Get Rid of Franklin

[Ludd]

The issue Isn’t beating the hens 9 times, it’s not beating O, OSU and Michigan. I’m shocked beating Kent by 60 makes people so happy.

Would you rather watch them lose to Kent? I mean they have to play who’s on their schedule, so I’m happy about every team on their schedule that they beat.

 

[Karl_Havok]

That’s just crazy talk lol

 

[Moogy]

If your tone is not mocking... idk. I'll give that.

"Are you OK? Should we send over help?" might be your most prevalent post.

It is usually posted after you are unable to understand someone else's post as in;
Poster: "And....jeeze I thought it was obvious."
Moogy: "Wut? I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you OK? Should we send over help?"

Translates (by me) to you must be having some type of medical or mental issue if you (Moogy) cannot understand your post. Maybe that is not what that means.

I only ever posted to you about the "abd". you know because when the original poster clarified it with "And....jeeze I thought it was obvious." you replied with... you know. Abd that is when I got involved.

Can someone translate the above into English, so I can properly not care about this hypocrite's stalkerish, passive-aggressive failed attacks on me?

Seriously, guy ... you're collapsing under the weight of your rouse of personal attacks horribly disguised as being a nice guy. Just because you wear a white sheet with poorly cut out eye holes doesn't mean you're a ghost, no matter how many times you follow me around saying "but I'm a ghost!"

 

[MacNit]

We won every game until this past Saturday. A W is a W. Quite a few people have seen every minute of every game. Life sucks and having your favorite team be undefeated and ranked #3 lightens the load. And we’re still alive for the playoffs. Remember that in ‘82 we were not undefeated.

Our schedule in 1982 was absolutely brutal…probably the most difficult in CFB history.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Our schedule in 1982 was absolutely brutal…probably the most difficult in CFB history.

All I remember is carrying the Nebraska posts down college ave. ……sigh

 

[PSUHarry]

Guy coaches scared and neuters his assistants in big games. Done supporting this guy and his ********

When/How did he neuter his assistants?

 

[PSUJam]

Here's a new post from Abdul Carter's father. The best player in the team.

 

[PSUHarry]

I believe that James is a good man and overall, a solid representative for our University. He has also done a very good job getting our slow-moving administration to modernize in the college football arms race in terms of NIL, branding, and investment into facilities. He also came into the program at a time where our place in the college football world was a little uncertain. For those things, I will give him a ton of credit and I appreciate what he's done for us.

But this fan base deserves better than 1 - 10 against our biggest rival, and 1-13 against top 5 teams.

Statistically we are getting what he's being paid for. 13 ranked salary, typically 7-15th in end of year polls, and 10-15 ranked recruiting classes. Unfortunately, his losses are to teams that have more talent and NIL resources, and that main team is OSU. He loses very few games to teams he shouldn't have if you look at the body of work. He hasn't solved the OSU juggernaut. We have probably had 3 teams with near equal talent and we lost 2 of those 3 in 2017 and 2018. Stood toe to toe with them in 2020 too I believe. So who is out there with a better record against top teams for the same salary or slightly more? Matt Rhule (giggle). I don't want to be Nebraska. You think Cignetti at 60 years old using the portal for a 1 year success story is who we need? We can fire him, solves a problem, but creates another big one too. So what is the answer? Who you got?

It was painfully obvious Satruday we lack playmakers. We have one plus Allar. 3 WR receptions. WTF. Their RBs were better, their WRs were better, their Oline was better. Their Dline was better. Their secondary was better. 90% of that loss was talent. AK **** the bed on the last series. I get it. But no guarantees we win after that. D was gassed bcz our O had 3 possessions totaling 22 plays in the 2nd half.

 

[Midnighter]

Here's a new post from Abdul Carter's father. The best player in the team.

What was the excuse pre-NIL?

 

[Midnighter]

Statistically we are getting what he's being paid for. 13 ranked salary, typically 7-15th in end of year polls, and 10-15 ranked recruiting classes. Unfortunately, his losses are to teams that have more talent and NIL resources, and that main team is OSU. He loses very few games to teams he shouldn't have if you look at the body of work. He hasn't solved the OSU juggernaut. We have probably had 3 teams with near equal talent and we lost 2 of those 3 in 2017 and 2018. Stood toe to toe with them in 2020 too I believe. So who is out there with a better record against top teams for the same salary or slightly more? Matt Rhule (giggle). I don't want to be Nebraska. You think Cignetti at 60 years old using the portal for a 1 year success story is who we need? We can fire him, solves a problem, but creates another big one too. So what is the answer? Who you got?

It was painfully obvious Satruday we lack playmakers. We have one plus Allar. 3 WR receptions. WTF. Their RBs were better, their WRs were better, their Oline was better. Their Dline was better. Their secondary was better. 90% of that loss was talent. AK **** the bed on the last series. I get it. But no guarantees we win after that. D was gassed bcz our O had 3 possessions totaling 22 plays in the 2nd half.

Lost by one TD to that juggernaut and probably should have won the game. They have more talent where it counts, but they're not head and shoulders above PSU and haven't been for the last few years. They're better coached and have elite WRs and our five stars are not impactful.

 

[PSUHarry]

Did they not say during the game that the refs were not going to call ticky-tacky penalties and would let the players decide the game? I could’ve sworn I heard that.

Media was told but the teams were not.

 

[PSUHarry]

Well we should beat them easily. No excuses. Should run the table
Next 4 games!!

2 of these games will be tough. UW QB is good and their pass d is good. We need to run the ball, that is their weakness. Can we? Without Donkoh?

 

[PSUHarry]

Yep. This has been obvious since that 2018 OSU game.

The only people who support James Franklin any more are the sort of folks who remain in mediocre marriages, mediocre jobs, mediocre relationships, et cetera. People who believe mediocre is their ceiling.

I have a great marriage, great part time job heading into retirement, weekday golf opportunities, excellent relationships (friends and family). Wonderful children. It's a tremendous mediocre life. I support Franklin because he is our coach, and I will stop supporting him when I have a better answer. Currently I don't, and haven't seen anyone on this Board have it. But if PSU wants him gone (and they don't) it would be their job to find the next up and coming Coordinator or Coach who can handle the on the field, off the field monster that the job is. Throw in an era of recruiting we've never seen the likes of before with a lawless transfer portal. It's a daunting task and it's high stakes with millions of dollars of revenue on the line.

 

[PSUJam]

What was the excuse pre-NIL?

Bag men. That's why it was so easy for them to raise 20 million this year. Next question.

 

[Midnighter]

Bag men. That's why it was so easy for them to raise 20 million this year. Next question.

Sheesh. Everyone pays but Penn State I guess.

 

[PSUJam]

Sheesh. Everyone pays but Penn State I guess.

Not true. It was going on to some extent but as you can see it's been a huge struggle to get donors to open their pocket books now that it's legal. We were always the clean cut program that "could do more with less". Heck, our fan base still expects it. It has nothing to do with what happened to Joe. I'll bet the biggest donors were the ones trying to get him to retire.

 

[PSUHarry]

Bob: I think you have good points about both the buyout of Franklin, et al being a financial albatross and the question of who PSU could get that is an improvement on Franklin.

But I have to say that I am finally convinced that a change needs to come. Franklin just does not seem capable of winning big games, and he seems to make some really questionable decisions in big games. (Like not calling timeout in the last minute before the end of the first half, when we were going for it on fourth down, and, especially, running the ball straight up the middle three straight times when we had first and goal at the tOSU 2 or 3 yard line.) We had exactly zero offensive touchdowns. I can't put all of that on Kotelnicki.

PSU football strikes me, right now, as the CFB equivalent of "The Little Train that Couldn't." We just can't get to the top of the hill, and it seems like that is never gonna change with Franklin in charge.

I have always defended him to date, and would readily admit that going 10-2 is nothing to sneeze at. But I have to ask you: Would you prefer to: (1) continue going 10-2 forever and never getting to the top of the hill (which I regard as beating tOSU and either winning the national championship or going deep in the CFB playoffs); or (2) taking a chance on a new coach who might just get PSU to the top of the hill, even if the downside risk is we have a couple of crappy seasons? I can tell you that I would readily choose Option 2. I have had enough of Option 1. PSU deserves better than this, IMHO, and should certainly aspire to better than this.

I don't think anything should be done until the end of the season at the earliest, but if Franklin has his agent dangle his name in front of another school again, I would favor not doing anything about it. Nor would I favor any further extensions until and unless Franklin changes the equation, which I don't see happening.

Couple of things. Clock management at the end of the half was fine. He couldn't leave too much on the clock if PSU got stopped. We got down there and then #6 has cotton balls for hands.

Franklin doesn't call the plays. We've been through this a million times on here. The series at the end of the game was AK.

 

[PSUHarry]

Urban Meyer

I think you forgot the "might come to PSU" part of the question.

 

[PSUHarry]

Those arguing that they need to know who Penn State could hire that would be a 100%i mprovement over Franklin have fooled themselves into thinking such a thing can be proven. It can’t. You have no idea if your next hire will be Kirby Smart or Scott Frost; Dan Lanning or Chip
Kelly. You just don’t know. A lot depends on how much appetite fans have for a change.

I predicted a loss and came pretty close on the final score, so not shocked at the result but disappointed because as usual, we’re close but still find ways to lose. Can still get into the playoffs and build from there, but we’ve had two years in a row with OSU on the ropes and blew them. Franklin is our decade long constant and we know what we have in him. I’ve been ready to move on for a while but know we’re stuck for the time being.

Um, i think we can feel pretty safe that our next hire is not Kirby Smart or Dan Lanning. This is an economic decision not a fan appetite decision.

 

[PSUHarry]

Plus, they miss the whole concept of a discussion forum.

We are not going to solve it here... the whole point of this board is to talk about it.

I don't know if Cignetti, or Diaz or Rhule or Meyer are the right answer. I don't get paid to know.

Talking about Franklin's shortcomings in no way requires me to have a solution.

You are right, it doesn't require you to have a solution but it does prompt the legitimate question. If you don't ask the next question, it's just a ***** session and thats been done forever here.

 

[PSUHarry]

Such a dumb argument; “don’t do something to solve your problem, you might create another one!”

Don’t get chemo, it kills your immune system and you might die from a cold! Don’t put on that seatbelt, what if it gets jammed and the car catches on fire! Don’t leave your abusive spouse, what if you never find someone else to love!

Those decisions are personal ones, not organizational ones with millions of dollars at stake.

 

[PSUHarry]

Give you a name?…what a cop out……other teams move on and get better (some do get worse)…I guess you are ok with mediocrity?

Franklin is not mediocre. You define him as mediocre because of a couple of statistics. Plenty of programs in the country would take our current mediocre by your standards.

 

[PSUHarry]

Running the program scared. Silly take. Are you thinking only Franklin can beat blue hens and lose to the big boys?

Some data: https://247sports.com/longformartic...cords-against-top-25-teams-233938982/#2447208

 

[PSUHarry]

How do other teams do it? Not by banging your head against a wall for over a decade!

What other teams are consistently beating teams that are better than them? https://247sports.com/longformartic...cords-against-top-25-teams-233938982/#2447208

 

[PSUHarry]

Just watched a clip of Coach Kirby Smart going after his player after he got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty after scoring a TD. Very refreshing to see there are still some coaches out there ready to do that. But Coach Smart will never be as good as Coach Franklin - poor guy.

Yeah, Kirby can sit him, and put another 5 $tar in on the next play.

 

[PSUHarry]

Curt Cignetti (SP?) Indiana coach

Yeah, a 60 year old building a 1 year team with the portal. Not a long term strategy.

 

[Midnighter]

Yeah, Kirby can sit him, and put another 5 $tar in on the next play.

Penn State 6th in players on 2024 NFL rosters.

 

[PSUHarry]

Never say never...or in this case "PSU is not firing Franklin..."

Nebraska fired Frank Solich with a 753 winning % which is higher that Franklin's - 707%

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and what happened?

 

[Midnighter]

and what happened?

The same thing as at Penn State with Franklin - not much. If you're not playing for championships (conference/national), a season is a season. Difference is we pay a lot more for ours.

 

[PSUHarry]

Mark Richt was canned with a 74% winning pct. How did that turn out for UGa?

Not a legitimate analogy. Kirby begged for resources and got the

Other than two plays (which were critical) Franklin coached a good game. Ohio State in my very humble opinion still has a better O-line and D-line. The Lions under Franklin have narrowed that gap but there’s still enough of a gap that gives the Buckeyes an edge. The Buckeye offense nip and tucked the Lion’s the entire afternoon and the DC did not make the necessary adjustments.

Sorry for bringing up Michigan but it is important to do so in order to understand what’s necessary to win a National Championship and beating the very best in the country. Under Jim Harbaugh Michigan out recruited Ohio State from 2021 to 2023 and in the opinion of those “inside college football” fielded better linemen on both sides of the ball. Also, regardless of how one feels about Jim Harbaugh and his recruiting and coaching methodologies, he was an unbelievable recruiter and game day coach. While coach Franklin brings many positives to Penn State he does not possess the same tenacity and drive.

all that plus cheating.

 

[PSUHarry]

The biggest issue I have with the loss was the 4 plays from inside the 5. All last year we get Pribula quite often to add that running option at QB in this spot. All this year we see AK and JF constantly running gimmick stuff, often to good results. Weird line formations, Warren at all positions, etc. Yet in the biggest set of downs in your coaching career, on 4 plays, your three best offensive options were involved exactly 1 time. Allar throwing on 4th. That's it. No Warren, no Singleton. Just a play set out of Paterno 1971 playbook. Warren had just made the entire OSU defense look like the local peewee league, yet nothing. Just unforgivable.

OSU shut Pribula stuff down hard and fast in the first half. No reason to go there. Lots of reasons to go to #44 after he got is wind back. Maybe on 3rd down. Have him run the Read/Option - he does it to perfection. Allar would have walked in if he made the right read or if he had the approval to make that read. We don't know.

 

[PSUHarry]

The issue Isn’t beating the hens 9 times, it’s not beating O, OSU and Michigan. I’m shocked beating Kent by 60 makes people so happy.

I think you need to let the Kent State thing go. It's OK people enjoyed that win. It doesn't mean they all think we were a great team because of it.

 

[PSUHarry]

It’s the little things with OSU….

And Donkoh played hurt.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

I have a great marriage, great part time job heading into retirement, weekday golf opportunities, excellent relationships (friends and family). Wonderful children. It's a tremendous mediocre life. I support Franklin because he is our coach, and I will stop supporting him when I have a better answer. Currently I don't, and haven't seen anyone on this Board have it. But if PSU wants him gone (and they don't) it would be their job to find the next up and coming Coordinator or Coach who can handle the on the field, off the field monster that the job is. Throw in an era of recruiting we've never seen the likes of before with a lawless transfer portal. It's a daunting task and it's high stakes with millions of dollars of revenue on the line.

I’ll also add my bff is living his best life surrounded by high quality fam

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

My N Harry is obviously not at the club golfing this afternoon lol

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

I think you need to let the Kent State thing go. It's OK people enjoyed that win. It doesn't mean they all think we were a great team because of it.

My argument is everyone throws 10-2 in my face, but beating Kent 10 times does not give me an orgasm.
EVERY program has 2 or so important games a season + a DO NOT LOSE rivalry game (PITT) Those are the ones that matter.
another thing that annoys me is after 6 Kent state games, everyone boasts PSU is 3rd in the country in rushing, 2nd in scoring D, 7th in points etc etc etc…AGAINST KENTs YOU TARDS.

 

[step.eng69]

What was the excuse pre-NIL?

tOSU had the NIL$, you just didn't recognize the wheelbarrows full of brown paper bags.

 

[Midnighter]

My argument is everyone throws 10-2 in my face, but beating Kent 10 times does not give me an orgasm.
EVERY program has 2 or so important games a season + a DO NOT LOSE rivalry game (PITT) Those are the ones that matter.
another thing that annoys me is after 6 Kent state games, everyone boasts PSU is 3rd in the country in rushing, 2nd in scoring D, 7th in points etc etc etc…AGAINST KENTs YOU TARDS.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

OSU is living rent free in Marshall’s brain

 

[PSU87]

You are right, it doesn't require you to have a solution but it does prompt the legitimate question. If you don't ask the next question, it's just a ***** session and thats been done forever here.

So, in other words....discussing things on a discussion forum.

The horror.