Jack Del Rio, how ridiculous is the statement

[Prestonyte]

Which is why I used an AP news report. Fox isn't any more unbiased than ABC, NBC or CBS.

As far as pinging cell phones....nothing illegal about being in the streets, but there is for being in a building closed to the public. If they post pictures thats another issue....and they did catch some in the summer riots because of social media. Read the article.....your attempted point is incorrect.

Conveniently skipped the point that authorities stood and watched instead of arresting the culprits who were easy to identify - burning a federal building is illegal. I understand there has to be a will to prosecute which is the problem. Portland prosecute Antifa/BLM? - no way say liberal prosecutors! When they are arrested - they are released with without bail and no jail - charges are dropped. Treatment of Jan. 6th protesters is very different - no bail, no due process, solitary confinement, etc.
DC is very willing to prosecute Jan 6th protesters but not SCOTUS protesters violating federal law. Again, the will to prosecute equally is the problem. You have to admit there is a difference in our current justice system depending on your politics. Some arrested for Jan. 6th were not in the building by the way, such as Gov. Whitmer's political opposition in the Michigan governors race - a very politically motivated arrest by the FBI.

 

[be cocky]

 

[be cocky]

Conveniently skipped the point that authorities stood and watched instead of arresting the culprits who were easy to identify - burning a federal building is illegal. I understand there has to be a will to prosecute which is the problem. Portland prosecute Antifa/BLM? - no way say liberal prosecutors! When they are arrested - they are released with without bail and no jail - charges are dropped. Treatment of Jan. 6th protesters is very different - no bail, no due process, solitary confinement, etc.
DC is very willing to prosecute Jan 6th protesters but not SCOTUS protesters violating federal law. Again, the will to prosecute equally is the problem. You have to admit there is a difference in our current justice system depending on your politics. Some arrested for Jan. 6th were not in the building by the way, such as Gov. Whitmer's political opposition in the Michigan governors race - a very politically motivated arrest by the FBI.

it’s a public building, but when it got violent and destructive, the authorities did step in and one man got his head smashed with a fire extinguisher. that person who did it was sentenced accordingly. wtf are you talking about?

 

[Lurker123]

it’s a public building, but when it got violent and destructive, the authorities did step in and one man got his head smashed with a fire extinguisher. that person who did it was sentenced accordingly. wtf are you talking about?

I know the palmer guy got caught throwing the extinguisher (twice I think), but was the "head smashed" story the one that got debunked later?

 

[Prestonyte]

it’s a public building, but when it got violent and destructive, the authorities did step in and one man got his head smashed with a fire extinguisher. that person who did it was sentenced accordingly. wtf are you talking about?

Only one person died on Jan. 6th and that was an unarmed protester shot by a Capitol Police Officer. Those assaulting officers were punished accordingly as they should be. The discussion is about selective prosecution and unequal justice regarding Portland/California rioters and SCOTUS protesters vs. Jan. 6th protesters. Read the entire thread.

 

[Prestonyte]

I know the palmer guy got caught throwing the extinguisher (twice I think), but was the "head smashed" story the one that got debunked later?

The Times Corrects the Record on Officer Sicknick’s Death, Sort Of

A few days ago, the New York Times quietly “updated” its report, published over a month earlier, asserting that Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick had been killed by being struck with a fire extinguisher during the January 6 riot. According to the update, “new information has emerged...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Rogue Cock]

Conveniently skipped the point that authorities stood and watched instead of arresting the culprits who were easy to identify - burning a federal building is illegal. I understand there has to be a will to prosecute which is the problem. Portland prosecute Antifa/BLM? - no way say liberal prosecutors! When they are arrested - they are released with without bail and no jail - charges are dropped. Treatment of Jan. 6th protesters is very different - no bail, no due process, solitary confinement, etc.
DC is very willing to prosecute Jan 6th protesters but not SCOTUS protesters violating federal law. Again, the will to prosecute equally is the problem. You have to admit there is a difference in our current justice system depending on your politics. Some arrested for Jan. 6th were not in the building by the way, such as Gov. Whitmer's political opposition in the Michigan governors race - a very politically motivated arrest by the FBI.

Agree that the SCOTUS protesters should be prosecuted....definitely appears to be a direct violation of federal law. Disagree that the federal prosecutions of the BLM protesters are any lighter than those of Jan 6 rioters. State/local prosecutions of BLM protesters could be much different for a variety of reasons.....evidence, funding, reelection pressures on a DA, etc..,

 

[Lurker123]

The Times Corrects the Record on Officer Sicknick’s Death, Sort Of

A few days ago, the New York Times quietly “updated” its report, published over a month earlier, asserting that Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick had been killed by being struck with a fire extinguisher during the January 6 riot. According to the update, “new information has emerged...

news.yahoo.com

Oh yeah, I remember the "murder" story stuck around for quite a while, even after the autopsy (which I think was sealed for a while) till they could make a large production of his funeral.

Then they quietly release that he died of a stroke later, not of being beaten to death by a fire extinguisher. Seems the autopsy should have shown that pretty quickly.

 

[Prestonyte]

Agree that the SCOTUS protesters should be prosecuted....definitely appears to be a direct violation of federal law. Disagree that the federal prosecutions of the BLM protesters are any lighter than those of Jan 6 rioters. State/local prosecutions of BLM protesters could be much different for a variety of reasons.....evidence, funding, reelection pressures on a DA, etc..,

I understand the liberal prosecutors have to live with their liberal constituents but the legal system and justice used to stand for something regardless. The DOJ should have taken the lead on prosecuting the burning down of federal property and taken local politics out of it. I'm just looking for justice to be blind, by the book and consistent like it used to be.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Disagree that the federal prosecutions of the BLM protesters are any lighter than those of Jan 6 rioters. State/local prosecutions of BLM protesters could be much different for a variety of reasons.....evidence, funding, reelection pressures on a DA, etc..,

You mention possible alternative reasons but I have to agree with Prestonyte about the willingness to prosecute.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I understand the liberal prosecutors have to live with their liberal constituents but the legal system and justice used to stand for something regardless. The DOJ should have taken the lead on prosecuting the burning down of federal property and taken local politics out of it. I'm just looking for justice to be blind, by the book and consistent like it used to be.

Justice has never been blind if you study the history of our country. It's a great ideal, we simply have never lived up to it. We are humans with all our frailties after all. We've even had a President (Buchanan) who strong-armed at least two SC Justices into probably the worst decision the Supreme Court has ever made....Dred Scott v. Sandford.

 

[Rogue Cock]

You mention possible alternative reasons but I have to agree with Prestonyte about the willingness to prosecute.

DAs often bow to political influences....its not a position based on merit, it is an elected position. They always have,,,,,including in SC. My how people conveniently forget the Murdaugh case....even the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe with both federal and state prosecutors.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

DAs often bow to political influences

I think what we're saying is they only bow to one party's political influences.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I think what we're saying is they only bow to one party's political influences.

Not true....not even close.

 

[ToddFlanders]

I'm just looking for justice to be blind, by the book and consistent like it used to be.

Our Justice system tries its best, but this statement has never been true at any point in United States history. In fact, it’s so far from the facts of the matter, that I can’t tell if you’re trying to be sarcastic.

As with everything in the country, despite the ups and downs, “Justice” in the Justice system is trending upward over time. But we’re still a long way off from ever seeing for the first time Justice being blind, by the book, and consistent.

 

[Prestonyte]

Our Justice system tries its best, but this statement has never been true at any point in United States history. In fact, it’s so far from the facts of the matter, that I can’t tell if you’re trying to be sarcastic.

As with everything in the country, despite the ups and downs, “Justice” in the Justice system is trending upward over time. But we’re still a long way off from ever seeing for the first time Justice being blind, by the book, and consistent.

I have never seen our DOJ, AG, FBI, CIA, DNI, etc. so blatantly political and corrupted in my lifetime. That is not a trend upward but a step backwards.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Y

Not true....not even close.

We can go through all incidences in the last 4 years and lay each one on the appropriate political pile and see where we end up. Not even close.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Y

We can go through all incidences in the last 4 years and lay each one on the appropriate political pile and see where we end up. Not even close.

I truly hope you are joking or are just simply that naive. Why limit it to 4 years.

 

[Prestonyte]

DAs often bow to political influences....its not a position based on merit, it is an elected position. They always have,,,,,including in SC. My how people conveniently forget the Murdaugh case....even the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe with both federal and state prosecutors.

I agree, and I'm well aware of the above and it does happen, but it was not standard operating procedure across the board as it has now become.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Remember this counselor?

George Gascon, Los Angeles County's new head prosecutor, unveiled an agenda Monday that will usher in changes to the local criminal justice system by his refusal to prosecute certain crimes on top of other sweeping changes.

Please give one example of a republican DA with a list of crimes they will not prosecute. I can go on, please give me one.

Why limit it to 4 years.

Because the times they are a changing.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I agree, and I'm well aware of the above and it does happen, but it was not standard operating procedure across the board as it has now become.

Actually, it used to be worse. May want to look at the periods from the 1880s through the 1920s for one....some of the most politically influenced selective prosecutions in our history.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Actually, it used to be worse. May want to look at the periods from the 1880s through the 1920s for one....some of the most politically influenced selective prosecutions in our history.

You obviously view historical selective prosecutions in the same light as what is happening today and I do not. Oh well.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Remember this counselor?

George Gascon, Los Angeles County's new head prosecutor, unveiled an agenda Monday that will usher in changes to the local criminal justice system by his refusal to prosecute certain crimes on top of other sweeping changes.

Please give one example of a republican DA with a list of crimes they will not prosecute. I can go on, please give me one.

Because the times they are a changing.

Jackie Johnson, former Brunswick (GA) Judicial Circuit District Attorney.

Time are always changing.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Jackie Johnson, former Brunswick (GA) Judicial Circuit District Attorney.

Time are always changing.

Corrie Bush. 2 to 1. Next!

 

[Rogue Cock]

You obviously view historical selective prosecutions in the same light as what is happening today and I do not. Oh well.

There is no difference. The worst period in our history for selective prosecutions were probably the lynching cases in the south through the 1970s.

 

[RAtheOLcoach]

Tell that to Colin Kaepernick. Anyone upset at Rio's fine should be more upset for Kaepernick who lost his job for his opinions, or is opinions only allowed if you agree with them?

Kapernick loat his job because he was a sub par QB, who couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, ANd had a crap opinion that he wouldn’t shut up about. He did it to himself.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

There is no difference. The worst period in our history for selective prosecutions were probably the lynching cases in the south through the 1970s.

I don't think the worst period is in the past. It's ahead.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Corrie Bush. 2 to 1. Next!

Patriots Support "charity"

 

[Rogue Cock]

I don't think the worst period is in the past. It's ahead.

Okay..

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Patriots Support "charity"

New England Patriots?

 

[Rogue Cock]

New England Patriots?

Nope....fake charity. It was actually a for profit venture that preyed on veterans and defrauded the government.

 

[ToddFlanders]

I have never seen our DOJ, AG, FBI, CIA, DNI, etc. so blatantly political and corrupted in my lifetime. That is not a trend upward but a step backwards.

how long have you been alive? But that’s not even important - just go back and look at the history of all those organizations. When we’re they squeaky clean and by the books?

And yes, Justice is trending upward in that actual “Justice” is available to more people in the States now than ever before in history. And that’s on all levels. There’s still a long, long way to go - and there will never be a perfect system - but advances are being made in lightning faster than ever as technology speeds change up.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Nope....fake charity. It was actually a for profit venture that preyed on veterans and defrauded the government.

And which DA was responsible for that? Not clear, and a search using your response showed nothing. So still 2-1 and I have a ton of dem led cities to get to. Not even close right?

 

[Rogue Cock]

And which DA was responsible for that? Not clear, and a search using your response showed nothing. So still 2-1 and I have a ton of dem led cities to get to. Not even close right?

It would be federal. There were Senate hearings on it.....then nothing more. Guess which party was in power at the time.

Both parties have the power to influence prosecutorial discretion....and both parties use it. It simply depends on what jurisdiction you are referring to at the time. Prosecutors listen to their constentuancy and are responsive to them and other political/influences powers surrounding them. To deny that is simply being naive.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

It would be federal. There were Senate hearings on it.....then nothing more. Guess which party was in power at the time.

Both parties have the power to influence prosecutorial discretion....and both parties use it. It simply depends on what jurisdiction you are referring to at the time. Prosecutors listen to their constentuancy and are responsive to them and other political/influences powers surrounding them. To deny that is simply being naive.

I agree with that. Not saying ONLY one side does it. We were arguing about the frequency of the incidences being from one side predominantly. And I was using 4 years because of the Soros factor. Theres about 20 so of those DAs.. You said that not only was that not true but that it wasn't even close. We can keep on counting if you like. I don't think it's close either.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I agree with that. Not saying ONLY one side does it. We were arguing about the frequency of the incidences being from one side predominantly. And I was using 4 years because of the Soros factor. Theres about 20 so of those DAs.. You said that not only was that not true but that it wasn't even close. We can keep on counting if you like. I don't think it's close either.

Not even getting into a Soros discussion. Have a friend who was a pretty damned good tax attorney until she stopped taking her meds for bipolar disorder. She constantly rants about Soros and the Pope being a false Pope (she's strong Irish-Catholic). And I don't have the time nor inclination to start a tit-for-tat. There are too many incidents in SC alone where prosecutions nor investigations even occurred to due political influences....we are seeing one of those now being played out on national TV. There are quite a few others from the upstate to the lowcountry.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I'm not bipolar and I'm not talking about the pope. What the hell? OK, have a nice day Rogue!

 

[The Reel Ess]

Some of y'all won't even admit that many in our Congress and Pence could have been killed on January 6. In a coup.

But you want a special speech from Biden about Kavanaugh being threatened? OK.

If our so called leaders keep silent about violence in one direction and are vocal about it in the other direction, that's unforgiveable. Honestly though, if Biden's handlers didn't put it on a sheet of paper and tell him to read it, he wouldn't. He's not capable of speaking coherently on his own. After 4 years of seeing the president harangued constantly by reporters, it's incredibly sad to see a dementia patient getting a nearly free pass.

 

[Prestonyte]

how long have you been alive? But that’s not even important - just go back and look at the history of all those organizations. When we’re they squeaky clean and by the books?

And yes, Justice is trending upward in that actual “Justice” is available to more people in the States now than ever before in history. And that’s on all levels. There’s still a long, long way to go - and there will never be a perfect system - but advances are being made in lightning faster than ever as technology speeds change up.

I'm 68, so I've seen a lot. I'm not so much into the history of justice back to the establishment of our country as much as the observance of the rapid changes in more current times and the lack of respect for our founding documents. As Gamecock Jacque is pointing out, there are hundred of examples in the last 10 yrs demonstrating these changes. Also, it is right to point out the big money influences like Soros, Gates, China, etc. with heavy Marxist influence on the American justice system and the Bush family influence on immigration. When you say "actual justice" I'm not sure what you are referring to but I lean heavily on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for justice not focusing on specific outcomes but disparities in how these documents are applied in legal practice.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I'm not bipolar and I'm not talking about the pope. What the hell? OK, have a nice day Rogue!

Didn't mean it that way....sorry if it came across that way. Just saying I've heard every Soros conspiracy/allegation thats out there....she obsesses over it.

You have a nice day also.