Jack Del Rio, how ridiculous is the statement

[81 Alumnus]

Some of y'all won't even admit that many in our Congress and Pence could have been killed on January 6. In a coup.

But you want a special speech from Biden about Kavanaugh being threatened? OK.

Yep. That's what they want, alright. Crazy, ain't it

 

[Prestonyte]

This obviously never occured...absolutely no coverage from ABC, NBC, or CBS to confirm this planned attack.

Are you really saying that because the alphabet networks didn't cover it - it didn't happen? Boy are you siloed. There is now a laundry list of things initially claimed to have not happened by the alphabets which they have now been publicly admitted as true. Try looking in a few other sources for some enlightenment.

Armed man arrested near Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh's home charged with attempted murder

A man was arrested near Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's Maryland home after allegedly making threats against Kavanaugh.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Fowlmoodin99]

Twenty five years of HR Director experience here. Let's see if we can dissect this discussion a bit.

Harvard and Flanders present the classic business defense based on today's profitability requirements. Given Washington's environment and workforce, they did not have much choice in how they reacted. We...I...may not like the reaction, but its clearly the right move for them. And Flanders is right, they handled the punishment in the right way, it would appear.

The actions of companies have really been boiled down to assessment of motive, mainly political motive. Companies use to publically shy away from all things political, but as shared political views replace moral views that has changed.

We more conservative people have to admit, there are "more of the liberal viewpoint in our society; more of the liberal viewpoint in our young and the future." They have financially weaponized complaint. Companies exist to get the most people with increasing amounts of money to spend it with them or consume their product. That means keeping the resources of today and the future in your camp. The human resources, the financial resources.

The only goal is making money. The easiest way to make money is to appeal ro current and future sentiment. It is what it is. You market, your niche, your customer base, determines how you act.

The biggest danger to companies now is in employee complaint as labor shortages rage. Expect more companies to cave to employee complaint.

 

[Prestonyte]

Twenty five years of HR Director experience here. Let's see if we can dissect this discussion a bit.

Harvard and Flanders present the classic business defense based on today's profitability requirements. Given Washington's environment and workforce, they did not have much choice in how they reacted. We...I...may not like the reaction, but its clearly the right move for them. And Flanders is right, they handled the punishment in the right way, it would appear.

The actions of companies have really been boiled down to assessment of motive, mainly political motive. Companies use to publically shy away from all things political, but as shared political views replace moral views that has changed.

We more conservative people have to admit, there are "more of the liberal viewpoint in our society; more of the liberal viewpoint in our young and the future." They have financially weaponized complaint. Companies exist to get the most people with increasing amounts of money to spend it with them or consume their product. That means keeping the resources of today and the future in your camp. The human resources, the financial resources.

The only goal is making money. The easiest way to make money is to appeal ro current and future sentiment. It is what it is. You market, your niche, your customer base, determines how you act.

The biggest danger to companies now is in employee complaint as labor shortages rage. Expect more companies to cave to employee complaint.

I tend to agree with you. The old adage "the customer is always right" and not wanting to offend customers is gone. Now employers do not want to offend employees for fear they will quit. I have seen this myself in daily shopping encounters in the retail environment.

 

[Lurker123]

Are you really saying that because the alphabet networks didn't cover it - it didn't happen? Boy are you siloed. There is now a laundry list of things initially claimed to have not happened by the alphabets which they have now been publicly admitted as true. Try looking in a few other sources for some enlightenment.

Armed man arrested near Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh's home charged with attempted murder

A man was arrested near Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's Maryland home after allegedly making threats against Kavanaugh.

abcnews.go.com

I thought he was being sarcastic.

 

[Lurker123]

Twenty five years of HR Director experience here. Let's see if we can dissect this discussion a bit.

Harvard and Flanders present the classic business defense based on today's profitability requirements. Given Washington's environment and workforce, they did not have much choice in how they reacted. We...I...may not like the reaction, but its clearly the right move for them. And Flanders is right, they handled the punishment in the right way, it would appear.

The actions of companies have really been boiled down to assessment of motive, mainly political motive. Companies use to publically shy away from all things political, but as shared political views replace moral views that has changed.

We more conservative people have to admit, there are "more of the liberal viewpoint in our society; more of the liberal viewpoint in our young and the future." They have financially weaponized complaint. Companies exist to get the most people with increasing amounts of money to spend it with them or consume their product. That means keeping the resources of today and the future in your camp. The human resources, the financial resources.

The only goal is making money. The easiest way to make money is to appeal ro current and future sentiment. It is what it is. You market, your niche, your customer base, determines how you act.

The biggest danger to companies now is in employee complaint as labor shortages rage. Expect more companies to cave to employee complaint.

So in short, it was just a business decision, but these decisions are also slanted away from conservative views.

Seems lile the people arguing both sides are right. Meaning some are arguing the unbalanced nature of the punishments, and some are arguing its the business doing regular damage control. And they are both correct.

Whether there are more or less liberals is another debate. I think the bigger impact is the public backlash weilded by both sides, and how that impact might not be a direct relation to sheer numbers.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

Agreed. This is one of those where ten times the people know about the comment because of the effort to punish it. How many people would have noticed if everyone just yawned and moved on.

Heck, I'm a Redskins fan and I didn't know about it until the "punishment" was handed down.

 

[Gamekem]

That's BS and you know it. These woke organization only ask employees to refrain from common sense conservative political discourse. Progressive woke discourse is encouraged in this sensorship communist culture the democrats have created.

Ron Rivera refraining from political discourse

Tell that to Colin Kaepernick. Anyone upset at Rio's fine should be more upset for Kaepernick who lost his job for his opinions, or is opinions only allowed if you agree with them?

 

[1Mcreekcock]

Are you really saying that because the alphabet networks didn't cover it - it didn't happen? Boy are you siloed. There is now a laundry list of things initially claimed to have not happened by the alphabets which they have now been publicly admitted as true. Try looking in a few other sources for some enlightenment.

Armed man arrested near Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh's home charged with attempted murder

A man was arrested near Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's Maryland home after allegedly making threats against Kavanaugh.

abcnews.go.com

Sarcasm, alphabet news is tainted.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Yep. That's what they want, alright. Crazy, ain't it

I actually think if POTUS doesn’t speak to the attempted assassination of a Justice on SCOTUS, something is seriously wrong. I recall him immediately and incorrectly accuse border patrol agents of whipping illegals. It was similar to Obama’s “if I had a son statement.” Both statements were wrong and inappropriate, but if you’re going to step out on that limb, you better speak to an event that actually is a threat to our system.

 

[Prestonyte]

Sarcasm, alphabet news is tainted.

Sorry, missed the sarcasm. Couldn't see your face

 

[1Mcreekcock]

Twenty five years of HR Director experience here. Let's see if we can dissect this discussion a bit.

Harvard and Flanders present the classic business defense based on today's profitability requirements. Given Washington's environment and workforce, they did not have much choice in how they reacted. We...I...may not like the reaction, but its clearly the right move for them. And Flanders is right, they handled the punishment in the right way, it would appear.

The actions of companies have really been boiled down to assessment of motive, mainly political motive. Companies use to publically shy away from all things political, but as shared political views replace moral views that has changed.

We more conservative people have to admit, there are "more of the liberal viewpoint in our society; more of the liberal viewpoint in our young and the future." They have financially weaponized complaint. Companies exist to get the most people with increasing amounts of money to spend it with them or consume their product. That means keeping the resources of today and the future in your camp. The human resources, the financial resources.

The only goal is making money. The easiest way to make money is to appeal ro current and future sentiment. It is what it is. You market, your niche, your customer base, determines how you act.

The biggest danger to companies now is in employee complaint as labor shortages rage. Expect more companies to cave to employee complaint.

Washington DC had the most lopsided (D) 2020 election results in the nation. They don't want to upset their fan base. Most pro sports franchises are located in liberal cities...this makes Disney very happy as they have made ESPN lean left.

Get the politics out of sports...most fans want to be entertained not trained.

 

[81 Alumnus]

I actually think if POTUS doesn’t speak to the attempted assassination of a Justice on SCOTUS, something is seriously wrong. I recall him immediately and incorrectly accuse border patrol agents of whipping illegals. It was similar to Obama’s “if I had a son statement.” Both statements were wrong and inappropriate, but if you’re going to step out on that limb, you better speak to an event that actually is a threat to our system.

And of course, Joe Biden did condemn the threat to Justice Kavanaugh's life.

White House condemns threat against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh - Washington Examiner

President Joe Biden denounced the actions of an armed man arrested near Brett Kavanaugh's home after threatening to kill the Supreme Court justice, according to the White House."As the president has consistently made clear, public officials, including judges, must be able to do their jobs...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

But, you know that.

 

[81 Alumnus]

Tell that to Colin Kaepernick. Anyone upset at Rio's fine should be more upset for Kaepernick who lost his job for his opinions, or is opinions only allowed if you agree with them?

But they agree with Del Rio and disagree with Kap. And since they are the real Americans, that makes all the difference

 

[Atlanta Cock]

And of course, Joe Biden did condemn the threat to Justice Kavanaugh's life.

White House condemns threat against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh - Washington Examiner

President Joe Biden denounced the actions of an armed man arrested near Brett Kavanaugh's home after threatening to kill the Supreme Court justice, according to the White House."As the president has consistently made clear, public officials, including judges, must be able to do their jobs...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

But, you know that.

I didn’t say he didn’t. I was responding to you. But you knew that.

 

[81 Alumnus]

I didn’t say he didn’t. I was responding to you. But you knew that.

Roses are red. Violets are blue. You're schizophrenic and so are you

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Roses are red. Violets are blue. You're schizophrenic and so are you

Take a knee. I can handle only one demented fool each day. Biden used up my allotment today already.

 

[KingWard]

As an employer that is in a very public arena, you certainly can dictate what your employees are allowed to discuss with the press, and I'm very confident
that is written somewhere in his contract.
When I was in the corporate world, we had very implicit instructions that should we ever be contacted by the press to speak on a corporate matters, we were instructed not to comment and to direct any and all inquires to the PR department.. Failure to do so would bring consequences.

Implicit or explicit?

 

[HillsToSea]

There's always been a double standard for everything. Always. This is nothing new. The new part is that the double standards aren't so one-sided anymore.

But back to the point at hand - businesses represent themselves publicly in a very measured way. And how they do it is based on what is best for their business in any given time. Rivera's comments came with the blessing of the team, Del Rio's didn't. I do think Del Rio's comments were fairly innocuous, but as one of the faces of the business, he needs to toe the company line with his public comments.

It's also very much a false equivalency tying together the BLM protests and Jan 6. Yes, both involved riots, but that's where the similarities end. But that's another thread.

The BLM and antifa riots destroyed plenty. Ruined people’s businesses and KILLED more than two dozen people, including police. One death and far less injuries in the capital riot. And, the one death was an unarmed woman shot dead by a capital policeman. And—- he was exonerated.

 

[Thomas_Shelby]

Why would it be safe to say this? Apparently, Rivera's presser was pre-approved and supported by the Washington administration. Whereas obviously Del Rio's comments were NOT. Again, you take away far more than is implied here - that Washington's brass have policies structured around political left OR right ideologies, and not simply have policies structured around what they wish their organization's branding to represent, either way. You spin too hard here, Mr. Spinster.......

The Redskins pre approving of Rivers’s comment (which I don’t doubt) just proves my point that these organizations are leaning left, while punishing someone that has a differing opinion. Plus, I wasn’t spinning anything. I was pointing out that Rivers’s statement after George Floyd regarding social justice showed that the Redskins don’t require their employees to refrain from political discourse. If the organization and their head coach are going to take on political agendas, it seems Orwellian from the organization to fine an employee for sharing their opinion. But I’ll know liberals can’t understand that nor will they accept that.

 

[Rogue Cock]

No, its all about what was said - not that he spoke at all. Read the statement from Washington Commanders - they made it clear!

“[Del Rio’s] comments do not reflect the organization’s views and are extremely hurtful to our great community here in the DMV,” Rivera said in the statement. “As we saw last night in the hearings, what happened on the Capitol on January 6, 2021 was an act of domestic terrorism.

“He does have the right to voice his opinion as a citizen of the United States and it most certainly is his constitutional right to do so. However, words have consequences and his words hurt a lot of people in our community. I want to make it clear that our organization will not tolerate any equivalency between those who demanded justice in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and the actions of those on January 6 who sought to topple our government.”

He does have a constitutional right to speak his mind on any subject. His employer has the right to put in his contract restrictions on the exercize of those rights. Except for certain limited exceptions, the Constitution only prohibits the prior restraint of speech by federal, state or local governmental entities. NFL teams are private and not subject to the prior restraint limitation.

 

[atl-cock]

So if Coach Beamer says I think Clemson is the best school in the state he should not have any repercussions? (This was intended to respond to those who said it's a personal opinion only and shouldn't be punished -- not Harvards post)

This is a pretty dumb statement

Among the reasons why it's a dumb statement is that there's no such thing as "the best school in the state". Depends on what one is looking for academically and socially. USC is certainly a better school for a journalism degree than Clemron. Clemron might be better in engineering, and certainly better in Ag Science and Textiles,

Do you want to go to school in an urban environment? Large school? Small school?

Anything any USC coach is publically authorized to state regarding other academic institutions will be generic, benign, and positive.

 

[Rogue Cock]

The Redskins pre approving of Rivers’s comment (which I don’t doubt) just proves my point that these organizations are leaning left, while punishing someone that has a differing opinion. Plus, I wasn’t spinning anything. I was pointing out that Rivers’s statement after George Floyd regarding social justice showed that the Redskins don’t require their employees to refrain from political discourse. If the organization and their head coach are going to take on political agendas, it seems Orwellian from the organization to fine an employee for sharing their opinion. But I’ll know liberals can’t understand that nor will they accept that.

A simple corporate policy would be that any comments regarding any issues not immediately concerning the team must be pre-approved by the organization. Many companies have that policy. And they have the legal ability to do so.

 

[Thomas_Shelby]

There's always been a double standard for everything. Always. This is nothing new. The new part is that the double standards aren't so one-sided anymore.

But back to the point at hand - businesses represent themselves publicly in a very measured way. And how they do it is based on what is best for their business in any given time. Rivera's comments came with the blessing of the team, Del Rio's didn't. I do think Del Rio's comments were fairly innocuous, but as one of the faces of the business, he needs to toe the company line with his public comments.

It's also very much a false equivalency tying together the BLM protests and Jan 6. Yes, both involved riots, but that's where the similarities end. But that's another thread.

Tell that to Colin Kaepernick. Anyone upset at Rio's fine should be more upset for Kaepernick who lost his job for his opinions, or is opinions only allowed if you agree with them?

Coli Kaepernick losing his job because of his opinion is your opinion. Del Rio getting fined for his opinion is a fact.

 

[atl-cock]

Seems to only go one way. When’s the last time Kerr or LaBron was fined for speaking out?

Lebron is such a public institution these days that he has a lot more leverage the the average NBA player. Plus, I'm sure he consults with his advisors before speaking out because he has his own image to protect as well.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Lebron is such a public institution these days that he has a lot more leverage the the average NBA player. Plus, I'm sure he consults with his advisors before speaking out because he has his own image to protect as well.

Your point? King James has publicly spoken out on a number of issues from China to the police to BLM where he was wrong if not controversial and offensive.

 

[Lurker123]

Tell that to Colin Kaepernick. Anyone upset at Rio's fine should be more upset for Kaepernick who lost his job for his opinions, or is opinions only allowed if you agree with them?

Kaepernick quit, he wasn't fired.

He opted out of the SF contract.

 

[York cock]

FBI lies to Congress, falsifies info to get FISA warrants, creates more false documents to cover up false request for FISA warrant when their own agents ask for documentation with no consequences and then turn around and arrest others for lying to Congress. Then, FBI arrests Michigan Gov. Whitmer's opponent in upcoming election for attending Jan. 6th rally to purposely impact the election. As Rush used to say - "you can't make this stuff up" - real life trumps (oops! wrong word) beats fiction every time.

Nobody wants to talk about all that. Water under the bridge, like killary Klinton said, what diff does it make now. When will the people realize a very small few in the world run it, and it AINT US!!! Look what she did and nothing came from it.

 

[ToddFlanders]

The BLM and antifa riots destroyed plenty. Ruined people’s businesses and KILLED more than two dozen people, including police. One death and far less injuries in the capital riot. And, the one death was an unarmed woman shot dead by a capital policeman. And—- he was exonerated.

Right. Not related or similar in any way. Both riots (and within a year - so I guess a close time frame), but that's it. The only people who compare them are those on either side who are trying to justify their own bad behavior by saying "but, but, look at them! Look at what they did!" It's a simplistic argument for simple people that purposely ignores discussing the incidents themselves. It's smoke and mirrors - like most "points" these days.

 

[Prestonyte]

Right. Not related or similar in any way. Both riots (and within a year - so I guess a close time frame), but that's it. The only people who compare them are those on either side who are trying to justify their own bad behavior by saying "but, but, look at them! Look at what they did!" It's a simplistic argument for simple people that purposely ignores discussing the incidents themselves. It's smoke and mirrors - like most "points" these days.

The only difference I see is the way justice was applied. One group got away with it and walked free and the other group didn't.

 

[HillsToSea]

Right. Not related or similar in any way. Both riots (and within a year - so I guess a close time frame), but that's it. The only people who compare them are those on either side who are trying to justify their own bad behavior by saying "but, but, look at them! Look at what they did!" It's a simplistic argument for simple people that purposely ignores discussing the incidents themselves. It's smoke and mirrors - like most "points" these days.

I don’t deny the capital riots were bad. Never should have happened, no matter how emotional people were over the election. Just pointing out there were few if any consequences with the spring and summer riots

 

[18IsTheMan]

If Del Rio can coach football, I don't know why his opinion on the January 6 events matters.

If Del Rio can't coach football, I don't know why his opinion on the January 6 events matters.

 

[Rogue Cock]

The only difference I see is the way justice was applied. One group got away with it and walked free and the other group didn't.

One's state and one's federal....each jurisdication has the ability to determine how they will proceed with criminal charges. Plus, they have to have proof sufficient enough to get to court, much less win. They don't like to waste public dollars on cases they know they can't win.....that's not good for a DA's future.

 

[Prestonyte]

One's state and one's federal....each jurisdication has the ability to determine how they will proceed with criminal charges. Plus, they have to have proof sufficient enough to get to court, much less win. They don't like to waste public dollars on cases they know they can't win.....that's not good for a DA's future.

Federal crimes were committed in both, so that argument doesn't apply. One group walked and the Jan. 6th group didn't.

Portland Protesters Have Caused $2.3 Million in Damage to Federal Buildings

Portland saw widespread protests beginning in May following the killing of Black man George Floyd while in police custody.

www.newsweek.com

FBI identifies federal officer killed near protest

A federal law enforcement officer who was shot and killed while providing security at the U.S. courthouse in Oakland during a protest has been identified

abcnews.go.com

 

[18IsTheMan]

I now see where Del Rio apologized to the team and players. I just can see why it matters. He could have the most far-fetched opinion about 1/6 and I don't see why it matters to anyone. He's a football coach. I expect our political leaders to be thinking clearly about such things, but why does it matter a hill of beans what Jack Del Rio thinks? Being located in DC, I can understand the team coming down on him. But why the apology to players? Why do they give a rip what he thinks about 1/6?

 

[Rogue Cock]

Federal crimes were committed in both, so that argument doesn't apply. One group walked and the Jan. 6th group didn't.

Portland Protesters Have Caused $2.3 Million in Damage to Federal Buildings

Portland saw widespread protests beginning in May following the killing of Black man George Floyd while in police custody.

www.newsweek.com

FBI identifies federal officer killed near protest

A federal law enforcement officer who was shot and killed while providing security at the U.S. courthouse in Oakland during a protest has been identified

abcnews.go.com

Two incidents and they still have to identify the perpetrators in order to arrest them and pursue charges. If you know who committed those crimes, I am sure the policing authorities would love to hear from you.....perhaps the rioters that you are complaining about are simply much smarter than those on Jan 6th. Coming from a family with several police officers (both local and federal), I know it is not always easy to identify perpetrators especially in incidents such as riots or many forms of civil disorder.

BTW.....

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters

Some people charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies claim the Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views.

apnews.com

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters

Some people charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies claim the Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views

abcnews.go.com

 

[1st and goal]

I think he was expressing a personal opinion and not speaking on behalf of the organization.

Much like Steve Kerr makes stupid offensive personal opinion statements but because they are all liberal opinions nobody punishes him. Sports is mainstream media so it stands to reason that they will never hold the offensive statements by their stupid liberal personnel to account.

 

[Prestonyte]

Two incidents and they still have to identify the perpetrators in order to arrest them and pursue charges. If you know who committed those crimes, I am sure the policing authorities would love to hear from you.....perhaps the rioters that you are complaining about are simply much smarter than those on Jan 6th. Coming from a family with several police officers (both local and federal), I know it is not always easy to identify perpetrators especially in incidents such as riots or many forms of civil disorder.

BTW.....

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters

Some people charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies claim the Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views.

apnews.com

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters

Some people charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies claim the Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views

abcnews.go.com

I'm sure the rioters had cell phones. Why not use the same methods used for identifying Jan 6th protesters. They can be tracked just like the others. Also, the authorities could have made arrests as it happened as they stood and watched them destroy the federal court house.
BTW, I only used alphabet network stories in my post so the Fox News angle couldn't be used. Using them as sources that there has been no unequal treatment is a joke.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I'm sure the rioters had cell phones. Why not use the same methods used for identifying Jan 6th protesters. They can be tracked just like the others. Also, the authorities could have made arrests as it happened as they stood and watched them destroy the federal court house.
BTW, I only used alphabet network stories in my post so the Fox News angle couldn't be used. Using them as sources that there has been no unequal treatment is a joke.

Which is why I used an AP news report. Fox isn't any more unbiased than ABC, NBC or CBS.

As far as pinging cell phones....nothing illegal about being in the streets, but there is for being in a building closed to the public. If they post pictures thats another issue....and they did catch some in the summer riots because of social media. Read the article.....your attempted point is incorrect.

 

[Lurker123]

Read the article.....your attempted point is incorrect.

I skimmed the article, and it seems like one of those where the meat of the article doesn't really support the headline. They talked about numbers of arrests compared between the two, but the number of participants makes that comparison suspect, imo. The severity of punishments for the deserved (in both cases) aren't really being argued either, imo, but the severity with which something lile trespassing is being treated for one side.

I also didn't note (might have missed) the many people held without bail for months for one occasion, and not others.

I will agree though, it'd be harder to prosecute the floyd rioters. They congregated mostly in streets prior to the mayhem, and didn't need to enter buildings they burned down. (Maybe for the looting). The January 6th people seemed to spend half the time taking selfies, so much easier identified.