If you speak to the Georgia fans of my age, they will tell you two things.
1. They like Richt. He was a man with standards.
2. Kirby has no such inhabitations.
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1. They like Richt. He was a man with standards.
2. Kirby has no such inhabitations.
What if you ask the BWICIC or whatever you call it about Franklin ? You getting an honest insight there ?If you speak to the Georgia fans of my age, they will tell you two things.
1. They like Richt. He was a man with standards.
2. Kirby has no such inhabitations.
Here's a thought....since PSU won the National Championship in 1986, how many Big Ten Member teams have won the national championship? Yep that damn Franklin is holding Penn State back.
I didn't go on any Georgia website. In the approximately 35 years since PSU upset Miami....the Big Ten has a whopping 2 national titles.....with Michigan sharing one. Poor coaching.
Marshall is unyielding in his support as a fan. It’s admirable. Hope he’s well!
Since it’s basically four of us recycling the same talking points over and over (and it’s been much more enjoyable with the new additions to Ignore!) time for me to give air to the other, more deserving threads on this board.
I think the next two years are Franklin’s best chance to make the CFP and collect another B1G Championship. And I hope he does. Onward….
PSU's recruiting class rankings from 1994-1997 ... 7, 6, 4 and 4. AP final rankings in 1995-1998 (frosh typically didn't do much under JoePa, so I gave it a 1-year lag) ... 13, 7, 16 and 17.
Did he forget how to coach for 4 years? I mean, we should have had 3-4 Nattys during that time period if he was able to coach above his team's talent level, right?
Before, as part of your never-ending anti-Franklin campaign, you complained about how much Franklin was being paid per year.
Then, when he righted the ship and we finished strong, you suddenly didn't care about how much he was making, because other coaches "suddenly" were making more (it wasn't sudden, but it suddenly became relevant, apparently).
Then you started complaining about how much he made, again, for some odd reason. When reminded you had already admitted that didn't matter, you tried to regroup and you shifted your complaints to Franklin's behavior regarding contract negotiations.
Remember when you referenced TiogaLion's post about how Franklin's renegotiations ruin his recruiting classes because players don't know if he's going or staying?
Now, apparently, you want Franklin on a very short contract, where the players definitely won't know if he'll be there for long, and, in another post, you talk about how other programs pull in stud recruiting classes in years when they're switching coaches.
You just keep contradicting yourself. You're trolling. You're just trying out new reasons to attack Franklin and justify your dislike for the guy, seeing what will actually stick so you can use it going forward.
Depends on the recruit….it also depends on how other coaches use the possibility of that coach leaving. Better to get rid of that possibility altogether.
The market is what it is. I hate long term contracts but I also don’t care for people pretending he hasn’t been good for PSU. It’s just not the case.
I think the ‘97-‘99 years were the most disappointing as far as what occurred vs. what could have been.
Also think it provides a clear delineation in a drop in the level of success (to x degree) by his teams.
He did turn 70 after the ‘96 season. Father Time gets everyone.
I'm an old timer and likely wouldn't live long enough for me to make a list of all the things I hate about football today.
I played in the mid 60s till 71 and retired from coaching in 1986. There are some good things too.....hell I'm so old when I started playing we weren't given water on the field. LOL
But I think James Franklin has done a masterful job of keeping the important cornerstones of Joe's Foundation while bringing the program into focus with today's game and generation.
This has been a much greater task considering the scars of sanctions and related issues......and also dealing with many alums, fans and former players that are still pissed (and rightfully so) because of what the BOT did to Joe.
I am hopeful that the attitude of the new president and the AD will see a time when Sue is asked onto the field and given the recognition she (Joe) have so long been denied.
I think, in the subsequent years, his recruiting classes were worse, and the results were better.
I was using that to illustrate the randomness of recruiting classes to results over short time periods. Lots of variables that don’t point to a coach being better or worse than the talent he’s bringing in.
He checks most of the boxes but needs to get over the hump. People can say they don’t like the length, but has he bailed last year PSU may not have had Allar, Carter, and the 2 RB’s along with everyone else in that class.
There is no perfect coach and at least with NIL you can attempt to level the field at the top. The problem is you are killing everything else off below the p5 schools. They are now feeder programs via the portal. The old way looked the other way at the pay for play so there is no perfect middle ground unfortunately.
Well, I think there will be some legislation or rules after everything gets sorted out. The MAC like schools are losing their premier. proven players to the G5, but it does appear that they are getting the transfers from the G5 that couldn't see the field. So perhaps its an *** backwards way of correcting itself?
Look, James is not perfect. You should be in a room with me during games. I'm a wild man. I'm very opinionated how the game should be played. But, after it all settles down, I look at who he is......a great representative of PSU, articulate, dedicated, caring and hard working. He wins at a more than reasonable rate.
I honestly think Joe would be proud of how he runs the program.
I've had a few interactions with him and I know he's a really good guy.
With all these record comparisons to Joe's early years, has anyone considered how much tougher the Big 10 is now compared to then and the teams Joe faced?
Growing up, the Big 10 was aptly named the Big 2 and little 8. No one other than Ohio State won the Big 10. The Game decided the Big 10 every year.
Since the 10-year war, 1969-1978, Ohio State and Michigan have each won a national championship. Michigan in 1997. Their first since 1949 I believe.
Since 1978, in addition to Ohio State and Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, and EVEN Northwestern have played in the Rose Bowl.
Those programs have generally improved over their little 8 days and every now and then are quite competitive evidenced by their Rose Bowl appearances.
Honestly, in Joe's first nine seasons, Pitt was a doormat. What did West Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse, Army, Navy, and Maryland ever win?
In comparing Franklin's first nine years versus Joe's, the competition is much, much tougher now and Joe didn't face both Ohio State and Michigan every year like Franklin has.
You're not comparing apples-to-apples, but rather tangerines to grapefruits.
Growing up, the Big 10 was aptly named the Big 2 and little 8. No one other than Ohio State won the Big 10. The Game decided the Big 10 every year.
Since the 10-year war, 1969-1978, Ohio State and Michigan have each won a national championship. Michigan in 1997. Their first since 1949 I believe.
Since 1978, in addition to Ohio State and Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, and EVEN Northwestern have played in the Rose Bowl.
Those programs have generally improved over their little 8 days and every now and then are quite competitive evidenced by their Rose Bowl appearances.
Honestly, in Joe's first nine seasons, Pitt was a doormat. What did West Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse, Army, Navy, and Maryland ever win?
In comparing Franklin's first nine years versus Joe's, the competition is much, much tougher now and Joe didn't face both Ohio State and Michigan every year like Franklin has.
You're not comparing apples-to-apples, but rather tangerines to grapefruits.
Joe won five major bowls in his first nine years; has nothing to do with regular season schedule.
Did you actually tell me to stay on topic? You are the master of constantly trying to change the terms of the discussion.
You made some very strong, valid points about Frankie’s positives, of which there are many, but I highly doubt Joe would approve of the shenanigans Frankie pulled to obtain his “new” contract extension when he was already under a long term contract
This content is offensive. You can make your post without the explicit ageism and poorly veiled racism.
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Yes, "Frankie" is the only coach who wants long term security and has renegotiated. You don't get out much.
You deserve Harbaugh. I don't care if he negotiates every single year. How does that impact you?
Funny how contract issues are so "distracting." Yet Allar, Singleton, Allen and Carter all stuck with "Frankie."
Fanboys want to blame 2021 WL record on "Frankie" renegotiating.....LOL it had nothing to do with injuries....or other teams just flat out being better.
Here's a thought......"fanboy" , "Franklie" didn't hold a gun to anyone's head. If the real decision makers didn't think he was worth it.....he wouldn't have it. What you think about "Frankie," and his contract is your problem. Go root for Nebraska, Wisky, OSU, MSU, Iowa ......oops those coaches are all making as much or more. LOL LOL LOL
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Thank you for your emotional rant marshall23, I see you cannot substantively argue the point that what Frankie did is wrong - and he makes no apologies for it
First off, I find you referencing Coach Franklin as "Frankie" extremely disrespectful.
I have not seen you Call Coach Paterno "Joey."
You need to ask yourself what is at the root of that. It makes me suspicious of your real intent. I don't care to engage people like you.
I very aggressively I might add, attacked BigWill a few years ago for call Frankie a name, I was a strong supporter of Frankie back then, still see his strong points, but as the leader and face of the program, he must have standards and fundamental principals, not only when it is convenient, but when it is inconvenient.
I’m hindsight, Frankie did not like the deal he struck, saw other programs paying coaches with similar performance more than he was making, with good not great or “elite”, hired a new agent - Sexton - who is famous fur pushing SEC coaches pay and perks to unheard of levels and pulled the stunt he did with an inept AD and president ( plus from what I have read on this Den, a senior Board member ). Are those individuals truly to blame ? Yes. Will Kraft be played in such a fashion. I doubt it.
None of that matters however as it was ultimately Frankie’s decision.
Trying to criticize Franklin based on comparisons to things that happened 70 years ago is FAR more offensive.
What "Frankie" did wasn't wrong in the least, and it doesn't matter what Patty did or would think of it.
No. You imagine that all criticism of Franklin is racist. It isn't. Your post is blatant racism and ageism. It is offensive and has no place here.
Yikes, dude. You’ve gone off the deep end. There’s no implication of racism in my post. Guilty conscience?
Ageism? Maybe, if you’re stuck in the past and it’s considered ageism to point that out. Then, sure.
"Local farm boys" ... You know what you meant and everyone who read it knows it too. Its bad and you do it all the time. Shameful.
@contentphillydad This board is much more enjoyable if you ignore that guy. It’s the same rant with the same insults to anyone who dare disagree with him. He adds nothing. Ignore him and not only is this board more enjoyable, but your IQ will go up too. And it’ll cut down the reading by half since he has to chime in constantly with his drivel.
Has anyone ever seen Moogy and Marshall in the same place? Hmmm...
You have 2 posts in this thread, I think ... and both are personal attacks. Try contributing.
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