has much to do with believing in a different style (Paterno’s style, honestly) where you show some faith in the defense to make a stop and get some better field position.

Hey having a preference of style is totally fine by me, sounds like we're probably on the same page. And not liking a playcall is also fine by me. A first drive 4th and 2 attempt from our own 45? I don't like it and wouldn't call it, but I don't think it's flat out stupid.

I won't defend marshalls perspective without knowing exactly what it is, but to me fans thinking a playcall is stupid simply because it failed is ignorant. Rarely does anyone provide real rationale for WHY a playcall was actually "horrendous" because they can't, they just want to ***** and whine during a football game.

 

[CBusLion10]

Here is the point, maybe. Marshall treats everybody in here as if they are the teenager/novice while I am guessing many have personal experience with football. Playing on some level, maybe coaching on some level. Do I know schemes and systems as well as he does (assuming he actually was a high school football coach)? No way. Do I recognize when a team is lacking in certain aspects? Sure. Do I like going for it on the first drive of the game when it’s 4th and 2 from our own 45? Absolutely not. Im happy if it works but I don’t like it. So for me to criticize that has absolutely nothing to do with second guessing or anything like that. It has much to do with believing in a different style (Paterno’s style, honestly) where you show some faith in the defense to make a stop and get some better field position.

And for the record I absolutely love when somebody DOES provide valid criticism of a playcall.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Just remember you have to criticize things before they happen, as some have suggested. Otherwise it's just worthless Monday morning QB'ing.

IRL, please start sending your food back before it comes to your table. Otherwise, it's Monday morning QB'ing to note that it's salty when you actually taste it.

I’ll take the mushroom Swiss burger with fries and a Sierra Nevada on tap. Also, just take all that **** back when it’s done and redo it because the burger will be burnt, fries under cooked and the beer will be flat!