We are not special (better than Minnesota, but not special). Our wideouts are pedestrian. Franklin is not a good game day coach. We are on the road. We are soft and undisciplined. Enough for you?
Get Rid of Franklin
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I’d go back to JoePa level results in a heartbeat.
Allar is overrated (he played hard, but is overrated)…to be fair, he has MAC-level
Wideouts.
Franklin was brought in with the notion that he's an exceptional recruiter. He hasn't done that with skill players.
Hey a$$hole… where did it say that I am ok with mediocrity? Give me a name that the BOT and Happy Valley United would BOTH be good with dropping a $150 million to get?
Here is what I do not understand: this is USC. THEY have a MAJOR college football program.
Any head coach could go in there and win 9-10 games every year beating cupcakes, and then losing 2-3 games to tough opponents.
Why is anyone acting like this is a special or desirable outcome?
Any head coach could go in there and win 9-10 games every year beating cupcakes, and then losing 2-3 games to tough opponents.
Why is anyone acting like this is a special or desirable outcome?
Just watched a clip of Coach Kirby Smart going after his player after he got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty after scoring a TD. Very refreshing to see there are still some coaches out there ready to do that. But Coach Smart will never be as good as Coach Franklin - poor guy. 
It's an even dumber argument when you consider the fact that my reaction when people say that is "no shiat".
It's not exactly advanced thinking to know a coaching change can go poorly, but people (including many on this board) act like they're the only ones that though of it.
Indiana? Lol
A blowout win over Nebraska and a win against Washington are fine but exactly ZERO of its opponents this year are currently ranked and they last defeated Ohio State in 1988.
Overrated? They lost by a touchdown to a Top 5 team while making some game changing mistakes. They could have won.
I tried reading that again.
I still get stuck on the assertion that all we need to do to become elite and beat the likes of OSU is to beat OSU, so we can pull in better players, even though the players we have are apparently good enough to already beat OSU and be elite, though we do spend an inordinate amount of time bashing the players as not being good enough (I mean, look at our WRs, right? And a bunch of other position groups that get bashed on a regular basis), and the reason we don't beat OSU now (and show that we're elite) is due to the coach, so he needs to be replaced, so we can get better players and money, in which case we wouldn't have needed a better coach.
Or something.
The perpetual, whining entitled mind is a scary place of circular logic.
Oh, and as to your Howard and Allar commentary. It's just so weird, isn't it? We keep changing offensive coordinators because our QBs underperform, and we bring in better and better QBs and we even brought in an offensive genius, and it's not getting any better. Hmmm, it's almost like change doesn't guarantee improvement, and improvement to elite status is really, really hard to achieve.
But you keep going on those blind dates, looking like you haven't showered or even looked in a mirror in days, wearing that "no fat chicks" t-shirt, hoping you're going to land that supermodel. I have a good feeling about the next one.
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We know you would. I prefer avoiding the dark years and coaches literally shitting their pants while boys are being raped on campus.
But we all have to select what we prefer, I guess.
Consistent 10-2 and 11-1 after cleaning up a colossal mess left by the prior "preferred" regime, and not being able to beat OSU while we suffer through the occasional boneheaded penalty will have to be the cross we bear. It's tragic, really. You shouldn't have to suffer like this. Maybe take an online course at UGA so you can then shout "Go Dawgs!" with pride. You deserve better.
The LOL is on you as @AvgUser points out. None of PSU's wins are against currently-ranked (as of when today's poll is released) opponents. Penn State's nicely-paid players have been down in the 2nd half to Bowling Green and trailed USC and Wisconsin in the 2nd half as well. Indiana has trailed in one QUARTER against all of their opponents this season and that was yesterday.
Have you ever **** your pants? When you do as much for Penn State as Joe has then you can talk.
Change just for change sakes might lead into a FSU situation currently w/Mike Norvell or a TA&M situation when they went to Jimbo. If you go to the "hot" asst....you get Brent Pry and Brent Venables and learning on the job.
But just for fun...
What about Manny? Doing a great job @ Duke this year...or is he riding Elko's players?
What about Josh Heupel? Would he want to leave the SEC? Is this a lateral move?
Would you ask Nick Saban? Would you ask Dabo?
Is Curt Cignetti too old - as someone mentioned in another post?
Long shots... (Matt Campbell (Iowa State), Eliah Drinkwitz (Missouri). Long LONG shot Bill O'Brein (BC). Please nobody mention Deion Sanders.
Never say never...or in this case "PSU is not firing Franklin..."
Nebraska fired Frank Solich with a 753 winning % which is higher that Franklin's - 707%
Completely irrelevant, considering the context of my reply was that someone expressed envy of Indiana’s coach. Make the case against CJF to your heart’s content, the lol was that Indiana is certainly not part of such a case.
That didn’t go well for nebby.
Just watched a clip of Coach Kirby Smart going after his player after he got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty after scoring a TD. Very refreshing to see there are still some coaches out there ready to do that. But Coach Smart will never be as good as Coach Franklin - poor guy.
Take care of the little things and the big things will take care of themselves
It starts with “I love you”, and it ends with “I love you.”
Mark Richt was canned with a 74% winning pct. How did that turn out for UGa?
Thank you for the very mature response.
I am not typing out a list for you, Skippy. But there are a lot of coaches that can win 8-10 games every year at Penn State and lose every single game to O$U. You know a little about CFB, I bet you can think of quite a few. Heck, at this point give Andy K a crack at the job as he will be going elsewhere soon to be a HFC.
I can’t speak for those 2 entities…but other Universities seem to be able to do it…Here? We just accept mediocrity.
You win the award for best apologist.
“Colossal mess” was only PSU BoT and corrupt politicians. Football program was solid as a rock. Abd did nothing g wrong…in fact followed NCAA and law enforcement procedures to the letter. And won more big games in one year than Franklin has won in his entire career. If the previous regime were not so solid, Franklin would have had nothing to “save” into mediocrity.
Don’t believe me, ask the Lettermen.
Georgia did not accept mediocrity of a blue blood. Of course, PA is the only state I am aware of that works against its flagship university.
True dat. However, if memory serves, Solich was picked up for drunk driving during his stint at Ohio. Nebraska may have done a "pre-emptive strike" to avoid scandal. The bigger issue for Nebraska was when they fired Bo Pelini (.713 overall record) and then hired Mike Riley and Scott Frost. Riley destroyed the program and Frost was ice cold (sorry, couldn't resist). Matt Rhule needs some time to rebuild that program, which has been languishing for years.
The bigger problem IMO is that Nebraska is in a horrible spot for recruiting and is intent on recapturing their glory days under "Dr." Tom Osborne. They need to find someone that can get the juice flowing again - if you know what I mean.
Hey stupid…. Again, where did I write that I accept mediocrity. I think a$$hole was the correct response
If you’re truly looking to replace Franklin, you go and get a coach who has the thing everyone liked about Franklin initially - a guy who did more with less. At Vandy, he managed to beat more than a few teams he should have lost to. The thinking was that with more resources and a bigger brand, he could expand on that. But, he didn’t. Recruiting has hit a ceiling and he can’t coach his way to a win against better teams. Landscape has changed a lot and he’s adapted as well as can be expected, but he’s basically Kirk Ferentz at this point. That is enough for many I guess.
Other than two plays (which were critical) Franklin coached a good game. Ohio State in my very humble opinion still has a better O-line and D-line. The Lions under Franklin have narrowed that gap but there’s still enough of a gap that gives the Buckeyes an edge. The Buckeye offense nip and tucked the Lion’s the entire afternoon and the DC did not make the necessary adjustments.
Sorry for bringing up Michigan but it is important to do so in order to understand what’s necessary to win a National Championship and beating the very best in the country. Under Jim Harbaugh Michigan out recruited Ohio State from 2021 to 2023 and in the opinion of those “inside college football” fielded better linemen on both sides of the ball. Also, regardless of how one feels about Jim Harbaugh and his recruiting and coaching methodologies, he was an unbelievable recruiter and game day coach. While coach Franklin brings many positives to Penn State he does not possess the same tenacity and drive.
Sorry for bringing up Michigan but it is important to do so in order to understand what’s necessary to win a National Championship and beating the very best in the country. Under Jim Harbaugh Michigan out recruited Ohio State from 2021 to 2023 and in the opinion of those “inside college football” fielded better linemen on both sides of the ball. Also, regardless of how one feels about Jim Harbaugh and his recruiting and coaching methodologies, he was an unbelievable recruiter and game day coach. While coach Franklin brings many positives to Penn State he does not possess the same tenacity and drive.
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