Clifford was supposed to participate in the Hula Bowl yesterday.

[VaDave4PSU]

I will say their fan(boy)s were losing their minds in the stadium as this played out

Losing always sucks and leads to second guessing. Do you think they would have taken the loss easier had they run up the gut 3 times and punted before losing?

Some plays warrent second guessing more than others. Carroll and Co opting to throw on x and goal from the 1 with Lynch in the back field is one thing; wondering why pass happy Purdue didn't run more with 6 minutes left is another.

 

[BostonNit]

One could argue that Purdue lost primarily because of the chop block. Things were looking pretty bleak for PSU and the 15 yard penalty flipped the field rather quickly.

Actually, one can't argue that.

After the chop block, Purdue threw two more incompletions and ended up punting to the PSU 27 after burning a grand total of 14 seconds off the clock. There was 4:50 left and we had 2 TOs. A challenge, but far from bleak.

PSU then went three and out, and Purdue got the ball again. After a six play drive consisting of 2 completions, 1 run, and 3 incompletions, Purdue punted into the endzone giving Penn State the ball on the 20. Things looked far more bleak from the 20 with 2:22 and 1 TO left than they did with the ball on the 27 with 4:50 and 2 TOs left.

Happily it all worked out for the good guys.

 

[BostonNit]

Losing always sucks and leads to second guessing. Do you think they would have taken the loss easier had they run up the gut 3 times and punted before losing?

But would they even had lost if you replace two incompletions taking 8 seconds with two runs taking 88 seconds? FYI we were still on our own 43 yard line with 90 seconds to go in the game.

Food for thought and fun conjecture. Not sure why everyone's panties are so bunched up.

 

[BostonNit]

Serious question: Doesn't anyone know how to coach this game?

Coach? Yes of course. Infallibly? No.

 

[CBusLion10]

After seeing Penn State let those 4th quarter leads slip away against OSU, Ifind myself wanting aggressive playcalls on 2nd/3rd down when protecting a lead against them.

Maybe Purdue had been burned before with the conservative approach, thought their defense was tired, or knew old man Cliff had something up his sleeve and wanted to preserve some time for their own offense at the very end of the game.

Said (mostly) TIC.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

But would they even had lost if you replace two incompletions taking 8 seconds with two runs taking 88 seconds? FYI we were still on our own 43 yard line with 90 seconds to go in the game.

Food for thought and fun conjecture. Not sure why everyone's panties are so bunched up.

Impossible to tell. You probably eliminate one of our drives, but the sense of urgency would have been similar for both teams at the end. Unless they could have scored or run the time out, it doesn't matter about the 2 hypothetical runs. Your panties are just as bunched arguing for it, aren't they? Or is it only those who disagree with you?

Again, if there was 2 minutes on the clock and Brohm throws 3 times while we have 0 time outs and he could have burnt 75% of that time by running, that's one thing. It wasn't quite that.

I'm far from a Franklin Defender, but the net sum of what you are arguing for is we have 1 less possession total. Still doesn't change the crunch time, do or die possession that SC led. Had that one failed, Brohm definitely 3 runs it.

 

[BostonNit]

FYI, prior to their last two drives when they had the lead, they had thrown the ball 39 times and run the ball 20 times. Not even a ratio of 2-1.

Those two drives, when milking clock could've iced the game, they threw 13 times and ran 1 time.

If ths doesn't qualify as fair criticism of a coach I don't know what does, but I'm sure you guys will tell me.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

FYI, prior to their last two drives when they had the lead, they had thrown the ball 39 times and run the ball 20 times. Not even a ratio of 2-1.

Those two drives, when milking clock could've iced the game, they threw 13 times and ran 1 time.

If ths doesn't qualify as fair criticism of a coach I don't know what does, but I'm sure you guys will tell me.

Your stats are a little off I believe. 59 total passes by Purdue. 7 on their last drive, after our TD. That's 52. 5 on the drive prior to our TD. That's 47. 6 on the drive previous to that (which is when they got the chop block penalty). That's 41 but its 3 drives, not 2. Maybe you are counting the pass plays with penalties that don't count? Ah, irrelevant.

I fully understand your point. After our time out at the 2:50 mark, Purdue had 2nd and 6 after a run. Brohm probably should have run again here, but I believe you said we still had another time out. I can understand him riding AOCs arm because given 3 throws he was usually producing a 1st down.

We scored in 1:25, so they needed 2 first downs and running clock to ice it. Put yourself back in that place with his roster. Who are you trusting there? Clifford didn't have a history of game winning drives either. He was as likely to throw another INT.

 

[BW Lion]

Awful post, even for you.

Are you related to @NoSoup4U ?

Or is the “No” at the front of your monikers just a coincidence?

 

[BostonNit]

Your stats are a little off I believe. 59 total passes by Purdue. 7 on their last drive, after our TD. That's 52. 5 on the drive prior to our TD. That's 47. 6 on the drive previous to that (which is when they got the chop block penalty). That's 41 but its 3 drives, not 2. Maybe you are counting the pass plays with penalties that don't count? Ah, irrelevant.

I fully understand your point. After our time out at the 2:50 mark, Purdue had 2nd and 6 after a run. Brohm probably should have run again here, but I believe you said we still had another time out. I can understand him riding AOCs arm because given 3 throws he was usually producing a 1st down.

We scored in 1:25, so they needed 2 first downs and running clock to ice it. Put yourself back in that place with his roster. Who are you trusting there? Clifford didn't have a history of game winning drives either. He was as likely to throw another INT.

You're absolutely right the stats are off a little. Because while he called and they attempted a pass, the plays didn't count in the final tally. So make it 11 pass plays to 1 run in the two drives they needed to burn clock, and 41 passes and 20 runs prior to that point so just over 2-1.

It is however 2 drives not 3 that he should've been burning clock after they took the lead. It goes without saying that they should've been throwing on their last possession after we scored.

Here are the drives I have been talking about with all the incomplete passes ...



And yes a banged up Cliffy happily surprised us all!

 

[Ludd]

Except barring a muffed snap or something similar there was probably a 99% chance we don't even get the ball back for that last drive had he turtled up.

And if you want to play "ya but...", maybe with everyone stacking the line, the back breaks thru for a long TD and it becomes a two score game.

Was it Woody who said "When you throw the ball there are three things that can happen and two of them are bad"? In certain instances that still runs true despite the wide open nature of today's game.

Or the back fumbles and we get it back…we can play this all day.

 

[marshall23]

Coach? Yes of course. Infallibly? No.

Closer to infallible?......An actual division one football coach or you?

 

[Ludd]

I honestly don’t know who you are. Have you been on here for awhile? Changed usernames? A Marshall puppet account? The username is new to me.
Again, having differences of opinion are fine. Having different levels of knowledge are also fine. Calling other fans “fanboys” and whatnot is childish but harmless.

Yep, been on here since the start…switched over from the other board….still post on that board too.

 

[Ludd]

I agree with this in large part. But the fans are fans, not coaches. I don’t expect fans to have the same level of knowledge as somebody who has coached the game.
when do you think it is fair to judge a coach? 9 years?

End of a season…did he have a good year….when the bad years start outnumbering the good years, then it’s time for a change.

 

[Ludd]

And that's why you're in the PA HS coaching Hall of Fame and I'm forever relegated to being a knuckle-dragging Luddite.

Hey, watch what you say about Luddites.

 

[marshall23]

Or the back fumbles and we get it back…we can play this all day.

Depends who has the chalk last. He'd have run the ball at 3rd and 25. Had Franklin done that he'd still be crying about it in 2030. Also, if Purdue had not completed some passes for first downs....they might not have had 13-14 plays. But let's not confuse fanboys with the details.

 

[Connorpozlee]

End of a season…did he have a good year….when the bad years start outnumbering the good years, then it’s time for a change.

For the record, I’m not a “fire Franklin” guy, so let’s be clear about that. But it’s more than that though, isn’t it? Is 8-4 a good season? 10-2? It all depends upon the standard of a particular program. 8-4 at Temple is great. 10-2 at Alabama is a catastrophe these days. And it also depends upon the talent in the roster, which is also the responsibility of the head coach.

 

[Ludd]

Or with everyone stacked at the line the FB breaks thru for a long one and they go up by 2 scores.

Or even if not a long run, they get a 1st down and burn another 2 mins without having to punt and there's only one drive and not two.

I get it, none of us know, but does anyone agree passing the ball on nearly every down when you have a lead late in the game is the *best* strategy?

If that’s your team’s strength, then you go with your strength to win. I’m sure Brohm had a reason for doing it and the reason wasn’t stupidity.

 

[Ludd]

For the record, I’m not a “fire Franklin” guy, so let’s be clear about that. But it’s more than that though, isn’t it? Is 8-4 a good season? 10-2? It all depends upon the standard of a particular program. 8-4 at Temple is great. 10-2 at Alabama is a catastrophe these days. And it also depends upon the talent in the roster, which is also the responsibility of the head coach.

I agree…the people in charge need to analyze the season and whether it was a success…that should never be a job for the fans. If 8-4 is acceptable to the school, then that’s the baseline. Bottom line, it’s stupid to criticize a coach because he called a bad play on third down in one game of an 11-2 season…but it happens on here and those are the posts I make fun of.

 

[Ludd]

Coach? Yes of course. Infallibly? No.

Nobody does anything perfectly in hindsight.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

10-2 at Alabama is a catastrophe these days

Catastrophe to who though? Their spoiled fan base?

They were on the edge of making the playoff with 2 losses because of perception. Far from a catastrophe.

 

[BostonNit]

End of a season…did he have a good year….when the bad years start outnumbering the good years, then it’s time for a change.

He and the team had a great year and I love the trajectory we're on after two disastrous seasons.

I've never called for his dismissal. Ever.

It's like the political saying that my 80% friend is better than my 100% enemy. And I approve of way more than 80% of Franklin's work. But that doesn't mean I and others won't discuss areas where we dislike his work on... wait for it... a discussion board.

 

[BostonNit]

Closer to infallible?......An actual division one football coach or you?

You are closer than me, Franklin, any other BWI poster, Lombardi, Shula, Noll, Belichick, or anyone else to ever prowl the sidelines. There, I said it.

Move on.

 

[BostonNit]

Depends who has the chalk last. He'd have run the ball at 3rd and 25. Had Franklin done that he'd still be crying about it in 2030. Also, if Purdue had not completed some passes for first downs....they might not have had 13-14 plays. But let's not confuse fanboys with the details.

2-1 pass/run ratio and the lead going into the last 2 drives.

11-1 pass/run ratio those two drives and lost.

The Purdue fans are celebrating his brilliance.

 

[BostonNit]

Nobody does anything perfectly in hindsight.

And it's impossible to evaluate in foresight.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Catastrophe to who though? Their spoiled fan base?

They were on the edge of making the playoff with 2 losses because of perception. Far from a catastrophe.

I would guess to Saban. Catastrophe was hyperbole the but premise remains. I don’t think he’s looking at 10-2, non-playoff seasons as a success. Alabama pays for and expects the playoffs every year.

 

[BostonNit]

Hey, watch what you say about Luddites.

I know the Luddite secret handshake (actually it's a secret knuckle bump) and they've embraced me.

 

[MacNit]

Closer to infallible?......An actual division one football coach or you?

Who called the pay at Indiana during COVID that the PSU running back scored instead of taking a knee?

Franklin or BostonNit?

 

[bbrown]

2-1 pass/run ratio and the lead going into the last 2 drives.

11-1 pass/run ratio those two drives and lost.

The Purdue fans are celebrating his brilliance.

You guys are still arguing/slap fighting over this?

 

[BostonNit]

Who called the pay at Indiana during COVID that the PSU running back scored instead of taking a knee?

Franklin or BostonNit?

I texted it to Franklin but the responsibility / blame is fully mine.

I also failed to make sure everyone on the field was crystal clear that they were not to score.

My bad.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I texted it to Franklin but the responsibility / blame is fully mine.

I also failed to make sure everyone on the field was crystal clear that they were not to score.

My bad.

It’s not your fault, it’s all on the player. Coaches don’t really have any effect on the game.

 

[marshall23]

2-1 pass/run ratio and the lead going into the last 2 drives.

11-1 pass/run ratio those two drives and lost.

The Purdue fans are celebrating his brilliance.

Purdue fans can celebrate whatever they wish..... Brohm got a six year guaranteed 36 million from Louisville. I guess someone likes his play calling.

 

[marshall23]

I texted it to Franklin but the responsibility / blame is fully mine.

I also failed to make sure everyone on the field was crystal clear that they were not to score.

My bad.

9 more years guaranteed 63 million. Why does he care? LOL
Perhaps James was distracted checking his bank deposit?
Imagine what he'd make if he could coach like you experts?
The best part is he'll get a salary increase if he wins 11 again this year. Oh, the pain. I can't wait.

 

[marshall23]

I would guess to Saban. Catastrophe was hyperbole the but premise remains. I don’t think he’s looking at 10-2, non-playoff seasons as a success. Alabama pays for and expects the playoffs every year.

Fans have always had a portal.....

 

[marshall23]

Losing always sucks and leads to second guessing. Do you think they would have taken the loss easier had they run up the gut 3 times and punted before losing?

Some plays warrent second guessing more than others. Carroll and Co opting to throw on x and goal from the 1 with Lynch in the back field is one thing; wondering why pass happy Purdue didn't run more with 6 minutes left is another.

Dance with who brung you!

 

[marshall23]

Who called the pay at Indiana during COVID that the PSU running back scored instead of taking a knee?

Franklin or BostonNit?

Think about why you or anyone would care? 2020? I know the RB was told not to score.....he looked immediately at the sideline when he stepped into the end zone. Didn't anyone consult with you before they gave Coach a big fat contract......which came after his alleged coaching error? They didn't? I wonder why? Perhaps because no one in a decision making capacity at Penn State gives a rat's *** what you think? Yep, I'll bet that's it.
Do you think they should fire the Bengals Coach? Cleary he didn't do a good job coaching and impressing his players not to hit the quarterback out of bounds. That never would have happened on your watch Knute.
But if it makes you happy to blame Franklin for every loss that happened since he arrived ....good for you. You have perhaps a dozen couch coaching experts here to bolster your arguments. See what changes it brings.
9 more years .It's so exciting to know the pain and suffering you have in your future.......bring on the collective coaching wisdom of every fanboy here ......which totals ?......LOL

WE DESERVE BETTER

 

[marshall23]

It’s not your fault, it’s all on the player. Coaches don’t really have any effect on the game.

Apparently at PSU, football coaches only lose games. It's hard to explain, but the evidence is right here on this site.
They play not to lose, they don't coach situational football and they didn't have a backup quarterback ready ......hang on there are more....... well clock management.....we can quote chapter and verse.
There is little hope for a coach who never thought of things like practicing with artificial noise before an away game or ignores opportunities to make his players "mentally tough." I mean why do we have to think of everything?

 

[Connorpozlee]

Fans have always had a portal.....

I have no idea what that means.

 

[Ludd]

He and the team had a great year and I love the trajectory we're on after two disastrous seasons.

I've never called for his dismissal. Ever.

It's like the political saying that my 80% friend is better than my 100% enemy. And I approve of way more than 80% of Franklin's work. But that doesn't mean I and others won't discuss areas where we dislike his work on... wait for it... a discussion board.

But there is a right way to discuss it and a wrong way…too many on here choose the wrong way.

 

[Ludd]

And it's impossible to evaluate in foresight.

But that’s what coaches have to do while also trying to guess what the other guy is doing…see the difficulty?