It's clear they're wasting his talent. Satterfield's dogged dedication to the underperforming Rattler is clear. It's reminiscent of the time the coaches at Marshall left Byron Leftwich in with a broken leg rather than putting in the backup. I mean, I don't see how Doty could be any worse. He's got more time in the offensive system. He'd have to throw 2 picks in every remaining game to throw more than Rattler. I hate it for the guy. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go somewhere else and do pretty well, like Brice at App State. I know they lost last night, but he's really had a good season overall. It would be one thing if we had an elite QB Doty was sitting behind, but it's not the case. He has shown real strength of character sticking it out and not complaining, but I think he's paid his dues. He could transfer out and I don't think he should feel any guilt about it if he does.
If I were Doty I would transfer out
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If Rattler returns next year, he'll transfer.
For me, there are other QBs on the roster I'm more interested in seeing. Bailey and Davis among them.
For me, there are other QBs on the roster I'm more interested in seeing. Bailey and Davis among them.
Only our idiot fanbase would have "fans" encouraging players to leave.
Agree. Our fans have supported players going pro early for years. I'm never in favor of players leaving until they graduate.
We have options but do not use them which drives fans crazy. As stated above, can't be worse than Rattler and Doty appears quicker and not as skittish in the pocket.
Also, AppSt OC, Frank Ponce, might be a good one to pursue based on offensive scheme I saw last night.
Also, AppSt OC, Frank Ponce, might be a good one to pursue based on offensive scheme I saw last night.
Firstly, I am not an idiot. He could get a degree from any 4 year school. There's nothing special about a degree from our university. It's a state school with accolades in some areas, but it's not Ivy League. I understand the life lessons about sticking things out and not quitting. My parents didn't let me quit teeball when I was little and I HATED it. So I stuck it out and finished the season, and I'm glad I did. However, there are times in life when things aren't black and white, and there are times when it's okay to leave a situation that is not beneficial to you--for example, I didn't contiune playing teeball because it wasn't for me. It is analagous to the following situation:
Suppose you're a dedicated employee, who has experience and is competent at your position. There's a promotion available, and they give it to a new guy who has had some accomplishments at his old job. In time, however, it appears he wasn't as good as his resume suggested. You've been passed over for a position that you probably would have been just as good at, possibly better. So, at the end of the fiscal year, you decide to seek a position with a new employer who is willing to take the chance on you. Even if you fizzle out as well, you've tried.
How is that idiotic? He's waited patiently. He's paid his dues. I want Doty to be successful, be it here or somewhere else. It's clear he won't even get the chance to do that here, so what's wrong with going somewhere to a team who will take a chance on him? If he fizzles out somewhere else, it's fine. At least he got the chance to try. He isn't going to get that here, even though Rattler isn't performing.
I guess the question is, are you concerned with Doty's well-being? If he sticks it out and never plays, it's a strong character statement. He completed his job, and that's great. However, there's absolutely NOTHING WRONG with wanting someone to take the chance on you.
Suppose you're a dedicated employee, who has experience and is competent at your position. There's a promotion available, and they give it to a new guy who has had some accomplishments at his old job. In time, however, it appears he wasn't as good as his resume suggested. You've been passed over for a position that you probably would have been just as good at, possibly better. So, at the end of the fiscal year, you decide to seek a position with a new employer who is willing to take the chance on you. Even if you fizzle out as well, you've tried.
How is that idiotic? He's waited patiently. He's paid his dues. I want Doty to be successful, be it here or somewhere else. It's clear he won't even get the chance to do that here, so what's wrong with going somewhere to a team who will take a chance on him? If he fizzles out somewhere else, it's fine. At least he got the chance to try. He isn't going to get that here, even though Rattler isn't performing.
I guess the question is, are you concerned with Doty's well-being? If he sticks it out and never plays, it's a strong character statement. He completed his job, and that's great. However, there's absolutely NOTHING WRONG with wanting someone to take the chance on you.
For the record, I was not one of those fans supporting Gurley, etc. leaving early. They weren't ready. That is not the same as telling a guy to try and achieve his dreams somewhere else at the end of the season.
I don't really see any difference. In both cases, the player is pursuing what they think is in their personal best interest. In both cases it involves them leaving USC, so what does it matter if they're playing for another school or playing in the NFL. They aren't here in either case.
I guess I meant that the NFL is the terminal location for football players with the likelihood of players like Tory Gurley seeing the field is nearly noexistent, whereas you could transfer down a division and have a solid college football career. It is the same in that in either case they're not here, but not the same in term of potential for actual playing time.
I guess there are subplots occurring because of our perceived plan of succession at QB following this year. It's kind of blown up and we
all know why.
Luke will have a big decision to make depending on how we finish the year, does he play any meaningful time this year, and what does Rattler do. Does Luke get a legitimate chance to start next year is what I'm thinking is on his mind. A new OC might see things more clearly than what we have now.
I'm a Doty fan and we do have young talent on board (mentioned above).
And a question - did Reno reclassify to '23 or not?
all know why.
Luke will have a big decision to make depending on how we finish the year, does he play any meaningful time this year, and what does Rattler do. Does Luke get a legitimate chance to start next year is what I'm thinking is on his mind. A new OC might see things more clearly than what we have now.
I'm a Doty fan and we do have young talent on board (mentioned above).
And a question - did Reno reclassify to '23 or not?
Seems Luke is better suited to a dual threat offense and not our current "pro" offense.
The best teams we ever had were with a dual threat QB. None of our coaches since then seemed to notice.
We did bring in some dual threat guys who didn't pan out. That kid from Pennsylvania came in as a touted dual threat Elite 11 QB. When he got here, he looked like he was running in oatmeal. Then there's Joyner.
We can detect your sarcasm. But, based on performance data, Beamer isn't too bright either. The offense is bad, and there's literally no way to deny that. The numbers are clear. It's not like there's some hidden facts we're not seeing; we're literally seeing the offensive coach's plans play out on the field. Satterfield is bad, uninventive, and has overly complicated the offense for our players, though seemingly, not too complicated for opposing defenses.
Yeah, the offense sucks, but I'll withhold judgment on Beamer until the offseason. If Satterfield is retained, then we'll have issues. Mid-season changes are ill-advised.
I am not trying to suggest we fire Satt now. Who could we get to replace him now? But at the same time, I think maybe Beamer could put a little more pressure on him to actually put together a competent scoring offense. Nobody expects Beamer to come out and say, "Yeah, Satt's terrible, and we're going to demote him" but at the same time, we seem to be making the same stupid mistakes and calling the same failed plays week in and week out, so....
The concern I have is: maybe he has put pressure on him already and what we're seeing is the best he's got.
agree. we have qbs but no clue what they can do because they do not get an opportunity.
Don’t you just love the posters on here that can only respond with smart *** remarks but call you an idiot ?
There really haven't been all that many opportunities to get backups any meaningful reps. SC State would have been a good chance. Second half of the UGA game if we wanted to concede the loss earlier. Ga State, Arky, UK, A&M and Mizzou were all too close.
I don't think of our backups would have made any positive difference in overall record. No matter who starts, we still lose to UGA and Arkansas.
Great! Fans trying to help out program implode instead of build. Wonder if Clemson fans helped their team build by saying players should leave. I doubt it. That’s why Dabo doesn’t have to rely on the portal. The portal is good in a way but not the ideal way to build a program. Maybe Beamer can change the culture of some of our fan base whose attitudes are counterproductive.
It's not implosion. It's hoping that players who've been overlooked will get their chance to be successful. It's not implosion to hope that some of these kids get the opportunity to play. If the coaches aren't going to make changes, then the players have the right to seek success elsewhere. I played on teams growing up, so I get the importance of a team mentality; however, we're not talking about peewee baseball. These are full shcolarship athletes who aren't getting the opportunity to perform. I'm not suggesting they should quit mid season. They should stick it out. However, at the end of the season, they should look elsewhere. Nobody dreams of sitting the bench. Are you telling me you honestly think Doty would be worse than Rattler? At this point he'd need to throw 2 interceptions per game the rest of the year to even come close to looking worse than Rattler. Imagine being Doty's parents going to the game every week to watch someone else's kid be totally mediocre on the field. I, for one, would hate that.
Yes.....they have. Last year and this year with respect to DJ. And before that there was the 4/5 star DL that came to us for about a year....and then left the program.
Doubt no more.
I'm not calling him an idiot. I'm calling you an idiot for promoting something that clearly isn't in the best interest of our program. The last thing we need is self- righteous fans undermining our program.
And we were running dual threat offenses? The best dual threat guy we've had since Spurrier was Jake...but the coaches didn't want to run him. Jake could get yards & extend plays if needed.
We didn't have any issues running Garcia or Shaw when they were playing.
While Beamer has recruited pro style guys.
You and I are normally on the same page but your view is shortsighted on this subject.
There is no way anyone can convince me that M.L. shouldn't leave after this year if there is a market for his services at the next level. We all know RB's have a short NFL shelf life. Same for our RB that left last year.
If I were Cam Smith's father or inner circle, he would be gone after this year. The probability that his stock will go up next year is very slim.
GG would be a bone head if he stayed until he graduated (unless he has been over-hyped). Anyone advising him to stay is wearing garnet and black sunglasses.
I was giving Rattler the benefit of the doubt early in the season but there was no reason not to put Doty in against Mizzu in the second half. Couldn't have been any worse and he may have given the offense a spark. We will never know because it is Rattler all the way for whatever reason.
I think the difference is speaking about what is in the best interest of the program vs the best interest of the player.
I honestly don't think some people understand that difference. Hence the lashing out and name calling.
Someone brought up Lloyd and it's a good example. His career is probably best off if he enters the NFL this year. It's not idiotic to admit that, and you're not being a bad fan if you admit it.
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LOL. He doesn't personally give a crap about Doty. This is nothing more than a butthurt fan that isn't getting his way trying to s**t on our program and spread negative stupidity.
Nobody believes that Beamer would leave Doty on the bench and lose games just because he is loyal to Rattler. Ridiculous. Just another excuse to whine.
As I said:
"I honestly don't think some people understand that difference. Hence the lashing out and name calling."
The most useful post in a thread that has gotten a little squirrelly.
His adversity to date has stemmed from injuries. 8 games into his first healthy season doesn’t constitute adversity in my world. He’s a great young man and hope he does what’s best for him. Remember Kyle Trask.
I've known Luke and his parents, brother and grandmother for years. The only way he would ever leave is as a grad transfer to get a free Masters from another school and broaden his horizons
This board continues to sink deeper and deeper into the muck
This board continues to sink deeper and deeper into the muck
Clearly you're mistaken as to who is an idiot. Regardless of your reading inadequacy, I am neither and idiot nor are my suggestions detrimental to the program. Honestly the program couldn't be much worse. Eeking out wins against weakened opponents then following it up with inexplicable losses to seemingly inferior teams does not mean anything. I'm not self-righteous, and I also don't need to stoop to name-calling. You can try to justify things all you want, but at the end of the day, it doesn't undermine anything for us to post on a message board. Also, if he wanted to transfer after the season why shouldn't he? There comes a point when it's time to move on. If it were my child's dream to play ball, and he'd spent 3 years unwaveringly riding the bench, then I would have no problem telling him to go to a school where he'd get to play. It's not like he's going pro, so he should at least get the chance to play somewhere.....but I guess I'm the self righteous one....
Then that's great for him if that's what he wants. If he cares more about the university and the degree, them he should, by all means, stay and continue to be a leader. He is, by all accounts, a good guy and I hope the best for him
I think people have grossly misinterpreted the OP. I merely meant to say, if he decided to transfer out, (and I might if it were me or my child), then it it his perogative. He's put in the time, been a fantastic representation of his family and the university, but if he merely wants to play football, then he should have our blessings to pursue that. If he wants to stay and finish what he started, then that is even more awesome.
Plus, I'd rather keep Doty and fire Shatterfield any day
Plus, I'd rather keep Doty and fire Shatterfield any day
You are so full of s**t. Just a crybaby, burn-it-down if I can have it my way post.
Nobody who is a real fan of the TEAM would suggest that our #2 QB leave the team. He is one injury from being our starting QB. Ridiculous. Just a negative nancy trying to spread more negativity.
If I were you, I'd transfer out to be a fan of another team.
The OP did not say he wants Doty to transfer. Rather, he said if he were in Doty’s shoes, that’s what he would do.
There’s a massive difference between the two.
There’s a massive difference between the two.