Haha fair enough but you rarely see anyone express disdain for a playcall after it yields a TD. Funny how that works.Just remember you have to criticize things before they happen, as some have suggested. Otherwise it's just worthless Monday morning QB'ing.
IRL, please start sending your food back before it comes to your table. Otherwise, it's Monday morning QB'ing to note that it's salty when you actually taste it.
Clifford was supposed to participate in the Hula Bowl yesterday.
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Yeah, we’re probably on the same page.
Your second paragraph is the reason I rarely engage in in-game threads.
Bull Sh$$, I’ve been angry many times when a play call resulted in a TD, and ruined the point spread.
Just keep in mind that the most common reason a play fails is lack of execution by one or more player(s). The next would be the defense jumping into an unexpected (front) on a run or (zone etc) on a pass. If the QB makes the wrong decision on a zone read....that is of course a poor call and poor coaching.....
Remember the bench Cliff...this season is worthless except for the purpose of giving experience to Allar? Franklin is loyal to a fault!!! Why didn't anyone point out that the likely reason Cliff was going to start was his skill and savvy pre snap? Apparently Allar wasn't as proficient.
It concerns me.....it should concern many. Getting the team into the right blocking scheme, perhaps the right play adjustment alignment, best side read, blitz recognition and knowing everyone's assignment in the final seconds before the snap may be more important than arm strength.
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I'm busy touring the USA and evaluating every bridge for design flaws. I love spending my time spewing out terms like "suspension" "truss" and "cantilever".... I drink a few beers and then I visit Bridge Web or write Bridge Builders Magazine and talk **** about the engineers.
Agreed there, I remember getting very frustrated at the amount of read options called during 2020 and especislly 2021 when Cliff had not exhibited the ability to execute them. Hey fixed it in 2022!
Defenses have been playing from "behind" for quite a few years, but eventually they catch up to offensive innovations.
Teams are getting very good at defending/confusing the QBs using things like scrape exchange and IMO the best way to play on the edge (be it DE or OLB) simply "squat down" with pads parallel and force the play inside, with RB plugged by the ILB.
Teams that come upfield usually make the QBs decision easier.
Connor most certainly would have known that if the mechanic tightened the filter it would not be leaking oil. So the comparison is reasonable.
Overall, your explanation of the dissimilarities are Poorly formulated and presented.
What’s silly is thinking that a coach didn’t teach someone to not do something just because they messed up and did it in a game. Do you think any coach teaches their players to miss blocks, jump offsides, drop a pass? They’re humans not video game players, they’re going to make mistakes that mess up a play that’s called or a defense that’s called. To blame coaches for every loss is just stupid.
How is the mechanic not tightening a filter and actually seeing the oil leak out a reasonable comparison to complaining about a coaching decision that didn’t work when you don’t know if another decision would have worked? It’s apples and watermelons.
I get what you're saying, criticizing a simple and glaring mistake is fair. On-field execution is more complicated, maybe poor coaching due to poor drills/practice time allocation/recruiting/development/ but more complex.
But the problem there is a coach can practice and run drills forever and the players could do it perfectly in practice week after week then mess up in a game. And it only takes one mess up to blow up a crucial play. That’s not something that practice can change. When I coached basketball, we practiced foul shooting all the time and we were the best foul shooting team in our conference. One game we couldn’t throw it in the ocean from the foul line and we lost. Of course, the parents blamed the coaches for not practicing foul shooting enough….they had no idea how much we practiced foul shooting, but it’s easier to blame the coaches than their own kids .
Do you think some coaches are better at teaching these skills than others? The way you’re saying it is that coaches just throw the basics out there to players and it is completely up to that player to put it into play. If it doesn’t work, it’s all the players fault and not the coaches’. Do you think it’s a coincidence Joe’s teams routinely jumped offsides less than almost all other teams in the NCAA? Was he just fortunate that he managed to get guys that listened when he and his staff told them not to jump offsides or do you think there was something to his coaching emphasis that played into that?
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So my question is it’s okay to criticize Franklin endlessly, but it’s not okay to defend him…why is that? Are the critics better fans? If you defend him then you’re just a fanboy, but if you criticize then you must be a football expert.
Most of the people who criticize him. Posters on here jump on Marshall’s a$$ or mine because we choose to defend him.
I see endless criticism of Franklin on this board and then when someone jumps to defend him, they get criticized as a fanboy or someone who thinks Franklin does no wrong. There are many times during a game I question his decisions at the time the play is starting, but I can also say more often than not I end up being wrong. Like a third and short and they drop back for a pass and I’m upset because they’re not running and then the pass is complete. I don’t see too many posters coming on here and saying “I thought we should have done this, but Franklin’s decision was right and I was wrong”….and I’m quite certain that happens to everyone frequently.
Which is why you can't get mad at your broker for recommending a crap stock, right? I mean I'm sure he's right because a stock he didn't recommend dropped more.
Scroll back a page or so. In one of my posts I noted 6 positives about Franklin and 5 negatives. Of the negatives I even noted that 2 of them were better this year than in the past.
Fumi marshall noted how *negative* I was being. That is the essence of this whole discussion.
Defending Franklin is fine. Mocking other posters because they criticize Franklin is not defending Franklin.
Marshall is unwilling to admit that he is not an all-knowing, all seeing judgement of coaching prowess. He is far, far to one extreme and fails to see the irony in his stance.
I am unfamiliar with your specific support and/or criticism of CJF. It is nowhere near the level of insanity of Marshall. Moreover. He also cites and denigrates other professions as being Neanderthals (e.g. plumbers). That’s even more irony. Case in point: he has very vocally expressed disgust and disappointment with the BOT handling of joepa and the entire Sandusky ordeal? What qualifies him to make such a harsh judgment? He has no idea of the incredibly complex decision making that must be made by those board members <heavy sarcasm here>. I’ve never served on a BOard but I am 100% certain that they F’ed it up beyond compare. A tenth grader could have made better decisions than they did.
Other posters have pointed out his jaundiced and illogical view points countless times. He digs in even further and greatly finishes the value of his viewpoint.
Here's a salient example for this discussion... Penn State vs Purdue this year.
Purdue HC Jeff Brohm pretty much single handedly stole defeat from the jaws of victory in that game with his late-game play calling.
Somehow managed to burn a grand total of about a minute and a half off the clock in two late (or was it three?) fourth quarter drives. I'm pretty sure we even took a timeout to the locker room that game. That's *how* atrocious his play calling was.
Yes, the Purdue kids didn't execute and complete simple pass plays that would've kept the clock running. Yes, Penn State played great pass defense in those late drives which may have lead to some of those incomplete passes.
But the reality is he could've run fullback dives 6 times and punted twice and it would've most likely burned enough clock that Cliffy's heroic drive would never have happened.
Don't have to be a HS football coach to realize that was atrocious clock management. I was at the game and the Purdue fans were losing their **** the entire last 5 minutes of the game.
Now maybe, just maybe, I had seats in the Indiana Retired HS Football Coach Association's section and their criticism was valid. Or maybe, laypeople can have valid observations about football, just like every other aspect of our lives that we're passionate about.
And no, before anyone goes there, the fact that Louisville just opened the checkbook for Brohm for a huge long term contract doesn't invalidate criticism of his ginormous brain fart in the 4th quarter of that game.
And yes, Franklin out coached his opponent that game. But that doesn't invalidate all criticism of him ever.
Purdue HC Jeff Brohm pretty much single handedly stole defeat from the jaws of victory in that game with his late-game play calling.
Somehow managed to burn a grand total of about a minute and a half off the clock in two late (or was it three?) fourth quarter drives. I'm pretty sure we even took a timeout to the locker room that game. That's *how* atrocious his play calling was.
Yes, the Purdue kids didn't execute and complete simple pass plays that would've kept the clock running. Yes, Penn State played great pass defense in those late drives which may have lead to some of those incomplete passes.
But the reality is he could've run fullback dives 6 times and punted twice and it would've most likely burned enough clock that Cliffy's heroic drive would never have happened.
Don't have to be a HS football coach to realize that was atrocious clock management. I was at the game and the Purdue fans were losing their **** the entire last 5 minutes of the game.
Now maybe, just maybe, I had seats in the Indiana Retired HS Football Coach Association's section and their criticism was valid. Or maybe, laypeople can have valid observations about football, just like every other aspect of our lives that we're passionate about.
And no, before anyone goes there, the fact that Louisville just opened the checkbook for Brohm for a huge long term contract doesn't invalidate criticism of his ginormous brain fart in the 4th quarter of that game.
And yes, Franklin out coached his opponent that game. But that doesn't invalidate all criticism of him ever.
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This made me think back to the Penn State - Miami game of many years ago.
Rashard Casey and Kevin Thompson were alternating at QB. Casey played better that game. For the last critical drive, out trots Thompson under center. I was throwing stuff at the TV. Then Thompson dropped the dime to Chafie Fields and we won.
I stopped complaining although to this day I still think it was the wrong personnel call for that day given their play to that point.
So ya, it happens.
Haha ya it does. I remember being in the stands for the 2005 win over OSU and seeing the Derrick Williams TD play unfold and not liking the call until the blocking somehow unfolded like clockwork, he sped past AJ Hawk to the edge and into the end zone and the heavens opened up and the angels sang and I was so happy to be wrong.
3:47 here if you want to relive it
I remember Hawk seriously underestimating DWill's speed and taking a bad angle. Very obvious when they showed it from the end zone view.
Humans not computer components. I've experienced having a play blown up....because the most intelligent player on the field, froze and simply became a spectator on a play we had executed properly almost two dozen times previously in that very game.
Reason? Perhaps he got kicked in the head.....maybe his girlfriend waved at him.....thinking about the free hotdogs the boosters delivered to the locker room after the game? No, bad play call.....poor coaching.
We deserve better.....Purdue deserves better....and now Louisville deserves better
Fumi....how cute. How revealing of your character to smear Coach's wife in an effort to somehow lash out at me. What's next his daughters?
We get it. Never the coaches fault. Coaches always make the right call, on both sides of the field. If only the damn kids would execute properly!
An intelligent fan/observer would in fact know and acknowledge that it is more about the "damn kids" (players) on both sides of the field than the coaches. Coaches and officials are merely the easy target for the frustrated and ignorant.
Your post I responded to came off completely as, “Not my fault”. Is it ever a coach’s fault?
I think the vast, vast majority in here know that coaches mess up sometimes and sometimes coaches do things right and players screw up. There are a small handful on one side that seem to think everything is Franklin’s fault. And there is you on the other side who seems to think he can do no wrong. Both are bad takes, in my opinion.
Actually, it would be more accurate to state that most posts here criticizing Franklin are unfounded and unfair. Therefore, IMO most criticism of Franklin here is unfounded.
As to the post you responded inappropriately to....it clearly pointed to one specific game, one specific play that I cited as an example of failure being the result of an inexplicable brain freeze by a player. It stands in my memory since it cost the team a win (on the 1 yard line). In the last 10 seconds. Perhaps physical or mental fatigue.
Unlike you and your enlightened allies, I try (mostly) to avoid always and never.
In fact, I believe more than once I have written, coaches, players and officials make mistakes.....fanboys are never wrong. Loses are not always tied to poor coaching or execution. The opponent can actually outplay you. An officials decision or an ill timed turnover can be the difference. Think about the MLB pitcher who hurls a no hitter and on the next outing gets shelled. Who's fault? The pitching coach, the manager, the catcher.....must be the umpire. Or, perhaps he didn't have his best "stuff."
These athletes are human. They don't always perform up to their collective "star" ratings.
Yet, the vigilantes cry Marshall ...."never the coaches fault......" butt hurt or poor reading comprehension?
I like Fumi and her "stand by your man" Tammy Wynette-ness. It's cute.
You must not have much esteem if you think that was a smear. And kids are off limits. Always.
The mocking is for posters who act like they know more than Franklin. I also mock those that have selective memory about our past and judge Franklin based on unrealistic expectations….I don’t mock just because they criticize.
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