Coach Franklin? Texas A&M on line one…
OK- So tell me who you're going to hire
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Coach Franklin? Texas A&M on line one…
A possibility, but I'm not sure they're going to make the same mistake twice.
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Hey Don Quixote, stop dreaming the impossible dream.
When you look at who’s won national titles in the last 10 years, you have one coach who was established and two coaches who had never been head coaches before. That’s a starting point to any discussion that’s going to be had. Dabo was a receivers coach at Alabama and had never been a head coach. Kirby Smart was the defensive coordinator at Alabama and had never been a head coach. Saban is, of course, Saban.
You can even look at the most recent high profile hire, Lincoln Riley as USC. Not only had Riley not turned them into a national title contender (with a Heisman winning QB), but the recent buzz coming out of LA is that he's looking around to make sure he knows where all the exits are.
Do anyone have the answer? Of course we don’t. But than again, that’s not the point of the question is it? The point of the question to is to, once again, try and make Penn State fans grateful for what they have instead of pining for something better.
And that’s fine. Like I’ve been saying, 10-2 isn’t a horrible outcome. But if you’re comfortable with that outcome, you should be able to say that you’re comfortable with that outcome. You can’t embrace a coach who’s proven that he’s incapable of consistently competing with the elite teams in the sport while still hoping for national titles. That’s madness.
Penn State can win national titles. If Clemson can, Penn State can. It might require a major risk. But no risk, no reward.
You can even look at the most recent high profile hire, Lincoln Riley as USC. Not only had Riley not turned them into a national title contender (with a Heisman winning QB), but the recent buzz coming out of LA is that he's looking around to make sure he knows where all the exits are.
Do anyone have the answer? Of course we don’t. But than again, that’s not the point of the question is it? The point of the question to is to, once again, try and make Penn State fans grateful for what they have instead of pining for something better.
And that’s fine. Like I’ve been saying, 10-2 isn’t a horrible outcome. But if you’re comfortable with that outcome, you should be able to say that you’re comfortable with that outcome. You can’t embrace a coach who’s proven that he’s incapable of consistently competing with the elite teams in the sport while still hoping for national titles. That’s madness.
Penn State can win national titles. If Clemson can, Penn State can. It might require a major risk. But no risk, no reward.
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With his record in big games WHO ! Would want him
little game James …. Will always be a bridesmaid never a bride
Hire Manny Diaz, who went 21 - 15 at three seasons in Miami and got his program into the top 15 one time.
Have to have the horses. Ask Saban what a difference the talent at LSU and Bama made for him….
About 75 teams in college football. If the recent rumors of LA are true, Penn State might not have to make a choice about retaining Coach Franklin.
It seems as though they wanted him once. If Riley is looking to package himself with Williams next year, it makes a certain amount of sense that Southern Cal would have interest again. Kalen DeBoer would probably have been a better fit, but UW snagged him.
Williams may not be worth all this. I hadn’t heard Riley was looking to be part of the deal and if the case I would pass. Franklin would probably do well at USC initially, and if they were staying in the PAC 12 it was the best place to be for a shot at the CFP. But, not sure USC is or can be built for B1G play. I think Riley will get there if he stays - USC was a mess when he got there and they exceeded expectations in year one. Still has a lot of work to do on the D.
Yes especially post Pellini Nebraska. How did that work out and they still haven’t recovered. Plus we have a 700 million plus stadium redo on tap. Yeah let’s change head coaches and go into a gopher hole somewhere with possible 6-7 loss seasons while a new staff gets established.
There are probably less than a dozen college programs that would/could even entertain the notion of offering enough $$$ to entice CJF to leave his deal at PSU.
Would any of them actually want to get into that market? Who knows?
Teams that have done contracts in the past that are high enough to play in that market:
Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, USC, Michigan, OSU, Clemson, Tennessee, maybe Texas or Oklahoma (though they haven't gone that high in the past)
Thats pretty much it - may have missed one or two.
How many of them are not already tapped in pretty deeply with their current coach? If they become "untapped" would CJF be at the top of their list?
I don’t think he’s worth it all. And some of the noise might be because they’ve lost two straight games. Before this, all I’d ever heard was that Riley was happy as a clam in LA. So I don’t know how seriously I’m taking these rumors.
The question wasn’t who could afford him. It was who would want him given his record against Top 10/ranked teams.
The answer remains about 75-80 schools would take him in a heartbeat. How many of those are Power 5?
. Probably more than you would think.Now if the discussion is would Ole Miss drop Lane Kiffin or would Florida drop Billy Napier, that’s something different.
True. No doubt, WRT "Would they take him" if $$$ were not part of the equation.The question wasn’t who could afford him. It was who would want him given his record against Top 10/ranked teams.
The answer remains about 75-80 schools would take him in a heartbeat. How many of those are Power 5?
Now if the discussion is would Ole Miss drop Lane Kiffin or would Florida drop Billy Napier, that’s something different.
But while Arkansas State may welcome him with open arms - at the $1 M per year (or whatever they are able to pay), as would any number of lower profile schools (including any number of lower end P5 programs) it does become rather moot as far as the second side of the arrangement is concerned.
The larger point is that I’m willing to concede that James Franklin is a good coach within a certain context. That’s never been my sticking point with him.
I look at James Franklin as a coach who’s probably best built to succeed at a smaller profile program. If you view Penn State as a “blue blood” than he needs to make some pretty significant changes. He needs better staff. He needs to expand his recruiting reach. He needs to start winning more recruitments against the other blue blood programs.
Penn State isn’t Nebraska with limited footprint and limited ability to generate NIL impact. Penn State can recruit a consistent Top 10 class by winning the local recruitments and than be willing and able to go into Texas, California, and Florida and win there like other blue bloods do.
But he’s also been on the job 10 years and has shown limited ability to do that. Can he still make that leap? Maybe.
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USC knew getting Addison was the difference maker, as in this year things are a bit different without him. Penn State needs an Addison, moving forward .
The rumors of SC having interest in Franklin were largely unfounded.
Williams's next destination is the NFL, so I don't see Riley being part of a package.
As for Kalen DeBoer, Jen Cohen, USC's current AD, hired him at UDub, so it might be in the realm of possibility. He'd be a damned site cheaper than Franklin.
If Riley is looking to make his next career move, DeBoer is one of the better choices. He knows the area recruiting wise, runs a dynamic offense, and has proven that he’s a winner at Fresno State and now at Washington.
This, however, is all assuming that Riley leaves. I’m more of the mind that it’s simple frustrations from both the coach and the fan base.
I guess we’ll see.
Doubt that Riley is fired after this season (that doubt just increased the possibility of it happening). Yes, there is grumbling among the wealthy alums, but everyone realizes that USC can't afford to have two HCs on the payroll at the same time. On the other side, can;t see him making an exit to a job that pays more than he's getting now.
Just as there is less than 5% chance Franklin gets fired, there's probably an even smaller chance Riley get fired.
Most USC fans who don't own their own yachts understood that the rebuild was going to take several seasons. Their recruiting had been abysmal (for Power 5 standards) under Helton. They are more than a little concerned that their '24 class is so lowly ranked and that they don't have anyone committed for '25.
They also knew that it was going to take Riley and his staff a few years to establish the relationships with the coaches in California that had been damaged by the Helton years.
As far as him leaving for the NFL. Your guess is as good as mine. I think that eventually does try his hand at the NFL, I just don't know when.
Mark Richt is a strong parallel to Big Game James. He was a B+ coach for UGA and apparently a really good dude. They eventually wanted more, cut him loose, and hired Kirby Smart. That obviously has turned out great for them
Smart played at UGA and was an assistant for Saban. Maybe that's the roadmap -- find someone who is very invested in Penn State as an alum and that has served under a top shelf coach (or more)
Therefore the logical hire is...
Smart played at UGA and was an assistant for Saban. Maybe that's the roadmap -- find someone who is very invested in Penn State as an alum and that has served under a top shelf coach (or more)
Therefore the logical hire is...
Has the Joe Brady hype train died? I think he's going to get a shot one of these days; maybe will be ready by 2031.....
So as to not risk his $10 million/year compensation I fully expect some staff changes at season's end. You have to think Hagans and Trautwein might be sacrificed by Franklin to give the appearance of corrective change on the offense. Diaz is probably going to get a coaching opportunity elsewhere so Franklin might have 3+ asst coaching vacancies to fill.
That would incredibly stupid. One reason the Wr room is in the shape it is is because of constant turnover of the Wr coach.
And unless they are hiring the Michy OL coach after their staff is fired that’s not happening either.
Yea your'e right I wasn't even thinking of MY. This is EXACTLY why I was comparing these "twits" (your'e words
) to Nolan's Joker. They are chasing cars and don't know what to if they catch them. They just want to watch things burn.Sure lets get rid of MY too, screw the falling dominoes of Drew, Beau and the incoming Grunk.
Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya …. PSU will be fine
I'm sure a lot of teams would love to have him but not at his current salary.
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