MSU- Mississippi related. Closing the Federal Department of Education

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DC does not give a flip about the education of kids in Mississippi. They want to keep them at the bottom. Get rid of the department. The federal government can always provide money to states for certain programs without there being an entire department in DC.
 

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Of course not, because it's just going to get spent elsewhere - where the Republicans want it spent.

And it won't end well anywhere, because a good bit of this federal spending is pacifying many people, who, if not for that, would be roaming around the Republicans' neighborhoods looking to eat.

The hypocrisy of the dollaritis-consumed conservative hivemind is alarming. "muh accountmabiluteee", muh drainz sWaMp". Garbage in, garbage out, shlt ain't getting any better.

That said, Trump is probably not going to do any of this stupidity that is getting thrown around.
Yep.

We are currently running a 27% deficit. Wed have to cut $1.8 trillion from our deficit to balance the budget. Cutting that in less than 10 years would likely trigger a massive recession.

Tarrifs sound good on paper to raise money, but there are 2 problems.

1. Every dollar you make me pay in a tarrifs I'm passing the vast majority on to my customer, aka the US consumer. It's just a tax on the consumer which will disproportionately affect middle to lower income workers since a higher percentage of their income is spent on goods vs services.

2. You have to expect foreign nations to match if not exceed your tarrifs. This will be passed on to US companies in the same manor as foreign companies are "punished" in our tarrifs. US companies will also pass as much as possible on to its customers, but will absorb some costs as well that will affect profits and inevitably force job cuts.

I would assume it's going to be harder for US companies to pass on tarrifs because we are almost entirely exporting commodities and luxury items which are both price sensitive vs the cheap Chinese shìt we import like Christmas ornaments and corn on the Cobb holders that are not price sensitive. Brazilian farmers and German automakers will steal market share from American exports.

But even if it's balanced, the net effect of a tariff war is you only win based on the amount of your trade deficit since the import and export tarrifs effectively offset each other. So all that work for let's say 30% in tarrifs is going to be a gain on our deficit which currently sits around $70 billion a year. We are almost better off with an export tax on select US goods that can pass on the costs instead of facing a tariff war where other countries will try to screw us by putting their tariffs on items that can't handle them.


We won't gain any jobs from iteither because we don't have any 17ing workers. Everyone is too old or too lazy to work. Which is our real problem.

So 17 tarrifs. The only solutions we have at this point to get to a balanced budget are entitlement reform and fixing corporate and individual tax loopholes. I fear way too many special interests will lobby Congress to block the loophole reform and nobody will ever get elected again by touching Social Security, Medicare, and Welfare. But that's where the deficit is, it's where it's always been. Clinton balanced the budget because today's mass hoards of retired old farts were at peak earnings 30 years ago and the lazy àsses of America hadn't figured out how to milk the system yet.

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My theory is this. The only long term solution left is fixing Washington to eliminate career politicians. 87% of America agrees on term limits. So let's actually 17ing put them in for once.

Here's my fix.

Extend terms to 4 or 6 years for the house and put a cap on everything to less than 20 years with 8 additional if you become president. You cannot leverage your political service into becoming a lobbyist, consultant, or work for a foreign entity when you are done. Now that we kneecapped the snakes and geriatric mooches maybe we have enough people not worried about getting reelected to get tough legislation passed.

Social Security not starting until 70-75 is a start. Yeah it sucks, but when 65 was chosen in 1935 our average lifespan was 62. Now we are at 77-1/2. A 75 year old today is way more capable of working than a 65 year old was in 1935 on average. And we are exactly pulling plows with a mule or bending steel with a hammer and anvil anymore.

And man we need to fix immigration. This country was built on ambitious hard working freedom seeking mother17ers risking life and limb to cross an ocean to come make something for themselves instead of living in a place where who your daddy was means more than the grit in your stomach. Looking around today, the generations have taken that grit out of most of our stomach and we are wimps that run from physical labor like it's an unmasked baby coughing in the self checkout line at Target.
 
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The only thing I'll add here is that if the Feds aren't involved, and everything goes back to the states, then that puts states like Mississippi (who take more from the gov't than they send) at a disadvantage, and states like Connecticut/New Jersey/Massachusetts (who send more to the federal gov't than they take) at more of an advantage.
 

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The taxpayers.

The government just thinks it’s the government’s money. It’s taken under threat of arrest/imprisonment by men with guns.
Gotcha. I wanted to clarify before I dismissed this as yet another ridiculous post about government.

Congress passed laws that state people must pay taxes on money they have earned.
That money is used to run the country.
IRS tracks/collects money owed.
Not paying taxes is illegal. Collecting it and enforcing tax laws is no different from police enforcing laws.

This is one of those issues where perspective matters greatly. how somebody looks at laws and frames them in their mind impacts whether they think the laws are just or extreme or whatever else.
It is unfortunate that you think people should be allowed to not pay taxes. To be clear, that is exactly what your comments meit is unfortunate that you think people should be allowed to not pay taxes. To be clear, that is exactly what your comments mean.
 

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We can and should eliminate waste, fraud, abuse, and redundancies. We can also eliminate certain types of programs that society thinks we can live without. Elephant in the room is that's only going to do so much and we are going to have to significantly increase tax receipts as well. The math isn't going to math if we are serious about getting back into annual surpluses to pay down the debt. Or at least getting it back to manageable level.
 

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Yep.

We are currently running a 27% deficit. Wed have to cut $1.8 trillion from our deficit to balance the budget. Cutting that in less than 10 years would likely trigger a massive recession.

Tarrifs sound good on paper to raise money, but there are 2 problems.

1. Every dollar you make me pay in a tarrifs I'm passing the vast majority on to my customer, aka the US consumer. It's just a tax on the consumer which will disproportionately affect middle to lower income workers since a higher percentage of their income is spent on goods vs services.

2. You have to expect foreign nations to match if not exceed your tarrifs. This will be passed on to US companies in the same manor as foreign companies are "punished" in our tarrifs. US companies will also pass as much as possible on to its customers, but will absorb some costs as well that will affect profits and inevitably force job cuts.

I would assume it's going to be harder for US companies to pass on tarrifs because we are almost entirely exporting commodities and luxury items which are both price sensitive vs the cheap Chinese shìt we import like Christmas ornaments and corn on the Cobb holders that are not price sensitive. Brazilian farmers and German automakers will steal market share from American exports.

But even if it's balanced, the net effect of a tariff war is you only win based on the amount of your trade deficit since the import and export tarrifs effectively offset each other. So all that work for let's say 30% in tarrifs is going to be a gain on our deficit which currently sits around $70 billion a year. We are almost better off with an export tax on select US goods that can pass on the costs instead of facing a tariff war where other countries will try to screw us by putting their tariffs on items that can't handle them.


We won't gain any jobs from iteither because we don't have any 17ing workers. Everyone is too old or too lazy to work. Which is our real problem.

So 17 tarrifs. The only solutions we have at this point to get to a balanced budget are entitlement reform and fixing corporate and individual tax loopholes. I fear way too many special interests will lobby Congress to block the loophole reform and nobody will ever get elected again by touching Social Security, Medicare, and Welfare. But that's where the deficit is, it's where it's always been. Clinton balanced the budget because today's mass hoards of retired old farts were at peak earnings 30 years ago and the lazy àsses of America hadn't figured out how to milk the system yet.

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My theory is this. The only long term solution left is fixing Washington to eliminate career politicians. 87% of America agrees on term limits. So let's actually 17ing put them in for once.

Here's my fix.

Extend terms to 4 or 6 years for the house and put a cap on everything to less than 20 years with 8 additional if you become president. You cannot leverage your political service into becoming a lobbyist, consultant, or work for a foreign entity when you are done. Now that we kneecapped the snakes and geriatric mooches maybe we have enough people not worried about getting reelected to get tough legislation passed.

Social Security not starting until 70-75 is a start. Yeah it sucks, but when 65 was chosen in 1935 our average lifespan was 62. Now we are at 77-1/2. A 75 year old today is way more capable of working than a 65 year old was in 1935 on average. And we are exactly pulling plows with a mule or bending steel with a hammer and anvil anymore.

And man we need to fix immigration. This country was built on ambitious hard working freedom seeking mother17ers risking life and limb to cross an ocean to come make something for themselves instead of living in a place where who your daddy was means more than the grit in your stomach. Looking around today, the generations have taken that grit out of most of our stomach and we are wimps that run from physical labor like it's an unmasked baby coughing in the self checkout line at Target.
Tariffs can also disincentivize companies from moving to mexico or other for cheaper labor. If you make it cost neutral or even close, then businesses are more likely to keep manufacturing (jobs, taxes, etc) in the States.
 
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Tariffs can also disincentivize companies from moving to mexico or other for cheaper labor. If you make it cost neutral or even close, then businesses are more likely to keep manufacturing (jobs, taxes, etc) in the States.
I have a simple solution and DS is not going to like it. Add tarrifs to TVs. They are too 17’ing cheap. Apparently inflation does not affect them. I was in Walmart the other day and there is a 98” Tv for $800. Several 60” TVs for $300. How are 60” Tvs as cheap as a weeks worth of groceries. For comparison I looked back at a Circuit City ad from 2004. A 36 inch TV was $2400. TV Tarriffs!!! McDawg22 2028.
 

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Question for those of you that follow this stuff more closely than I do

What is driving the GOP’s sudden push for this? My guess has been that the left’s recent push to cancel loan debt has fanned the flames, but maybe this is something that’s on the agenda for a long time, and I didn’t realize it
It isn't sudden at all.
 

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Not sure I would bet against Vivek and Elon. Those 2 are gonna do some real big thangs! Elon just downsized Twitter and now runs it with one-tenth of the personnel. The DOE is not needed at all. Let the states run their own education at local levels.
Reports I have seen show...

Twitter staff around 7400 when Musk took over and now at 2850.
So a 60% reduction in staff.

Twitter value at $44 billion when Musk bought it and now at $9.4 billion.
So a 78% reduction in value.


^ the valuation is based on a Fidelity analysis of its own investment in Twitter/X. It is not politically biased because Fidelity is valuing it's position of its money.

So to recap, Musk is employing 40% of the staff to run a company that's worth 20% of what it used to be worth.
Is that really what you want to lift up to support your point?

...if my numbers are wrong, I welcome you to provide cited numbers.
 

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Not sure I would bet against Vivek and Elon. Those 2 are gonna do some real big thangs! Elon just downsized Twitter and now runs it with one-tenth of the personnel. The DOE is not needed at all. Let the states run their own education at local levels.
Twitter x has more bots than ever. Perhaps he should hire a few back. He also monetized the blue check mark so now anyone can get one so there is no real verification for real accounts. I appreciate he is supposedly not censoring but he could do a lot better by bringing some staff back. Typical ceo billionaire though, cut working staff people more profit for themselves and make the employees that remain work more for less and more problems. I used to see this all the time when I used to work retail. Customers complain no workers on the floor, store a mess, but it was all about profit for corporate and less overhead so they made more bonuses. I like Elon but let's not get it twisted, how is he going to benefit with his government contracts from his involvement? I think he is reasonable on some things but others he and Vivek are not. They Often don't understand a lot of things exist by law and you would have to go through Congress and take years to change them. I can recall trump wanting to change up agencies his last time around but didn't understand you just can't change up many of them without changing the laws through Congress.
 

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Tariffs can also disincentivize companies from moving to mexico or other for cheaper labor. If you make it cost neutral or even close, then businesses are more likely to keep manufacturing (jobs, taxes, etc) in the States.
Absolutely. Tariffs will do this and sometimes it makes sense. But tariffs need to be thought out in a way where it applies to certain products, supply chains, or industries that makes sense - particularly supply chains that can impact national security. Not everything needs to be made here.

Sledge hammer tariffs with no plan is going to nail everyone hard and raise the cost of everything at once. That's insanity coming off our 2020 - 2023 inflation hangover. Nobody has the patience or appetite to make COL even higher and isolate ourselves from the global supply chain.
 

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Tariffs can also disincentivize companies from moving to mexico or other for cheaper labor. If you make it cost neutral or even close, then businesses are more likely to keep manufacturing (jobs, taxes, etc) in the States.
How much are you personally willing to pay to make it happen? Make no mistake, YOU will pay for it.
 
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Not sure I would bet against Vivek and Elon. Those 2 are gonna do some real big thangs! Elon just downsized Twitter and now runs it with one-tenth of the personnel. The DOE is not needed at all. Let the states run their own education at local levels.
Yeah he downsized Twitter all right, in just about every way you can think of, including revenue and value.
 

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Reports I have seen show...

Twitter staff around 7400 when Musk took over and now at 2850.
So a 60% reduction in staff.

Twitter value at $44 billion when Musk bought it and now at $9.4 billion.
So a 78% reduction in value.


^ the valuation is based on a Fidelity analysis of its own investment in Twitter/X. It is not politically biased because Fidelity is valuing it's position of its money.

So to recap, Musk is employing 40% of the staff to run a company that's worth 20% of what it used to be worth.
Is that really what you want to lift up to support your point?

...if my numbers are wrong, I welcome you to provide cited numbers.

2 points

1. twitter was massively overvalued when musk made the offer. That's why after he got some actual data he tried to pull out. They forced the sale anyway. That's on him for getting ripped off.

2. let's see how the legal fight ends over the coordinated boycott by advertisers when musk bought twitter. Without that boycott the current value would be higher.

He'd still be underwater but the numbers would be closer.
 
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How were they weaponized against certain groups?
I do my taxes. Even so, if the taxes are too complicated it isn’t because of the IRS. They don’t make the tax codes, Congress does.
The point is that’s why we say the irs should be slashed
Simplify the tax code
Get rid of unneeded government fat

then rinse and repeat for every agency and department
 

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Yep.

We are currently running a 27% deficit. Wed have to cut $1.8 trillion from our deficit to balance the budget. Cutting that in less than 10 years would likely trigger a massive recession.

Tarrifs sound good on paper to raise money, but there are 2 problems.

1. Every dollar you make me pay in a tarrifs I'm passing the vast majority on to my customer, aka the US consumer. It's just a tax on the consumer which will disproportionately affect middle to lower income workers since a higher percentage of their income is spent on goods vs services.

2. You have to expect foreign nations to match if not exceed your tarrifs. This will be passed on to US companies in the same manor as foreign companies are "punished" in our tarrifs. US companies will also pass as much as possible on to its customers, but will absorb some costs as well that will affect profits and inevitably force job cuts.

I would assume it's going to be harder for US companies to pass on tarrifs because we are almost entirely exporting commodities and luxury items which are both price sensitive vs the cheap Chinese shìt we import like Christmas ornaments and corn on the Cobb holders that are not price sensitive. Brazilian farmers and German automakers will steal market share from American exports.

But even if it's balanced, the net effect of a tariff war is you only win based on the amount of your trade deficit since the import and export tarrifs effectively offset each other. So all that work for let's say 30% in tarrifs is going to be a gain on our deficit which currently sits around $70 billion a year. We are almost better off with an export tax on select US goods that can pass on the costs instead of facing a tariff war where other countries will try to screw us by putting their tariffs on items that can't handle them.


We won't gain any jobs from iteither because we don't have any 17ing workers. Everyone is too old or too lazy to work. Which is our real problem.

So 17 tarrifs. The only solutions we have at this point to get to a balanced budget are entitlement reform and fixing corporate and individual tax loopholes. I fear way too many special interests will lobby Congress to block the loophole reform and nobody will ever get elected again by touching Social Security, Medicare, and Welfare. But that's where the deficit is, it's where it's always been. Clinton balanced the budget because today's mass hoards of retired old farts were at peak earnings 30 years ago and the lazy àsses of America hadn't figured out how to milk the system yet.

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My theory is this. The only long term solution left is fixing Washington to eliminate career politicians. 87% of America agrees on term limits. So let's actually 17ing put them in for once.

Here's my fix.

Extend terms to 4 or 6 years for the house and put a cap on everything to less than 20 years with 8 additional if you become president. You cannot leverage your political service into becoming a lobbyist, consultant, or work for a foreign entity when you are done. Now that we kneecapped the snakes and geriatric mooches maybe we have enough people not worried about getting reelected to get tough legislation passed.

Social Security not starting until 70-75 is a start. Yeah it sucks, but when 65 was chosen in 1935 our average lifespan was 62. Now we are at 77-1/2. A 75 year old today is way more capable of working than a 65 year old was in 1935 on average. And we are exactly pulling plows with a mule or bending steel with a hammer and anvil anymore.

And man we need to fix immigration. This country was built on ambitious hard working freedom seeking mother17ers risking life and limb to cross an ocean to come make something for themselves instead of living in a place where who your daddy was means more than the grit in your stomach. Looking around today, the generations have taken that grit out of most of our stomach and we are wimps that run from physical labor like it's an unmasked baby coughing in the self checkout line at Target.
We won't fix anything until we don't have a choice and it's going to be 17ing painful for us and for the rest of the world.

If we wanted to fix it or at least kick the can down the road, we'd
- tie SS Cola to Chained CPI
- Tax 100% of SS benefits. It's ridiculous to give it preferential tax rates just because they are old without respect to how much money they make.
- Dump a bunch of money into funding residencies and medschool spots and then incentivize getting rid of CON and allowing NPs and PAs through medicare/medicaid reimbursement rates.
- finish phasing out any Salt deduction. You're already screwing married people with it, just get rid of it. Also close the loophole that allows people to have their LLC pay individual taxes in order to get around the SALT cap. That was a giveaway by the IRS to allow that anyway as it was not required by law.
- Phase out QBI. That was a scam also that was only politically possible because people don't understand income taxes and enough legislators were going to benefit from it.
- Cut what waste and abuse we could find, and cap all other spending at current levels until the deficit is eliminated. This would probably trigger a slowdown and cuase the fed to reduce interest rates, and with how high our debt is, the reduction in interest rates will help further cut the deficit provided we don't have a full blown recession.
- We could make it a lot less painful by doing permitting reform and also stopping the Corps and EPA from regulating non-navigable, non-interstate waters.
 
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I have a simple solution and DS is not going to like it. Add tarrifs to TVs. They are too 17’ing cheap. Apparently inflation does not affect them. I was in Walmart the other day and there is a 98” Tv for $800. Several 60” TVs for $300. How are 60” Tvs as cheap as a weeks worth of groceries. For comparison I looked back at a Circuit City ad from 2004. A 36 inch TV was $2400. TV Tarriffs!!! McDawg22 2028.
I remember the first flat screen tv that showed up at sam's club back in the day. It was 32" or 35" and cost $15k. Now they are virtually disposable.
 

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Not sure I would bet against Vivek and Elon. Those 2 are gonna do some real big thangs! Elon just downsized Twitter and now runs it with one-tenth of the personnel. The DOE is not needed at all. Let the states run their own education at local levels.
I hope the independent Elon office comes up with some creative ways of leaning up DC. I really do. But I know where this is headed. Elon has hitched himself to the Trump wagon and is going to linger too long and bump heads with Trump. Those are two incompatible egos for a long term marriage. Trump will toss him out with the garbage as soon as he feels people pay Elon more attention than to himself or Elon questions him once too often publicly. Then you'll have Elon trying to convince the twitter users they Trump is a psychopath and Trump doing the same. They both had rabid fan bases with loads of overlap too. It'll be an insane breakup.
 
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Absolutely. Tariffs will do this and sometimes it makes sense. But tariffs need to be thought out in a way where it applies to certain products, supply chains, or industries that makes sense - particularly supply chains that can impact national security. Not everything needs to be made here.

Sledge hammer tariffs with no plan is going to nail everyone hard and raise the cost of everything at once. That's insanity coming off our 2020 - 2023 inflation hangover. Nobody has the patience or appetite to make COL even higher and isolate ourselves from the global supply chain.
His statements make it sound like a blanket tariff but the things I've read have indicated a much more targeted tariff program. I guess we'll find out when it actually happens which way it will go. And, they (all of the theys) are already putting tariffs on our stuff. In some cases, we need to raise our tariffs to balance the trade.

If I had to guess, the auto related industries will be a main target. 300K+ jobs have moved US to mexico since NAFTA origins.
 
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I remember the first flat screen tv that showed up at sam's club back in the day. It was 32" or 35" and cost $15k. Now they are virtually disposable.
Same but I was walking through Sears. Has there ever been a more precipitous fall in the price of something than flat screen TV's? Seems within a couple of years they were under 1000, then 500 all while the size got bigger and bigger. Last 50inch I bought for outside was 244 all in.
 

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Yep.

We are currently running a 27% deficit. Wed have to cut $1.8 trillion from our deficit to balance the budget. Cutting that in less than 10 years would likely trigger a massive recession.

Tarrifs sound good on paper to raise money, but there are 2 problems.

1. Every dollar you make me pay in a tarrifs I'm passing the vast majority on to my customer, aka the US consumer. It's just a tax on the consumer which will disproportionately affect middle to lower income workers since a higher percentage of their income is spent on goods vs services.

2. You have to expect foreign nations to match if not exceed your tarrifs. This will be passed on to US companies in the same manor as foreign companies are "punished" in our tarrifs. US companies will also pass as much as possible on to its customers, but will absorb some costs as well that will affect profits and inevitably force job cuts.

I would assume it's going to be harder for US companies to pass on tarrifs because we are almost entirely exporting commodities and luxury items which are both price sensitive vs the cheap Chinese shìt we import like Christmas ornaments and corn on the Cobb holders that are not price sensitive. Brazilian farmers and German automakers will steal market share from American exports.

But even if it's balanced, the net effect of a tariff war is you only win based on the amount of your trade deficit since the import and export tarrifs effectively offset each other. So all that work for let's say 30% in tarrifs is going to be a gain on our deficit which currently sits around $70 billion a year. We are almost better off with an export tax on select US goods that can pass on the costs instead of facing a tariff war where other countries will try to screw us by putting their tariffs on items that can't handle them.


We won't gain any jobs from iteither because we don't have any 17ing workers. Everyone is too old or too lazy to work. Which is our real problem.

So 17 tarrifs. The only solutions we have at this point to get to a balanced budget are entitlement reform and fixing corporate and individual tax loopholes. I fear way too many special interests will lobby Congress to block the loophole reform and nobody will ever get elected again by touching Social Security, Medicare, and Welfare. But that's where the deficit is, it's where it's always been. Clinton balanced the budget because today's mass hoards of retired old farts were at peak earnings 30 years ago and the lazy àsses of America hadn't figured out how to milk the system yet.

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My theory is this. The only long term solution left is fixing Washington to eliminate career politicians. 87% of America agrees on term limits. So let's actually 17ing put them in for once.

Here's my fix.

Extend terms to 4 or 6 years for the house and put a cap on everything to less than 20 years with 8 additional if you become president. You cannot leverage your political service into becoming a lobbyist, consultant, or work for a foreign entity when you are done. Now that we kneecapped the snakes and geriatric mooches maybe we have enough people not worried about getting reelected to get tough legislation passed.

Social Security not starting until 70-75 is a start. Yeah it sucks, but when 65 was chosen in 1935 our average lifespan was 62. Now we are at 77-1/2. A 75 year old today is way more capable of working than a 65 year old was in 1935 on average. And we are exactly pulling plows with a mule or bending steel with a hammer and anvil anymore.

And man we need to fix immigration. This country was built on ambitious hard working freedom seeking mother17ers risking life and limb to cross an ocean to come make something for themselves instead of living in a place where who your daddy was means more than the grit in your stomach. Looking around today, the generations have taken that grit out of most of our stomach and we are wimps that run from physical labor like it's an unmasked baby coughing in the self checkout line at Target.
You realize what you just admitted? No one should ever get their paid up social security while they are alive. That is why we want to make social security private investment. Earning interest. So we can actually stop working at a reasonable age and still have an income to live on.
 

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The point is that’s why we say the irs should be slashed
Simplify the tax code
Get rid of unneeded government fat

then rinse and repeat for every agency and department
I don’t disagree with the idea of simplifying the tax code but you can’t slash the IRS then simplify the tax code, it has to be the other way around. Otherwise you have Walmart with one cashier and a line to the back of the store in April or just people walk out without paying and hope they don’t get caught. To that point when the 80,000 IRS agent thing came out **** hit the fan, but a CPA friend of mine who is very much a Republican told us in a group chat years ago that the agency was losing a huge amount of their workforce due to retirement. They knew they were going to have to backfill those positions. We all hate them, but CPA’s rely on them to do their jobs. Which brings up another point. When you simplify the tax code not only would the IRS agents be laid off, 700,000 CPAs may be as well. I’m not saying that is justification for not doing it. I’m just saying there are ramifications.
 

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His statements make it sound like a blanket tariff but the things I've read have indicated a much more targeted tariff program. I guess we'll find out when it actually happens which way it will go. And, they (all of the theys) are already putting tariffs on our stuff. In some cases, we need to raise our tariffs to balance the trade.

If I had to guess, the auto related industries will be a main target. 300K+ jobs have moved US to mexico since NAFTA origins.
Fair. If there's one thing predictable about Trump it's that he's unpredictable and bombastic. Reality often isn't how he sells it.

If we start with autos and keep it there we will quickly see how well it works and how the public reacts to it. Domestic manufactured cars will rise in price due to the supply chain input costs rising and less competition in the maket with priced out Mexican supply. Used cars increasing as a result as well. Not a daily purchase but something that most everyone is very very sensitive to. I think the public will **** their pants on this one if I were to wager.
 

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You realize what you just admitted? No one should ever get their paid up social security while they are alive. That is why we want to make social security private investment. Earning interest. So we can actually stop working at a reasonable age and still have an income to live on.
That's all good and well, but if you tried that now, all the people that have been paying social security taxes for years and promising themselves that future taxpayers would support them in retirement would go apoplectic. And I don't completely blame them, although I do completely blame them for resisting any equitable fix to social security.

The reality is that younger generations were 17ed by older generations, and rather than addressing that fact and fixing it, everybody insists on ignoring reality if doing so would mean they would have to share an ounce of the burden of that 17ing.
 
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You realize what you just admitted? No one should ever get their paid up social security while they are alive. That is why we want to make social security private investment. Earning interest. So we can actually stop working at a reasonable age and still have an income to live on.
When you say private investment, are you saying the money has to be put to savings or the employee has complete control of how much or even if they save?
 

mstateglfr

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2 points

1. twitter was massively overvalued when musk made the offer. That's why after he got some actual data he tried to pull out. They forced the sale anyway. That's on him for getting ripped off.
2. let's see how the legal fight ends over the coordinated boycott by advertisers when musk bought twitter. Without that boycott the current value would be higher.
He'd still be underwater but the numbers would be closer.
- Yeah, Twitter was probably overvalued. But in very simple yet very real and accurate terms, something is worth what someone will pay for it. So then Twitter was worth $44Billion because Musk was willing to pay $44Billion.
^ this isnt some weak attempt by me to justify how much value has been lost. Its no different from BTC value, or DJT value, or AZN value(back in the early/mid 00s). All those are examples of value well outpacing any justifiable reason for the value...yet in the end, they are worth those high amounts.

- Yeah a sale was forced because its legally what needed to happen. Agree with you that its on Musk for being ripped off. Ill take that a step further though and ask what should be the obvious question- why is someone who gets ripped off that badly a good person to create and runa Government Efficiency Department?

- Advertisers can choose to advertise or not advertise on platforms/sites/stations/shows/networks. There is no legal justification to force advertisers to pay a company money and advertise on that company's platform/site/station/show/network. The purpose of GARM must absolutely be respected by courts. Companies must absolutely be allowed to pick and choose who/where/how they spend marketing dollars.
It is as simple as that.
 

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That's all good and well, but if you tried that now, all the people that have been paying social security taxes for years and promising themselves that future taxpayers would support them in retirement would go apoplectic. And I don't completely blame them, although I do completely blame them for resisting any equitable fix to social security.

The reality is that younger generations were 17ed by older generations, and rather than addressing that fact and fixing it, everybody insists on ignoring reality if doing so would mean they would have to share an ounce of the burden of that 17ing.
This is my case study for why we need term limits - at least in the House. I understand the downsides to term limits but making a career out of being a representative has created a system afraid to say no so they may continue to be reelected.

Make that job available for only 4-8 years and they will be more likely make necessary decisions that might get their asses kicked out of office. We signed up for a republic so they would make tough decisions despite the masses saying "keep it, but don't fund it". Adults have to draw a line in the sand at some point and fund or kill it (or a little of both) and deal with the aftermath. We did this to ourselves and the reps sat there and watched it so they could keep their job. It's a shame so many of them are now dead so they don't have to deal with the mess they helped create.
 
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How much are you personally willing to pay to make it happen? Make no mistake, YOU will pay for it.
100% correct. From a guy that’s spent his 20 year career in manufacturing, trust me when I say there is no plan involving an increase in US labor and supplied goods that doesn’t end in increased prices. Hugely increased prices
 
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The deficit is always going to be a running joke. Just how out of hand it is, is proof it don’t matter. If it did, things would actually happen to owe that much basically anywhere.

It is pure perspective & interruption. This is because our government works & serves the people, the agencies that work anyway lol. Yes, this means they are going to have to spend, spend, spend. None of theses politicians should never make any money but that just isn’t how it works. It is the same reason our tax law books are massively thick, there is no reason for it. Yet, it is that way because if you navigate it well, they have given you a way in this country to not pay your fair share. It is designed this way intentionally.
 

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This is my case study for why we need term limits - at least in the House. I understand the downsides to term limits but making a career out of being a representative has created a system afraid to say no so they may continue to be reelected.

Make that job available for only 4-8 years and they will be more likely make necessary decisions that might get their asses kicked out of office. We signed up for a republic so they would make tough decisions despite the masses saying "keep it, but don't fund it". Adults have to draw a line in the sand at some point and fund or kill it (or a little of both) and deal with the aftermath. We did this to ourselves and the reps sat there and watched it so they could keep their job. It's a shame so many of them are now dead so they don't have to deal with the mess they helped create.
My case study for term limits in Congress is this guy-
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He is 91 years old, he is the longest currently serving member of Congress with almost half a century, and he will be 95 years old when his current term is up.
Are you 17ing kidding me?!?!
To be very clear, I dont have an issue with his half century in office because he is a Republican- its because qualified people with different viewpoints and approaches will help push the country more than Grassley or anyone else that is 91 and has served for over half a century.
Grassley straight up doesnt understand a ton of things that the US is facing right now and will face in the coming years. His staff can help him along all they want, but instead we need Congress members to actually understand issues.

Reducing how long anyone can hold legislative power and political power can be a very good thing.


Funny timing on my Grassley rant- local Reddit celebrated the 10 year anniversary of this very real tweet from Grassley.
No Grassley, I dont know what. Why dont you tell us what?
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mcdawg22

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My case study for term limits in Congress is this guy-
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He is 91 years old, he is the longest currently serving member of Congress with almost half a century, and he will be 95 years old when his current term is up.
Are you 17ing kidding me?!?!
To be very clear, I dont have an issue with his half century in office because he is a Republican- its because qualified people with different viewpoints and approaches will help push the country more than Grassley or anyone else that is 91 and has served for over half a century.
Grassley straight up doesnt understand a ton of things that the US is facing right now and will face in the coming years. His staff can help him along all they want, but instead we need Congress members to actually understand issues.

Reducing how long anyone can hold legislative power and political power can be a very good thing.


Funny timing on my Grassley rant- local Reddit celebrated the 10 year anniversary of this very real tweet from Grassley.
No Grassley, I dont know what. Why dont you tell us what?
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Yeah I was so happy when Net Neutrality was being discussed that the people making the decisions how to handle it were the same people that have to get their grandkids to show them how to log into Facebook.
 

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You realize what you just admitted? No one should ever get their paid up social security while they are alive. That is why we want to make social security private investment. Earning interest. So we can actually stop working at a reasonable age and still have an income to live on.
This reads as if I am a fan of social security and big government. I most certainly am not. I'd eliminate all entitlements overnight if I had a magic wand and I'd ship 75% of federal government responsibilities back to the state and local level.. Unfortunately I don't have said wand and the closest real solution we will have is raising the retirement age on entitlements.

The original intention of Medicare and Social Security was not to provide an income stream and medical care for the populace to enjoy our grandchildren and travel during our golden years. Its a security blanket for those who become too sick or to old to work anymore through no fault of their own. Instead it's become something we can't possibly sustain in its current form.

Put me at the top of the list for waiting until we are 75 and turning the IRS into a social security and Medicare fraud investigation force.
 

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It is unfortunate that you think people should be allowed to not pay taxes. To be clear, that is exactly what your comments meit is unfortunate that you think people should be allowed to not pay taxes. To be clear, that is exactly what your comments mean.
It is unfortunate that believe you know what I think as opposed to not knowing what I said.

I never once said people should be allowed to not pay taxes.

My comments were in regards to the remarkably high level of diligence displayed by IRS employees in collecting those taxes. If employees in other departments of government were as diligent as those in the IRS we wouldn’t need the newly proposed Department of Government Efficiency favored by our 47th President and to be headed by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. We certainly don’t need another 80,000+ IRS agents.
 
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